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BakersfieldSuperman - > mitt -> Character, its important
Character, its important

McCain was a POW that was tortured for years during the Vietnam war. He was offered his freedom, and he repeatedly declined because he refused to take spacial treatment and be released before other that were their before him.

Because of that he was beaten, tortured and treated worse than most there. He again was offered his freedom which he declined.

I think that shows the character he has and now I think about Obama. What character does he have?

Obama has left his church, preacher and even some of his positions because the campaign made it a little hard on him. Is this the guy you want? Is this the character you want? The message of change is fine and dandy but don't pee in my ear and tell me its raining.

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posted by TSM on Jun 27, 2008 at 01:51 PM

 

If you're serious about character, then this should bother you (but we know it won't):

* McCain supported the drilling moratorium; now he’s against it.

* McCain strongly opposes a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.

* McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.

* McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)

Wait, I’m not done with the last two weeks yet….

* McCain
wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.

* He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

* McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.

* McCain believes the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.

* McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.

* He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.

* McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.

* He wanted political support from radical televangelists like John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.

* McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”

* McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.

* McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.

* In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.

* McCain has changed his economic worldview on multiple occasions.

* McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions.

* McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.

* McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off than they were before Bush took office.

* McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.

* McCain believes his endorsement from radical televangelist John Hagee was both a good and bad idea.

* McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.

* McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal.

* In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.

* McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.

* McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. Now he’s against it.

* On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own legislation.

* In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.

* McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”

* McCain said he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”

* McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.

* McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* On a related note, he said 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and insisted he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.

 The message of change is fine and dandy but don't pee in my ear and tell me its raining.

It appears you'd prefer they handed you a steaming pile of crap and was told it was meatloaf.

 

posted by jfrancais on Jun 27, 2008 at 01:56 PM

McCain, the "War Hero", also was against the new GI Bill fearing that retention would decrease in the military.

posted by TSM on Jun 27, 2008 at 02:07 PM

Here's how far McCain is out of touch:

He was in Nevada the other day talking up nuclear energy. The vast majority of nuclear waste is set to go to the Yucca Mountain repository.  A recent poll shows 58% of Nevada residents oppose Yucca Mountain. The opposition crosses party lines.

 

posted by TSM on Jun 27, 2008 at 02:21 PM

It's almost as if McCain wants to lose badly:

Republican presidential candidate John McCain said on Friday he would oppose a government bailout of the ailing auto industry and voiced strong support for free trade in the hard-hit state of Ohio.

McCain faced questions from one employee at the GM plant about free-trade agreements that Democrats complain are costing Americans' jobs.

Raymond Francisco, 37, of Canfield, Ohio, said he had to move from his native New Jersey when he was laid off at an auto plant there.

"Is there any way that the trade can become more fair?" he asked.

McCain said he strongly supported free trade agreements and wanted to resist protectionism and isolationism.

Just as he did when he supported Airbus over Boeing, McCain shows he doesn't give a damn about U.S. workers.

 

posted by mtndewrob on Jun 27, 2008 at 02:31 PM

Let's not forget he left his first wife when he got home from Vietnam. She was disfigured and walked with a bad limp after a car accident while he was a POW. He cheated on her with his current wife, the much younger Cindy. Tells me a lot about his character.

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jun 27, 2008 at 02:38 PM

......... and as usual, BS's argument gets blown to bits.


posted by TSM on Jun 27, 2008 at 02:38 PM

 

He cheated on her with his current wife, the much younger Cindy.

And married her a month after divorcing his first wife.

Another telling sign of McCain's character is that he broke campaign financing laws he helped write.

Then there's his involvement with the Keating Five savings and loan scandal.

