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BrothersTrial - > The People vs. Vincent Brothers -> Jury recommends Brothers should receive the death penalty
Jury recommends Brothers should receive the death penalty
A jury decided Tuesday that Vincent Brothers should receive the death penalty for killing his three children, his wife and his mother in law.

The jury deliberated for 6 hours over three days.

They deliberated for about 30 minutes this morning.

The judge will  have to confirm the sentence.

Brothers was found guilty of the five murders on May 15.

The judge will review the jury's recommendation on Sept. 27.
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posted by BrothersTrial on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 at 10:26 AM
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posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 09:31 PM
This guy Panfilo must be one hell of a man, his has received credit on four different blog posts this week, he must really have something to  say and people willing to listen.
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 09:03 PM
/" I'm black and I'm celebrating that justice  was done for the Harper family" we are all Black here,in fact we whatever color we want to be.
If you be Black, let me gear you rap, or dance all Blacks do that right? That is what I hear about them in Bakersfield, and it helps if you Hoop.
I don't get it, the guy is totally framed and gift wrapped, Kern mean justice has been served, the Judge has cashed in his go to throw out the Black got jail policy, and you are still complaining. You should be celebration and burning crosses in your best white, but instead you are wasting your time complaining that not all agree with you, geez, get a life.
Of course this Brothers will get death by one hand or another, but the judge and jury have already put out the contract,and the only question is who will get awarded the contract. If there is any justice the contract will go to a skin head, maybe one of your relatives, but no matter mean justice has been done and another brother bites the dust courtesy of you outstanding Kern Kl...people, rejoice Christian God is on your side.

Saddam Hussein is dead?   cool!
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 08:37 PM
anon 8:18, Do you have a point?
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 08:18 PM
Brothers took 3 trips to Ohio; April 1003, July 2003 and September 2003.  Heading: posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 at 09:20 a.m., Prosecutror has concerns about a witness, Madera Dowell's Mother, Fredericka.  Madera Dowell said she witnessed a crash with Vincent Brothers in Ohio around the time of the killings  The defense believes Adkins will be able to establish when the crash happened.  The Prosecutor said she has never received discovery about the date of the crash and the date is in great dispute.  The judge said Gardina cannot ask the mother what date the incident happened because it was turned over to the prosecutor late.  Gardina said he wants the case dismissed because he believed the prosecutor has been able to find the ambulance the defense believes responded to the crash & has not turned it over.  The Prosecutor said this is completely untrue.  The boy who Brothers got into a crash with was never located or identified and no ambulance records corroborate this.  There is no paper trail from this supposed accident, the prosecutor said.
posted by OKIEDOKIESTROKIE on May 30, 2007 at 06:39 PM
hello people he will die in prison of old age before he dies of the death penalty! black or white! whats color got to do with it?? WHEATHER YOUR BLACK , WHITE, MEXICAN, INDIAN, you do the crime you deserve the time wheather it be death or time. he deserves death! what he did was very brutal. imagine him killing his baby?? omg he deserves what he gets. and i believe he deserves death! and eye for an eye? right? color has nothing to do with it!!
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Hey, go easy on Panfilio Fuentes. He is just a tired old Caltrans worker, who can't get his letters to the editor published anymore, because he is such a bigot, and just rambles.  
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 05:33 PM
Anon. 4:45pm.,


I see the Valium's worn off..dang it!  I was hoping it'd last longer.

The village called... it wants its resident idiot back. (That'd be you.)

3B's on line 2..

And Saddam's been dead for a little while now, STUPID! Get a clue, really. 
posted by OldBlue56 on May 30, 2007 at 05:31 PM
Anon @ 4:45, we know your real name. Why don't you use your RedKernHero name much anymore? You are getting senile old man.
posted by Cubby1 on May 30, 2007 at 05:13 PM

anon 4:45

you are so funny that the government is looking for you.    ooops i made a mistake that is 3B not the government.

