It doesn't invalidate what we say as anon blogs. You just happen to disagree with what is being said because you are pro Brothers and the facts we present don't fit your fantasy.

 The way I see it, what difference does it make what I call myself on these blogs. Call me Mark if it makes you feel better. Is your real name Rie? Is that a real photo of you? So who's more honest a phony name and picture or an anonymous post?.

  P.S. If that is your real photo can you kick me your phone number?

LadySandee-  If "JESUS TAUGHT US TO LOVE THE SINNER NOT THE SIN (MURDER)" then how can you justify killing someone that jesus taught you to love?  I'd figure you'd want him to live out the rest of his days repenting and accepting Jesus into his heart to save his eternal soul from the "one true judge?"  Guess not.  I suppose it will always be a great mystery to me how the religious chose which situations to appply their "rules" and which to change the interpretation for.

Unfortunately, I was not present during the murder, nor was I a juror or privy to the evidence, so I have no idea if he is guilty or deserves the death penalty (which I am for).

LadySandee-  I am all for the death penalty, but out of curiosity, if "JESUS TAUGHT US TO LOVE THE SINNER NOT THE SIN (MURDER)" how can you justify killing someone jesus taught you to love?  Shouldn't you want him to live out his days repenting and accepting jesus into his heart so his eternal soul will be forgiven by the "one true judge?"

Unfortunately I was not a juror, so I did not get to see the evidence and I was not there during the murder, therefore I cannot say if I think him guilty or not or deserving of the death penalty.

The only thing Crawford wants to run is his mouth.

 And that's a full time job for him.

To anonymous posted on May 29, 2007 at 10:40 PM :

I got some information for you from a very reliable and knowledgeable source within the criminal justice community.  In a nutshell, of the 30 people (all men, btw) convicted of murder and sentenced to death by Kern County juries since the death penalty was reinstated:

17  are white

1  is white/hispanic

7  are hispanic

5  are black

As a percentage of the local population, whites and blacks are both overrepresented in the number of defendents sentenced to death, and hispanics and other minorities are underrepresented.  If you want details, you'll have to wait.  It's late, and I'm going to bed.

I agree with you, too, Steve.

I also think all the jurors, including the one who was dismissed, are courageous people.  For a variety of reasons I don't know that I could have sat on that jury.  Not the least of those reasons would be because of the potential of being called names by anonymous cowards who would throw out racial accusations without knowing a thing about me. 

These jurors gave up months of their lives to hear testimony and see evidence of a very gruesome and emotional nature.  They had restrictions put on their daily routines to not converse about this subject with anyone (how many of us have talked to friends or spouses about the case?), nor were they to view or read any news accounts of the case (a pretty difficult thing to do if you want to watch any news at all or pick up the newspaper).

I said I thought the dismissed juror was also brave.  I feel that way because he revealed the conflict he was experiencing while there was still time to do something about it.  He could have just kept his mouth shut and let the case result in a hung jury, causing the county thousands and thousands of dollars to retry the case and putting witnesses and family members through drawn out agony.  As Steve pointed out, there have been jurors in the past who have done just such a thing -- they've let their personal agendas override their duties as jurors.  When that happens, justice definitely is not served.

"there are 39 other Counties you could move to anytime."

Boy there is definitely an intelligence deficiency in this county. Hmmm.....39 counties? Try again.

This is out of control and should be monitored far better.  A whole lot of anonymous swagger - way out of line.  Who wouldn't duck out after being called so many names by such ignoramosis (so shoot for not being able to spell.)  Ladysandee had an opinion.  An opinion, btw, that outside of this blog is shared by nearly 80% of Californian respondants.  If that bothers you so much there are 39 other Counties you could move to anytime.  The fact that you haven't been able to make enough of yourselves to afford to live where you'd seemingly prefer, doesn't mean we have to be glad to have you here. 

You posters who believe this verdict is racist and not based on evidence have your heads in the sand.

Jurors in this case and others in this county take their oath very seriously. I have covered courts for more than 25 years here and I have yet to see a case where jurors rendered a guilty verdict which was not supported by the evidence.

What I have seen are jurors who vote not guilty for invalid reasons, usually on 11-1 votes.

Furthermore, jurors identify with defendants who have solid work backgrounds such as Brothers. It takes compelling evidence to render a verdict jurors know will seriously harm someone who was a productive citizen.

The posters who make these assertions -- all anonymous on this blog -- are ignorant , have no facts to back up their assertions and don't  have the fortitude to put a name with their beliefs.