 

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 03:12 PM

And your hero Kerry deserted his wife during a bad time for her and married Mrs. Ketchup.  Oh, that's right, he's not running for prez....this time.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jun 27, 2008 at 03:16 PM

I think you'll be hard pressed to find a politician who doesn't have some dirt on their shoes..

posted by TSM on Jun 27, 2008 at 03:54 PM

 

Kerry's first marriage was on the rocks long before Thorne was depressive.

And Kerry wasn't having an extramarital affair while married to Thorne.

Kerry's divorce was finalized in 1988. He married Heinz in 1995. That's a damn sight longer than the one month McCain waited.

Kerry's a choirboy compared to McCain's behavior.

 

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 27, 2008 at 04:07 PM

I also find it a tad silly that BS would judge Obama by one (now infamous) incident. Gee, you'd almost think the whole purpose of the post was to bring up Rev. Wright again.

I'm sure you would also be screaming your head off if he were still a member of that church, so don't sit there and say he doesn't have character because he basically had no other choice.

 

Oh, and yes this is the guy I want to be my President.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 04:20 PM

Reposted from another  blog.

Of course it's old news, but then, so is the first marriage of McCain.  Here's a stand up guy for you..and your choice at the time.Posted: July 02, 2004
1:00 am Eastern

 

By Kevin McCullough
© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

 



Some Democrats in Illinois may have been tickled pink at the prospect of throwing the U.S. Senate race into utter confusion two weeks ago, but those same Democrats have now likely opened up vulnerability at the top of the ticket. And with what is already publicly known about the tortured marriage between Sen. John Kerry and his first wife Julia Stimson Thorne, there is reason to believe that where there's smoke, there's fire.

When the Chicago Tribune and ABC News decided to sue for information that had been sealed in custody agreements in the Jack and Jeri Ryan divorce, the judge stunningly ruled against the wishes of both parents to open up sensitive information that even the judge said would bring embarrassment and damage to their son. If the judge was willing to go to such extraordinary measures for the sake of the "public's right to know," it seems to me it will be a difficult task for John Kerry to be able to keep his divorce records sealed.

For one, John Kerry is running for the highest office in the land, and it is self-evident that voters want to know as much as possible about the public life of someone running for that position. The argument that the press made in the Jack Ryan case was that all divorce proceedings are public. A public act, paid for by public fees and taxes, and the proceedings take place in the public's courthouse. The "public's right to know" became the all-encompassing battle cry for the Chicago Tribune. Now the tables are being turned against John Kerry, and he has given his opponents even more reason to pursue the records after, according to the Boston Globe, he flatly rejected making the documents public this week.

What are we likely to find in the John Kerry records? There are only a handful of people who know for sure. But adding up what we know about the circumstances surrounding the John Kerry/Julia Thorne divorce, it is obvious to many that it impacted her a great deal more than it did him. This becomes a matter for the voters when you realize that on his website John Kerry claims "a very active Catholic faith."

Joseph Curl wrote for the Washington Times back in April of this year:

"The couple had two daughters, Alexandra in 1973 and Vanessa in 1976, but all was not bliss in the Kerry mansions. They separated in 1982, with Thorne in the depths of a severe depression and on the brink of suicide, which she blamed on her husband's cold and distant nature, his long absences and his fierce ambition (which she was bankrolling). The separation came as Kerry was mulling a bid to run for the Senate seat vacated by Paul Tsongas in 1984; Thorne said she still associates politics 'only with anger, fear and loneliness.' In 1988, the final divorce went through. ... She later called her relationship with Kerry a 'suffocating marriage.'"

What kind of man leaves his wife, but especially when she is in the midst of suicidal depression? In addition, there seemed to be a hotly contested issue when Kerry later wished to marry Teresa Heinz over whether or not he should be granted an annulment.

He pushed ahead for the annulment even though it technically threw his daughters into the bizarre state of illegitimacy. Having recovered from her depression by that point, some 18 years later Thorne fired back with hotly worded letters that she also copied to the Boston Globe. In 1997, Kerry even publicly joked about the issue of annulment on a radio talk show saying that 75 percent of all annulments in the world take place in the U.S., but he guessed, "That number would drop to 50 percent if you take out all of the Massachusetts politicians."