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 04:45 PM
I agree, Brothers is not Black, he is faking it just to get convicted, he has a death wish. Yeah, race had nothing to do with the conviction, Judge Bush had an option on a conviction insurance and he exercised his option just like Kern has always done, he is a hero.
And not these are not all poor Blacks and Klan whites, just some of them are so why condemn them all? I am sick of hearing all those who say he did not get a fair trail, who are they God?  He did get a fair trail or as fair as it gets for Blacks in Kern so stop whining.

And by the way I will use my real name. Hi, my name is Saddam Hussein
posted by Cubby1 on May 30, 2007 at 04:30 PM

I am so sick of hearing that Brothers was convicted because he was black and the Klan did it etc etc etc.  I am not thinking of the fact that either the victims or the guilty were black.  What I see is that a MAN was convicted of killing his family.  Skin color has nothing to do with the killing.  I see 3 children cheated out of their lives.  I see a mother and grandmother cheated out of watching these children grow up an graduate school, get a job, get married and have children.  I see a man that will spend what is left of his life going over and over the facts of why he did it and hopefully regretting it and asking the family for forgiveness and making peace with whoever he believes as his supreme being.

Why can't all you people that are screaming racist BS think about these things instead of just repeating the same old bull over and over again and not even bothering to use different words.  These people are all humans not poor blacks and racist klan whites. 

And yes I am glad he got the death penalty as a mother, grandmother, greatgrandmother I am afraid of what i would do to a person that killed my family and got away with it.  And no I do not ask what Jesus thinks of me as I am not Christian.  I am of one of the many many other religions that makes up this world.

And by the way I will use my own name.   Hi my name is Dee

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 03:29 PM

I've been thinking about this bigot who keeps screetching about the "clan."

I don't think this person is black at all.  I think it's some horrible person who happens to have a different amount melanin in his skin--who just wants to make black people look stupid.

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 02:40 PM

Johnulman

  Let's see. If you are right and Brothers came back to california but did not murder his family- just what did he come to California for. Let's see he left his credit card in Ohio and told his brother to use it- maybe to set up an alibi. Come on- we've all gone through the facts of the case. There was an extra 5000 miles on the car and witnesses saw Brothers outside the Harper's home. Add that to the fact that he has no alibi and lied about an accident and what do you have.

 I guess you need a picture of Brothers standing over the dead bodies. Mr. Brothers can answer any lingring questions you have.

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:56 PM
johnulman3,

"Happy everybody?"

Hardly.
Take a look around you. There's more to this case than JUST "poor, innocent Vincent Brothers".  Let's not forget Ernestine, Joanie, Lindsay, Marques and Marshall...

I, for one, don't agree with your theory. However right or wrong you or I may be, the man's been convicted and we've been over that on this (and other) blog (s) for days now.  Where've you been?

Your venturing to say that "most innocent men would lie if they felt they were going to be convicted of a crime they did not commit" is simply theory and I'd venture to say a faulty one at that. But then again, I could be wrong.

Call me crazy, but I think if one didn't do the crime, one shouldn't have to do the time and there wouldn't be a mountain of evidence, be it circumstantial or otherwise in opposition to one either-which was the case against Mr. Brothers.

Like I said, we've been over this.. It's so old it's starting to stink. Let's move on. He's been convicted. We're discussing his sentencing now. All you well wishers hoping he'll miraculously be freed can keep hoping, but spare us the ridiculous theories, please. 

It's highly unlikely that the "real killers" are out there somewhere. It's more likely than not that the real killer is sitting in Lerdo right now trying to score some more paper clips or ink pens to wriggle his way out of his shackles to go meet up with his brother, Troy.  Let's keep it real, shall we?
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:51 PM
Wow Johnulman, you are smart. I closely followed the entire trial, but your silly little post convinced me I was wrong. I bet if the 12 jurors who convicted him read your post, they will want to change their decision...
posted by johnulman3 on May 30, 2007 at 01:43 PM

I believe Kern County has convicted another innocent man following a well established pattern that is recognized throughout the state. From the newspaper accounts, it appears that all the D.A. may have done is prove that is was possible for Mr. Brothers to be in Bakersfield on the day of the murders- this is a far cry from proving beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed the murders. Having driven from Ohio to California and back on a couple of occasions, I don't believe it is physically possible to make that round-trip drive in a little over 3 days and, oh yeah, fit  a mass murder of your family in the middle of the trip. But even if you assume that it is, this doesn't prove Mr. Brothers committed the murders.