So knock it off. You are betraying your own prejudices, not those of anyone else.

Though the justice system has seemed to work out for the best where Vincent Brothers is concerned, that doesn't mean that the 'justice system' doesn't need fixing itself.  For though it takes an extremely wicked and evil man to do what Vincent Brothers has now been convicted of, (with the cold-blooded killing of three innocent and helpless children, their mother and grandmother)  It takes an equally wicked and evil justice system to have to debate whether a crime so heinous as this is deserving of the death penalty or not.  Was the justice system fair and did it work for the best? Yes...THIS TIME...however as the old addage goes..."Even a broken clock is right twice a day!"  To quote well-known Pastor and public speaker Bob Enyart out of Denver Colorado, "It used to be a Justice System, now it's just a system"!

        & nbsp;       &n bsp;       &nb sp;       &nbs p;         ;             Kenny Hernandez - Bakersfield, Ca.

Though the justice system has seemed to work out for the best where Vincent Brothers is concerned, that doesn't mean that the 'justice system' doesn't need fixing itself.  For though it takes an extremely wicked and evil man to do what Vincent Brothers has now been convicted of, (with the cold-blooded killing of three innocent and helpless children, their mother and grandmother)  It takes an equally wicked and evil justice system to have to debate whether a crime so heinous as this is deserving of the death penalty or not.  Was the justice system fair and did it work for the best? Yes...THIS TIME...however as the old addage goes..."Even a broken clock is right twice a day!"  To quote well-known Pastor and public speaker Bob Enyart out of Denver Colorado, "It used to be a Justice System, now it's just a system"!

        & nbsp;       &n bsp;       &nb sp;       &nbs p;         ;             Kenny Hernandez - Bakersfield, Ca.

Though the justice system has seemed to work out for the best where Vincent Brothers is concerned.  That doesn't mean that the 'justice system' doesn't need fixing itself.  For though it takes an extremely wicked and evil man to do what Vincent Brothers has now been convicted of, (with the cold-blooded killing of three innocent and helpless children, their mother and grandmother)  It takes an equally wicked and evil justice system to have to debate whether a crime so heinous as this is deserving of the death penalty or not.  Was the justice system fair and did it work for the best? Yes...THIS TIME...however as the old addage goes..."Even a broken clock is right twice a day"

        & nbsp;       &n bsp;       &nb sp;       &nbs p;         ;                 & nbsp;       &n bsp;       &nb sp;       &nbs p;    - Kenneth Hernandez, Bakersfield

Rie

  You say he was a wonderful administrator but you ignore tha fact that he was a terrible father and husband. His own daughter, his only surviving child hates him. His surviving ex-wife said he closed both her eyes with his punches. He slept with a lot of his subordiantes and even some of his superiors. Am I missing the part where this is a wonderful guy.

 Now all that doesn't make him a murderer- the facts of the case make him a murderer. But these facts hardly make him a wonderful guy. Could it be he had a professional image and a personal life that involved two very different Vincent Brothers? You saw what he wanted you to see- be glad you never saw the side his wives saw. Remember, Joannie told her best friend Vincent was "crazy" and she feared for her life. I bet she knew her husband a little better than you did and she didn't say he was "wonderful."

That jury was selected by two sides. 

Rie,

As a "friend" of Brothers you didn't pay real close attention to the case. Both pros. and defense calculations showed Brothers could have made the whole trip at an average of 70 mph and still have something like 14 hours to sleep and whatever. It was a brand new car basically. I'm sure the car's manufacturer will say the car can run from Ohio to California and back . There is no car on the market that could not make the trip. Get real. Stop believing in fantasies. On the trip the issue was the time of death. If they were not killed on Sunday then the time Brothers would have to drive is much faster to get back to Ohio. The defense had a lot of "experts." One said he could not rule out robbery even thought there was money on a table and nothing was taken. The jury weighted that fact against the possibility of a "staged" robbery and dismissed the defense's expert. Several defense experts were dismissed by the jury though apparently not by you.

IMHO they got the right person. Brothers put up no real defense and just spun his wheels. People complain about the amount of time the jury took to make its decision, but I think they took too long. You know, during the trial, the only people who said they saw Brothers during the time of the murders were the witnesses in Bakersfield. He didn't produce one person to confirm his alibi. Not even his own brother or the frat brother he said he met. And of course theres the accident in Ohio.  Brother's defense was a joke. He's where he belongs- on death row.