Hmm, seems like a really caring guy with just loads of respect for his daughters, the institution of marriage and his formerly depressed ex-wife.

Voter's have the right to know what kind of decision process Kerry goes through before making such important moves. And the media organizations that are now planning on suing for access to the sealed documents will make "the public's right to know" the foremost argument in the strategy to get the records open.

Kerry will try to fight it, but the decision to open them is pretty much a foregone conclusion – I mean, after all, "The public has the right to know ..."


 

 

posted by msjenny on Jun 27, 2008 at 04:46 PM

I am still voting for the dems no matter what anybody says, and i cant understand why people get mad at what

dems or repbs do, they are only human like us, everyone has dirt,

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:36 PM

msjenny, you are exactly right.  What gets me is that the Dems on this blog won't admit that.  They like to rip into McCain without any thought to the garbage people from their own party does.  All I'm trying to do is  balance the scales a bit. 

Most of us have made up our minds as to who we'll vote for, the rest is all just so much filler and saber rattling.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:48 PM

Nancy, the bizarre practice of annulment is due to the bizarre practices of Roman Catholicism.  Several former Catholics on this blog can give you the lowdown on that if you like.   Reportedly his wife asked for the six-year separation which preceded their divorce.

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I doubt Kerry ever called either of his wives what McCain called *HIS* wife.  And I'm not talking about "trollop."

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:49 PM

Did I say it wasn't fair?  My point was that the Dems act like McCain is evil incarnate while refusing to admit that some of their boys have clay feet.  I know they all do...both parties...I'd just like for once to see someone on the left admit that.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:51 PM

I don't think he's evil incarnate.  I just think he wants the job so badly he's willing to jettison any previously-held position.  If he thought being a nudist would get him votes, he'd announce his hatred of clothing while standing nude at the podium.  I also think he's a petty man who has a bad temper...and that's not the kind of person who should be anywhere near the "button."

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:55 PM

Who knows what Kerry called his wife.  Read the divorce papers and see how vain he was, what a narcissist he was and how insufferable he was.  According to HER.  He was cold and unfeeling during a time of suicidal depression and yet the left felt he was compassionate enough and caring enough to be president.

Off topic but this laptop is so sensitive I type like I'm writing for someone who stutters.  Multiple esses and every other kind of letter.  Thank goodnessss for ssspelllll check.  :-)

posted by AudreyB on Jun 27, 2008 at 05:56 PM

Random

And Obama wouldn't.  Give me a break.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:08 PM

Audrey, I invite you to show me any laws Obama got passed through Congress and subsequently violated.   I doubt there are any bills he introduced and subsequently voted against, too.  Both of those apply to McShrub.

(Granted, I'm still waiting to see what he does on the Telecom fiasco.  But if McShrub follows his pattern for the past six weeks, he won't even show up to vote.)

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:22 PM

Tal, may I call you Tal?  When you've been here as long as I have (maybe you have under another name) you'll see that the left here is much more vocal about McCain and much more ridiculing than the right.  This McShrub business for instance...there aren't many on the right who mock Obama's name the way the left does MCain.  There have been a few granted, but not in the numbers of the left.  Now, you might say that's petty and doesn't matter.  I couldn't agree more, it IS petty.  The constant reference to McCains 20 some odd year old divorce is constantly being brought up even though it has nothing to do with anything now is rididulous.  Sooooo, when it's brought up again, I'll bring up Kerry and what a paragon of virtue and kindliness he was/is.  How can anyone say seriously talk about McCain marrying for money when Kerry did the same thing?

I'm not big on bringing up 26 year old news as a weapon against a candidate.  If you want to tear him apart on his platform or his ideas, be my guest.  But at least stop the ancient smear campaign like it was hot gossip off the front page of the Enquirer. 