What I believe happened is that the D.A., following its usual pattern, developed a theory and then found facts to attempt to prove it, rather than the other way around and to the exclusion of any other possibilities. There was simply no substantial evidence to prove that Mr. Brothers committed the crimes. Although he may have lied about things that happened in Ohio, the D.A.'s argument that an innocent man would not lie doesn't hold water. I would venture to say that most innocent men would lie if they felt they were going to be convicted of a crime they did not commit.

What happened is that the jury required Mr. Brothers to prove his innocence and when they did not believe his alibi, they convicted him. The evidence to establish his guilt of the crime was simply not there. However, once they convicted him, the D.A.'s argument in support of the Death Penalty was very strong unless you consider a lingering doubt which most juries who have convicted a defendant are not willing to do and assuming you are willing to impose the death penalty. I predict that this conviction will someday be overturned assuming Mr. Brothers lives long enough but the real killer(s) will never be brought to justice. Happy everybody?

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:43 PM
Anon. 1:31pm.,

AMEN and amen..
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:31 PM

Anon 1:02

  I'm black and I'm celebrating that justice  was done for the Harper family. I know you just say things to make people angry- that's your thing- probably gets you the only "ATTENTION" you're getting now that Brothers is locked away. (and I know you know what I mean).

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:15 PM
Anon. 1:02pm.

We're only complaining about bigots like you, not the outcome of the trial.

Do you need reading glasses? Or is it just the giant chip on your shoulder getting in the way of your view?

Why don't you take a Valium and go have a nap?...
We could all use a break from shoveling all the crap you're dishing out.



posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:06 PM
Eddie Harper, what does it make him? Irrelevant, of course. At some point he might want to return to Bakersfield, he is just buying insurance, wouldn't you?
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 01:02 PM
I am over it, but you keep bringing up! Kern justice has been done, the judge has assured a conviction by doing his part and the Klan is celebrating, so what is the problem? You are satisfied, the Klan is satisfied, the D.A. keeps their record of never letting a Black man get justice, you should be elated, not complaining.
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:57 PM
jfracais,

Yes, I, too, heard Michele (sp?) Baptiste speaking. I have also heard Eddie Harper and one of Joanie's sisters speaking out about hoping that Vincent would repent.

I haven't heard anything else about the Harpers being against the death penalty for him, however.

I'm sure they honestly do want him to come to repentance, as any true believer in Christ would. I think it's an amazing testimony to what the power of God can do in one's heart when it's totally surrendered to Him.  Put in their shoes, I don't know that I'd be able to do it.

It reminds me of the Amish community that reached out to the family of the man who shot several of the school children in their community that one terrible day in the school house. Remember that? Those Amish people, no matter what anyone might think of them, showed an amazing amount of grace toward that man's family and especially toward his wife after he'd committed such atrocities to their children. Grant it, she had NOTHING to do with her husband's crime, but it must've been exceedingly difficult for the families to face their children's killer's wife and look into her children's faces, knowing their father took the lives of their children and/or mamed them.

To me, Eddie Harper and his family are doing the same thing to Vincent Brothers. It's a beautiful picture of the grace and mercy of God at work in people's lives. I only pray that Vincent takes a hold of the life preserver that the Harpers have tossed out to him. It truly is his last hope: Jesus.

Anon. but not for long...
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:55 PM

anon 12:12, Get over it the jury determined there was no reasonable doubt. That is why they convicted him. Now that he has been convicted thay are saying kill the killer.

