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BakersfieldSuperman - > mitt -> A Question for those who have liberal views
A Question for those who have liberal views

I'm curious if John McCain came to Bakersfield or the surrounding area and had a town hall meeting would you go to listen and hear his case?

Would you take part and ask him a question?

Would you consider voting for him?

Or do you think Liberals would go to just disrupt the event?

I'm am not Liberal that's for sure, but I went to a Hillary event at CSUB and I didn't disrupt anything but when Q & A came they didn't take questions and I really wanted to ask some. One of the 5 speakers (only two of which were American, it was the ugly Betty event)

Anyways the guy wearing a cast on his arm said it cost 30000 dollars to get his arm taken care of, I'm sure he meant 3000 but even that is ridiculous and he said how the Health care system in Britain and ...well anyway I wanted to ask questions is the point.... 

I'm just curious what would you do? would you go like me to listen and hear the case or would you just disrupt it?

 

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posted by BakersfieldSuperman on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 at 02:46 PM
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posted by witbee on Mar 26, 2008 at 02:51 PM

 Wouldn't go. He is a typical politician, so you can't trust what he says 100% anyway.

Won't vote for him, either. Unless he gets the right running mate.

posted by BakersfieldSuperman on Mar 26, 2008 at 02:58 PM

 Witbee who is that running mate if you don't mind me asking? and really you wouldn't even go? interesting. Its a chance for you to see a politician not just hear about it through someone elses view..hmm..

posted by witbee on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:02 PM

 Meh, you can see video of him all over the 'net.

Running mates: Fred Thompson, Colin Powell, Condi Rice, Newt Gingrich

posted by BakersfieldSuperman on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:09 PM

 lol which one? Newt is out, along with thompson...but who is the one you personally want?

posted by montfred on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:18 PM

 I'd be their, and if he happened to look my way, I'd snap to attention and salute him, once Navy - always Navy, and Senator McCain naval honors include the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.  I really started to hate Karl Rove for his smear campaign against McCain in 2000.

Then I'd video tape everything he say's, and remain very respectful (edit:unless Kevin McCarthy was near me).  I plan to do everything I can, to help him remain in the U.S. Senate.

posted by sagefever on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:23 PM

I would go and I am always respectful~ even with those I disagree. 

signed, a fact hating lefty liberal loon ;-)

posted by catpaw on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:30 PM

 First question that comes to my mind is what does he plan to do that is different from George Bush? Where do he and George differ? That may be too general of a question, or maybe take too long to answer, but one I'd like to hear him comment on. As for going in person, no way. Too mobbed and unlikely I'd be asked anything. I would watch him on live tv, even submit a question by phone or e-mail if given that option.

posted by adampayne on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:36 PM

 I'd love to go to any honest event where a candidate has the opportunity to express his views and articulate his positions. The problem for me is that too many people are no longer civil at these types of events. Partisanship has meant that zealots from both sides descend and disrupt thoughtful discussion with outbursts trumpeting their outlook of one of their favored issues or complaints. This boorish behavior has caused candidates or government officials appearances to be strictly monitored with invitation only tickets. These events have become strictly speaking to the choir appearances with everything scripted and programmed. I'm sick of these types of gatherings.

The Bush Administration has been the absolute worst. Bush and Cheney only speak to military audiences, or exclusive high rollers at RNC gathrings. This Administration is truly afraid of the American public. This Administration's every  public appearance has all the spontaneity of a funeral, and has set back personal dialog with the public to the ancient days of barbarism. 

I would relish asking McCain how he can run as a Republican when so many Republican audiences he spoke to at the debates during the primary selection process were so opposed to his views on torture and Guantanamo Bay.

posted by Roysan on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:37 PM

 If you want to think about our future, McCain should select Dr. Rice.  She would be a shoe in in 2012 or 2016 if she were McCain's VP.

posted by Bakersfieldblogger on Mar 26, 2008 at 03:59 PM

 If McCain came to Bakersfield himself he would probably be able to draw in quite a few of the more liberal members of the commuity. A celebrity or representitive for McCain (like Ugly Betty for Clinton) would likely be a much smaller group.

posted by BakersfieldSuperman on Mar 26, 2008 at 04:23 PM

signed, a fact hating lefty liberal loon

- sage fever

 

lol thats awesome

I also like the trem "fact fearing" I should, no I am going to post something with that title

posted by sagefever on Mar 26, 2008 at 04:51 PM

*smiles* it was slightly ironic...