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:26 PM

Nancy, BS here single-handedly cancels out any misdemeanors the left-wing bloggers here do with his constant half-informed screeds.

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And there are *HUNDREDS* on the right who mock Obama's name.   They have a low opinion of the intelligence of the average voter, and after the last two presidential elections I can't say they're wrong.

And if they had something 20 years old they thought they could use against Obama (like his self-confessed experimentation with drugs) you can be sure they would (and have) used it in a shot.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:33 PM

RF, maybe hundreds but we aren't talking about them, I thought we were talking about the posts here.  If you want to go nation wide, I'm sure the numbers would be much higher on both sides.  BS is relatively new here and this has been going on for a lot longer than he's been here.

My point is STILL that the left has just as many people with clay feet as the right and to continue to throw up a 26 year old divorce is crazy.  All I ask is for you guys to stick to the facts.  Stick to the issues.  Stick to policies.  I don't give a rats patootie what Kerry does or did  on his marriage any more than I give a rats patootie what McCain did 26 years ago in his marriage.  I doubt you or any of us are the same person we were then so why bring up the past now?  That's ancient history and not relevant to the presidential race.

That's all I'm sayin'.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:38 PM

All I'm saying is that the only chance the McCain campaign has is to throw enough mud and hope something sticks.  And that's *EXACTLY* what they're going to do, because it's the only way to get Bush a third term (and avoid possible prosecution.)  Between BS and Our Old Pal NEOCONGUY, they've got enough creative spellings of Obama's name to counter anything I put up.

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Fortunately, Obama "doesn't do cowering," as he said the other day.  One national weasel just called him "John Kerry with a tan."  I'll accept that.  Both men were faced with running against incompetent  opponents who should never have been given an *AUDIENCE* in the Oval Office, let alone the keys to the country.  And both know the only way those opponents can win is dirty.  We ain't seen nothing yet--my only hope is that Obama so thorougly clobbers McCain in the debates that they can't get it close enough to cheat this time.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:45 PM

Again Tal, I was talking about the blog.  I couldn't agree more that both sides use garbage in a campaign, but I steer away from that kind of stuff for the most part.

McCain changing his views?  Legitimate beef if you believe it or if it's true.  No argument from me there.  I've freely admitted he isn't my first or even second choice but I can't in all conscience vote for a Democrat, I'm just not liberal enough.  I don't believe in all the social programs, socialized medicine etc.  My only other choice is a write in and that only takes away from the Republican party.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:46 PM

For what it's worth, I'm quite happy to see BS post his tripe here.  These are the things the Republicans are circulating via e-mail and most of us seldom get on these lists.  I can tell you flat out that I *NEVER* see such tripe circulated via e-mail about McCain. 

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Given that the crap's out in the open and can be refuted by facts in public is a bit like lancing a boil.  Painful, but healthy in the long run.  If nothing else, the spelling and grammar give an indication of the worth of the original material.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:49 PM

Isn't it funny (not haha) how far apart people can be and how differently they see things?  In so many ways we want the same things for our country but have totally different ideas on how to get here.  I don't believe Obama is the messiah that this country has been waiting for and I don't think he'll be able to change things the way he promises.  Of course, I long ago gave up in believing any politicians promises.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 27, 2008 at 06:55 PM

I don't think Obama is the messiah either.  I don't want him to be.  I want him to be the leader who says "guess what, guys?  We've got serious problems in this country.  I want to create the tools that will help you in fixing them.  But you're going to do the work.

That alone would be refreshing after seven years of "just go shopping."

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Oh, and if he indicts Bush I'll reconsider that messiah thing.  But I think he's too clever a politician to do so.

posted by mtndewrob on Jun 27, 2008 at 08:53 PM

I BROUGHT UP McCAINS MARRIAGE. The reason is because this blog is about how McCain has character and Obama Doesn't. If we can't bring up McCain's mariage 20 plus years ago, then why should they bring up his being a POW 20 years ago? A person can't bring up character and say so-and-so is untouchable on this issue and not expect anybody to dig up the dirt.