And Rie or Marie or whoever it really does not matter. I know you think you know this man. But I have to ask. How well did you really know him? Did you know about all his personal problems? Did you know about his past indiscretions? How familiar were you with his children? Did you know that his wife was afraid of him? The list goes on and on. I know it has been said here before but how well do any of us really know someone. We only know what they show us. No one wants to show the world their ugly side. Things happen that can trigger a person to do things that no one ever thought they would do. People snap every day and sometimes they do things that are totally out character and irrational. I also read your gang killing theory. I am certain that theory was considered and looked into during the initial investigation. This killing just does seem to be gang style.

posted by countyork on May 30, 2007 at 12:53 PM

If the jurors are racist, what does that make Eddie Harper for believing Brothers guilty?

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:52 PM
anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:47 PM,  I am sorry if the truth hurts, but live with it!

Oh and thanks for sharing the personal history, it clear up the perspective....just an honest Bakersfield good ole boy!!
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:47 PM
Anon. 12:12pm.,

Are you the guy who was walking with Vincent Brothers' mother and family on the news yesterday? You know, the one shooting his mouth off and making a fool of himself? If not, are you related? Your comments rival the idiocies of his.

Grow up and start making some sense.. please.
Stop with all the, "this is Kern.. kill the black... "

I grew up in Kern, dated a black person, had black friends and I'm not black. I'm what you'd consider to be the enemy, yet I don't have a problem with people of other colors. I see the beauty in diversity. Apparently, you don't.

You're too blinded by your own bigotry.

posted by jfrancais on May 30, 2007 at 12:47 PM

Anon,

 I was saying that in response to the idea that the death penalty gives the family some type of vindication. I was also refering to the few snippets of Michelle Baptiste and the other friend. I didn't hear or read anything from Eddie Harper favoring (or not favoring) the death penalty. The impression I get is that they (Harpers)  are grounded in their faith and are praying for Brothers to get his soul right and repent for his wrongdoings.

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:44 PM
"Why is the NAACP taking the side of Brothers? " just to balance the case, or should the KKK have all the say. After all they had 12 reps on the jury.
posted by countyork on May 30, 2007 at 12:40 PM
Why is the NAACP taking the side of Brothers?   One would expect the NAACP to share outrage that the lives of three innocent children have been snuffed out.   Rather than condemning the system and rallying to support a child-killer they should be standing side by side with the Harper family.   I guess it's more conducive to profits to paint Brothers as the victim of a racist prosecutor and jury when it's completely belied by the facts.   A racist prosecutor does not work so passionately hard to secure justice for a murdered black family, and a racist jury doesn't sentence someone to death for killing black people.   Those so quick to paint the Kern system as racist do damage to their cause when they somehow ignore that the victims were black.    I'm not saying that anyone pro-Brothers condones the murders but in their quest to make a martyr of Brothers they have shown a complete and total disregard for the real victims in this case, the Harper family.    The people blindly supporting Brothers and so casually dismissing the real pain of Eddie Harper and so forth by insisting that the guilty verdicts should be overturned, well, I find that incomprehensible.  
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:39 PM
jfrancais,

When you say the family of the victims are not really in favor of this whole death penalty thing, are you referring to Joanie's friend, Michele's comments yesterday on the news, or did you hear from Eddie Harper?

I'm just asking out of curiosity, because I saw her (Michele's) comments stating that she was hoping for life without parole, etc., but so far, I haven't seen Eddie Harper speak against the death penalty sentencing unless I missed something, which could be the case.

(This is Anon. from 12:02pm.)