I agree with Adam.On both sides far too many times the zealots show up and ruin any attempt at honest discussion. It is really hard ,personally ,for me to forget being called names.But as I expect better of others ,I am called to behave better. 

posted by randomfactor on Mar 26, 2008 at 07:02 PM

I would go, take a video camera.  He could easily do something stupid again, and it would be good to get it on camera.

Vote for the guy?  Absolutely not. 

But he *DID* just call Shrub "a fool or a fraud."  I think he's trying to break away from his boyfriend.  Too late.  We've got pictures.

posted by Maggiepoo on Mar 27, 2008 at 09:26 AM

 Big Mac's Blazing Saddle Diplomacy

 

 

 

John McCain went before the Los Angeles World Affairs Council yesterday morning to showcase his foreign policy credentials and convince Americans that he is the only candidate experienced enough to take that 3am telephone call. While Clinton and Obama are distracted by a pre-Pennsylvania primary food fight, McCain's address constituted a dress rehearsal for a future national security agenda that, at its very core, resembles nothing more than discredited cowboy diplomacy. It is essentially fermented old failed warrior wine in new bottles...camouflaged unilateralism gussied up in a Potemkin village of storefront global engagement.

Democrats should not ignore the content of McCain's speech while our internal bout continues, or remain passive at the free ride McCain will enjoy from a fawning media lauding the speech's "presidential" character and its perceived break with Bush/Cheney/Rice foreign policy catastrophes. To remain impervious to McCain's attempted act at presidential statesmanship risks cementing in the minds of voters a dangerous perception that McCain will chart a new, more responsible and appealing foreign policy course that represents a break with neoconservatism orthodoxy.

Caveat Emptor: read between the lines!

First and foremost, McCain reasserts his ominous commitment to an endless engagement in Iraq. He justifies his bottomless pit commitment by arguing that a "premature" withdrawal will lead to a wider Middle East war because Al Qaeda will be able to turn Iraq into a cauldron of sectarian strife. This, he argues, will ultimately embolden Iran to confront Sunni Arab states and Israel, and lead to a regional war that will surely force the United States back into a wider conflict that it will have to wage against adversaries far stronger than they are today. In other words, the domino theory of Middle East extremism lies at the core of McCain's endless summer in Iraq.

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

 

posted by MeghanBrooks on Mar 27, 2008 at 11:56 AM

 I would definetly go. I'm a registered democrat but I have to admit that McCain is a smart guy who knows what he's doing, and if Hillary doesn't make it I'm definetly voting for him. I think it would be really interesting to hear him speak. I don't think he could convince me to vote for him over Hillary, but you never know until you go!


posted by randomfactor on Mar 27, 2008 at 12:06 PM

Meghan, I don't give McCain the benefit of either judgement.  I don't think he's particularly smart (he graduated 894th in his class, the bottom 1 percent, from essentially a trade school).  And his continual confusion of who's who on his signature issue--the failed war in Iraq--shows me he doesn't know what he is doing.  He's admitted in public that he doesn't know much about economics (then denied he said it.)

posted by MeghanBrooks on Mar 27, 2008 at 03:01 PM

 A lot of people who arn't good at school are genius's. (Albert Einstein failed several math classes). I don't beleive his ranking in his graduating class has anything to do with his intelligence. Besides, a lot of people, myself included, have the ability to do better in school but don't have the resources to. Maybe he had to work full time and couldn't really focus 100% on his studies. The only people who I have seen succeeding in college are people who don't have to worry about anything but school. Anybody could get a masters degree with straight A's if they didn't have to work or worry about anything but school. I think there are a lot of people out there who never attended college because they couldn't afford to, or something else happened prevetning them from going, who could have graduated first in their class.There are several factors that can affect somebody's grades (After all, W graduated from Yale...). Judging somebody by how they did in school is really pointless unless you compare that to what else was gonig on in their lives. To me, somebody who gets a bachelors from a four year school isn't necesarilly smart, it's somebody who had support from people around them. I have a friend who graduated from UC Irvine last year and moved back in with her parents. She has no motivation to go out and get a job because she is so used to only having to go to class and do homework. I would rather have a president who did ok, or even horrible in school but worked hard to get where he is today than some spoiled Bush who didn't even try yet still graduated.