No politician is untochable. Is theresomething in Obama's past that he's not proud of? Probally, but so far nobody has been able to find it, so they are making stuff up. Even going as far as to make up quotes from his books. Easy stuff to disprove.

And the stuff they would like the country to be up in arms about (drug use) the public says, 'yea, old news, most people are guilty of this'. Same holds true for when it was brought up that Bush AND Chaney had three (3) DUI's betwee them.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:17 PM

Maybe because it's because he spent those years in the service of his country that people keep bringing it up.  For my part, the only time I bring it up is when someone brings up his marriage and how he didn't stay with the woman he originally married after being gone for 5 years.  He came home to find a completely different woman than he had married both physically and probably emotionally.    I try to remind people that when he came home,  he was NOT the same person who left her for service in Vietnam.   It's easy for you and others to sit in judgment of his actions when you cannot possibly know what you would have done in that situation.

For all those who respect McCain for his service and his imprisonment, there are a whole raft of those who swear he sold out and wimped out.  You don't know what you would have done in THAT situation either.  While we would all like to think that we would have been tough and strong and then come home to be the honorable, faithful spouse to an almost complete stranger, I submit to you that YOU have no way of knowing what you would have done.

Again I submit to you a rhetorical question.  How many of you honorable men have always been faithful to your spouse or spouses?  How many of you are still with your first spouse?  I only use the male gender here because that's who we're talking about.  Or have you just been  like Jimmy Carter and only lusted in your heart?

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:24 PM

Why is no one on the left commenting on all the misspelled words in mtdewrob's post like you do SM's???

Ahhhhhhh I see.   That's different. 

posted by anglo1 on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:50 PM

I respect McCain.  He has done something to respect.  I haven't heard anything about OB that would make me think I should respect him other than he is another human.  I don't like his ideas on many topics, taxes and the right to bear arms come to mind.  But it doesn't matter as long as he is not a Republican is what I hear.  I even read somewhere here that someone would vote for Hitler before voting for McCain. That is insane.  Oh yeah, I've been married to the same women for 38 years and am as faithful as an old dog.  Lusted in my heart? Constantly.  I also haven't read one thing on this blog about something positve about OB's character other than he doesn't cower.  Spam code BON F U. Just throwing out a bone.

posted by NancyII on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:58 PM

Good post Anglo.  And like you, I'm still waiting for word of Obama's accomplishments.  Non accomplishments.  Anything.

For guys like you who have remained faithful, I salute you.  And I know you're out there.  I have a sneaking suspicion though, that  there aren't many guys on here who can say that without crossing their fingers behind their backs.

posted by TSM on Jun 28, 2008 at 06:54 AM

 

I'm still waiting for word of Obama's accomplishments

Have you considered checking out his web site?

That's the logical place to start.

 And as far as making fun of candidate's names:

posted by drilnliftcrude on Jun 27, 2008 at 09:19 PM

Don't worry kids.  This editorial board will still endorse the Obamessiah.

 

posted by AudreyB on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:07 AM

Random

That would be difficult since he only has a 1 year history in the senate.  Any fool can serve that long without making the mistake of violating their own bills.

 

posted by Maggiepoo on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:21 AM
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:22 AM

He also has a history in the Illinois legislature, remember.

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But Obama's political background reminds me of another Illinois Congressman who was elected to the Presidency.  He did OK.

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This editorial board will still endorse the Obamessiah.

Of course they will.  Their rules of thumb are:

1.  Endorse the clear winner.

2.  If no clear winner, endorse the Republican.

This year they won't have to go to step #2.

posted by drilnliftcrude on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:22 AM

Sorry TSM,  the wizard of uh's is just too big a reservoir to go untapped. You Obamalamadingdongs need to just get over it now as it looks like you'll be having to defend ol' Barack Hussein Mugabebama for the next four years. 