When I figure out a decent screen name, I'll make myself "official". Until then, it's "Anon. ____pm. or ___am."  It's the best I can do at this point.
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:12 PM
In Kern for a Black man Reasonable doubt = Kill the black  b.......!
posted by jfrancais on May 30, 2007 at 12:11 PM
Point well taken. That is a different perspective that I must admit I did not totally take into account. It's also true that the courts have made a decision and as citizens we must honor it. I have the impression that the family of the victims are not really in favor of this whole Death penalty thing, however.
posted by LadySandee on May 30, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Very well put anon---------
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 12:02 PM
The term "bring to justice" in Webster's dictionary states, "to cause (a wrongdoer) to be tried in court and duly punished".  That's the justice I was referring to.

Certain crimes in the state of California carry a death penalty if one is convicted of committing them. Vincent Brothers has been convicted of 5 of them. In the opinion of 12 jurors, he deserves that sentence. It's not just one person's opinion and it's not as if they just decided on a whim that he should get this. He EARNED it. Nobody put him in that position. He got there by himself.

Regarding your uncle, I am sorry for your loss.. I can't begin to know what you and your family have gone through.

Perhaps what we all think of "justice" is open for interpretation. Here's the deal, though,  in California at least, the interpretation is left for the courts to decide and one of our courts decided that death would be the proper justice for Vincent Brothers' crimes.

I still believe that there are simply some crimes that mandate that  we not allow such a person to continue to live on this planet after what they've committed against another human being-much less five human beings. Although prison is by no means a  playground, there are far too many benefits to prisoners when compared to their deceased victims:

They breathe.  Their victims don't.
They can laugh.  Their victims can't.
They can have visitors.  Their victims' families can never see their loved ones again (apart from pictures and videos) this side of Heaven.
They may marry and possibly have children again (even while behind bars!).  Their victims can't.
They get their meals, healthcare, education, etc. paid for by the government.  Their victims' families PAY for all of this through their taxes.

The list goes on.. This kind of justice (life without parole) just doesn't seem very "just" to the victims' families when you look at it this way, does it? 

Any way one looks at this situation, it is terribly unfortunate. That's why we have laws against murder. It's obviously NOT good. It's destructive and its ramifications are immense. I mean, even Vincent Brothers' family (the part still living) is suffering because of this. He chose very poorly to say the least. His actions have destroyed two families; both his own.

One can only pray that he will take a long, hard look at himself and realize his desperate need for Jesus.



posted by Rie on May 30, 2007 at 12:01 PM
To anonymous- er one of you...yep, real picture and real name...actually maRIE but thats just silly stuff. I will never believe he could do this- and if you knew him, you wouldnt either-He was and is a calm, rational...but definitely human person. I hope this whole thing gets worked out.Now...I've said my piece and counted to 3...over and out on this topic.As for the phone number? sure...it's 833-975
posted by LadySandee on May 30, 2007 at 11:59 AM

Well Random-- I hate to disappoint you BUT I am NOT in an "organized religion"........

I am but a sinner SAVED by the grace and Mercy of God.

posted by randomfactor on May 30, 2007 at 11:57 AM
I'm saying that far too few Christians have the guts to follow His example.  Organized Christianity has largely reduced "morality" to "what goes where in sex."
posted by jfrancais on May 30, 2007 at 11:55 AM

Random-

Are you saying that popular opinion as well as faith play a part in organized religion?

posted by LadySandee on May 30, 2007 at 11:54 AM
To jfrancais--I am sorry about your uncle..and yes defining justice is open to interpretation. We are many people with  different opinions and interpretations.  When innocent childern are killed , it , ( in my simple opinion ) is much more a horrendous act. NOT that any murder isn't horrendous in itself.  And I'll be honest--if I lost a child so viciously.. well...being human  who knows (?)...And if that statement makes me a hypocrite--so be it..
posted by antiextremism on May 30, 2007 at 11:52 AM

And I would have to say that Random is invoking Jesus just to demonstrate that most Christians hardly follow Christ's teachings. That should be pretty obvious. When you purport to be a Christian, you must make sure that the only quote you give is actually by Him, and not by his less forgiving Father. Although I do think Jehovah has mellowed with time, that usually happens after you have a kid. Unless you're a sociopath like Vincent Brothers.

posted by randomfactor on May 30, 2007 at 11:38 AM
LadySandee, I would guess that *MOST* of the "yes" votes are from hypocrite Christians.  It's the nature of the (organized) religion.
posted by jfrancais on May 30, 2007 at 11:35 AM
...so more yes votes confirms your religious beliefs and values?
posted by LadySandee on May 30, 2007 at 11:31 AM

 A "PS"

I was looking at the Poll results for "Should Brothers get death penalty"...