Admitting that he doesn't know a lot about economics is him acknowledging a fact. He KNOWS that he doesn't know a lot about economics, thus he knows that if there's ever a huge economic decision to be made he's going to need a lot of help. And of course he lied about it-all politicians lie. 

I have a feeling that if he is elected he is going to try to get us out of Iraq. I have absolutely nothing to back that up, but I just have a feeling that he knows what's going on. Since he's a republican he's basically stuck supporting whatever W does right now, but maybe if he's elected that will change.

This post makes me sound like a republican.

HILLARY 08!

posted by Charlie on Mar 27, 2008 at 06:09 PM

 Once again rundum shows us his classic stupidity. He would like you to believe that because Annapolis, the Naval Academy is a federal institution and is not state accredited that it's just a trade school. I have no idea where rundum got his liberal arts party planning degree but any US Military Academy grad will run circles around his nitwit butt.

posted by ChicoEsquela on Mar 28, 2008 at 07:32 AM

 He would like you to believe that because Annapolis, the Naval Academy is a federal institution and is not state accredited that it's just a trade school.

It has much more to do with the fact that its connected to the Military than being Fed Funcded!

Remember, he and his, LOVE Govt funded things -- be they local, State, Federal.

KNOW THE ENEMY!

(It the only way to defeat them)

 

posted by randomfactor on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:32 AM

No, he would like you to believe that because Annapolis' curriculum isn't up to the level of, say, a state-funded university.

.

Hey, not everyone can go to Harvard Law School.  (Or Yale, unless Daddy went there.)

posted by ChicoEsquela on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:36 AM

 depends on how ya define  "curriculum"

not enough socialistic dogma and its not  "up" to your standards I expect

posted by ChicoEsquela on Mar 28, 2008 at 08:40 AM

 TomW, how do the stated positions/plans of the three candidates (McCain, Obama, Hillary) square with your previous statement that the Fed is feeding to much capital into M3?

McCain is the only one that isn't just talking major Fed funded bailouts seems to me

HRC and BO are both talking more Fed bailouts and nothing about individual responsibility

It will probably cost him, but at least McCain is talking about it and not just proposing even more of what you said you were against

posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Mar 28, 2008 at 09:15 AM

Einstein never failed any math classes. That's an urban legend and one easily debunked, most recently in Walter Isaacson's terrific biography. And Einstein himself pointed out he mastered calculus by age 15 (!).

posted by MeghanBrooks on Mar 28, 2008 at 09:43 AM

My bad, noonisabovethelaw. I had always heard, like so many others, that he had failed math. The reasoning was because he was so smart that simple math problems, like addition and subtraction, were impossible for him to do alone. But he could do long, drawn out problems easily.


posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Mar 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM

Hillary and Obama are talking about what they would propose. McCain is saying he won't propose that...but in classic McBush fashion, he won't oppose it...or strongly, anyway...and will sign it once Congress passes it, assuming that somehow (worst case scenario) McBush gets elected.

Somebody remind him of that in the future...this may wind up being his "read my lips" moment...Mondale wasn't elected because he was truthful that, yes, taxes probably need to be raised to pay for the deficit we're incurring. Reagan poo-poohed that idea, and a few months later signed one of the largest tax bills to ever come out of Congress. (And it was needed.)

Bush Senior realized that and so promised "no new taxes" and then had to go back on it. Never say never, politicians.

posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Mar 28, 2008 at 11:09 AM

I didn't write this, but I wish I had:

Here is why this year I am continuing my 32 year tradition of not voting for a Republican. My taxes didn't rebuild a failing bridge, provide health care to somebody without, help a disaster victim, maintain a distressed National Park, help shore up Social Security, or any of thousands of worthwhile uses.

My taxes were Pissed Away in 15 seconds in Iraq.

 

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