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:24 AM

I wouldn't go as far as the headline Mp posted, but it's clear McCain would never have been in the skies above Vietnam if his father hadn't been an admiral.  Reminds me a bit of a recent president whose military career turned on who his daddy was.

posted by drilnliftcrude on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:25 AM

They didn't have to go to step #2 in the last couple of elections either.

posted by AudreyB on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:31 AM

As one commentater said on TV night before last, Obama was deciding who would be Chicago's dogcatcher when Hillary was  being bamboozled into voting for the war in Iraq.

Great record, Obama!

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:43 AM

They went to step 2 in both cases,  dril.  There wasn't a clear winner before the election in either instance, although Gore won the first as he was favored to.

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Who was that idiot commentator, Audrey--Falafel Boy?   Obama was never in city government in Chicago.

You might check into that "great record."  It's better than you think it is, and it's pretty damned good overall.

Once elected, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics and health care laws.[26] He sponsored a law increasing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.[27] In 2001, as co-chairman of the bipartisan Joint Committee on Administrative Rules, Obama supported Republican Governor Ryan's payday loan regulations and predatory mortgage lending regulations aimed at averting home foreclosures,[28] and in 2003, Obama sponsored and led unanimous, bipartisan passage of legislation to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they detained and legislation making Illinois the first state to mandate videotaping of homicide interrogations.[27][29]

Especially about the mortgage regulations, it sounds like he had a much better grasp of what's happened since than anyone in the current administration.  They *CUT* regulations so nobody was watching the henhouse.

posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:44 AM

TSM, I saw the Obamessiah and the Obamalamadingdong and now I heartily endorse it.  For the past year I've railed against the childishness of that sort of thing but it was like spitting in the wind so now I've decided to join in and applaud every new Obamamobama cutesy name that comes up.

You see, it's almost like an obsession with me that I call people by their given name (if I know it), I've always been that way.  But, I can see it's time to ditch the way I was raised in this respect as now I've discovered how much fun it can be.  Not really, because I still think it's cheap, childish and low but hey,  why not join the crowd?  I can be a sheeple when it comes to name calling as well as the next guy.  Or gal.  Thanks !  You've freed me from the shackles of my parents training!

posted by Maggiepoo on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:52 AM

Mr Cindy McCain Flip Flops Again -- Praises GI Bill He Opposed

In today's installment of McCain vs. McCain, the "straight talker" claimed credit for passage of the 21st Century GI Bill of Rights he opposed.

When Fighting Dem Jim Webb vowed to give patriots who enlisted after 9/11 the same opportunity for a first-class education offered to the greatest generation after World War Two, McCain said NO.

When dozens of Veterans Service Organization led by Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and VoteVets.org, and bipartisan Congressional majorities led by Fighting Dem Senator Jim Webb (D-VA), Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Senate Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Congressman Harry Mitchell (D-AZ), pushed to make the 21st Century GI Bill of Rights a reality, McCain said NO.

When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton endorsed the 21st Century Bill of Rights, McCain said NO -- even going so far as to offer his own watered-down so-called substitute.

But the Fighting Dems beat back the Bush-McCain opposition, the bill sailed through the Congress and now -- rather than admit he was wrong -- McCain is claiming credit for the bill he opposed at every turn

We?

Well.

I'm happy to tell you that the 21st Century GI Bill of Rights will become law. I just wish McCain had not opposed it so long before he supported it. Our heroes need a President who is an ally not a roadblock in their pursuit of the American dream.

http://www.huffingtonpost.c...

 

posted by Maggiepoo on Jun 28, 2008 at 07:58 AM

McCain Makes Awkward Wife-Beating Joke

In an interview with the Las Vegas Sun, columnist Jon Ralston asked McCain why he didn't choose Gov. Jim Gibbons (in the middle of a messy divorce) to chair his Nevada campaign:

McCain: I appreciate his support. As you know, the lieutenant governor is our chairman.


Q: Why snub the governor?

McCain: I didn't mean to snub him. I've known the lieutenant governor for 15 years and we've been good friends....I didn't intend to snub him. There are other states where the governor is not the chairman.

Q: Maybe it's the governor's approval rating and you are running from him like you are from the president?

McCain: (Chuckling) And I stopped beating my wife just a couple of weeks ago . . .

ABC News' Jake Tapper notes that McCain's evasive joke was a poor choice given the context:

Gov. Gibbons last month filed for divorce from his wife Dawn citing incompatibility.

It's pretty scandalous. The Reno Gazette-Journal recently reported
that one month Gibbons sent 860 text messages to a woman with whom Mrs. Gibbons suspects her husband of stepping out.

Gibbons, you may recall, started his governorship amidst accusations that he assaulted a cocktail waitress named Chrissy Mazzeo three weeks before Election Day. Mazzeo said Gibbons grabbed her in a parking garage and threatened to sexually assault her. Charges were never filed.

 

posted by AudreyB on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:11 AM

WGAS

posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:20 AM

From the LA Times.

"Dawn is referred to as a "castaway wife" and Jim as possibly "the most scandal-ridden governor in the history of this state." It also claims the other woman resembles the cocktail waitress who accused the governor of assault.

"It's like the Clintons," says Donna Kattchee, 74, another coffee shop patron who hopes the theatrics end, "if they had gotten divorced."

Yup, no reason to distance himself from THAT buffoon.

 

posted by drilnliftcrude on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:22 AM

Looks like some of Barry O's work in Illinois tended to provide "hope" to developers and political cronies instead of the poor's housing needs. 

"As a state senator, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year.

But a Globe review found that thousands of apartments across Chicago that had been built with local, state, and federal subsidies - including several hundred in Obama's former district - deteriorated so completely that they were no longer habitable.

Grove Parc and several other prominent failures were developed and managed by Obama's close friends and political supporters. Those people profited from the subsidies even as many of Obama's constituents suffered. Tenants lost their homes; surrounding neighborhoods were blighted."

 

 

"Among those tied to Obama politically, personally, or professionally are:

Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign and a member of his finance committee. Jarrett is the chief executive of Habitat Co., which managed Grove Parc Plaza from 2001 until this winter and co-managed an even larger subsidized complex in Chicago that was seized by the federal government in 2006, after city inspectors found widespread problems.

Allison Davis, a major fund-raiser for Obama's US Senate campaign and a former lead partner at Obama's former law firm. Davis, a developer, was involved in the creation of Grove Parc and has used government subsidies to rehabilitate more than 1,500 units in Chicago, including a North Side building cited by city inspectors last year after chronic plumbing failures resulted in raw sewage spilling into several apartments.

Antoin "Tony" Rezko, perhaps the most important fund-raiser for Obama's early political campaigns and a friend who helped the Obamas buy a home in 2005. Rezko's company used subsidies to rehabilitate more than 1,000 apartments, mostly in and around Obama's district, then refused to manage the units, leaving the buildings to decay to the point where many no longer were habitable.

Campaign finance records show that six prominent developers - including Jarrett, Davis, and Rezko - collectively contributed more than $175,000 to Obama's campaigns over the last decade and raised hundreds of thousands more from other donors. Rezko alone raised at least $200,000, by Obama's own accounting.

One of those contributors, Cecil Butler, controlled Lawndale Restoration, the largest subsidized complex in Chicago, which was seized by the government in 2006 after city inspectors found more than 1,800 code violations.

Butler and Davis did not respond to messages. Rezko is in prison; his lawyer did not respond to inquiries."

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:26 AM

Almost like a Republican, eh?  Well, keep in mind they had a corrupt Republican governor overseeing the state.

(Of course, the current governor may not be that much better.)

posted by ChicoEsquela on Jun 28, 2008 at 08:36 AM

Checking Obama's website for his accomplishments is like the drunk (again) looking for his wallet under