 So far 562 said yes-109 said no- and 61 said not sure....I would be curious to know how many of the YES votes are us "Hypocrite Christains".......??????????????????

posted by jfrancais on May 30, 2007 at 11:22 AM
Does justice equal killing (executing) someone else for those that are already dead? I lost my uncle at the hands of another man (a couple blocks from the Harper Murders, actually) but I think jail time and forgiveness will do. I guess the whole idea of how we define justice is open to interpretation.
posted by LadySandee on May 30, 2007 at 11:05 AM

Thx to all who have "defended" my comments-

 To Timec--no I am not ashamed to call myself a Christian-nor am I a hypocrite. I can't help but wonder if it were YOUR family members laying 6 ft underground, would you not want justice?? My being a Christian has nothing to do with my feelings on the Death penality, and I'm sure I don't stand alone.   IF ( and I say IF ) that is wrong in Gods eyes--well I'm not perfect BUT forgiven. I sin and fall short everyday and will do so as long as I am in the flesh.

 It seems to me that so many of the comments on this case have turned into personal attacks instead of the the "subject".

 Re/ The Victims.....

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 10:54 AM
my bad
posted by sagefever on May 30, 2007 at 10:52 AM
Oh youwhooo~ that statement was about another case not the Brothers trial..try to read and retain,,,
posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 10:46 AM

"the poor Mom is beside herself"

  I know the answers to these questions already but I will just present the questions. Where is Brother's father? Did he know his father? Did Brothers have a role model in the home showing him how to be a father? Was he ever a father, (or a husband) to any family he started? Brothers was one of nine children in his household-How many of those children have found themselves on the wrong side of the law?- I won't go further but for the people who claim to "know" someone do you really know their history- where they are from. This is a sad story all around.

posted by anonymous on May 30, 2007 at 10:42 AM
Brothers gives a day-by-day account. - posted Tuesday April 24, 2007 at 02:49 p.m., (In April Archives) . Vincent Brothers testifies on Friday July 4, he woke up at about 6:30 a.m. or 7:00 a.m.  He spoke with his Mother & sister & neice about 9:00 a.m.  He called for his wife on the Cellular telephone.  On Friday he had his cellular telephone.  He kept the phone with him that weekend.  That afternoon, he placed a call on his cellular telephone to his wife.  She was fussing with Marquis because he had taken the cordless phone & had put it inside of a shoe.  Joanie said she would more than likely be going out of town to visit relatives.  In:  Brothers Discusses Crash in Ohio. - posted Tuesday April 24, 2007 at 03:41 p.m.  After Vincent Brothers left the house on July 6, 2003, (same day of bicycle incident), he saw the rental car in front of Melvin Brother's house.  He called the wrong # first calling the principal.  He called home to P Street, but nobody would answer.
posted by sagefever on May 30, 2007 at 10:24 AM
Steve ~that is what i said~the base their opinion on what is presented~no argument there.I worked with the Grandmother in the McCuan case,she was a nice woman,unfortunately she did go to trial~her life was ruined.I worked with her at a hospital,if you think you've heard ridiculous slander on these blogs,she was tried and fried by some staff~and I agree with you on that also,black vs black crime is hardly racist,but I also understand how many of these folks actually know someone of another race let alone interact with them or have any empathy..I know I would hold that job very seriously ~remember my blog?Some posts here are the things that scare me,granted those things that are said here, would not be uttered in a jury room~but if they are in a persons mind...Again I hope justice is served..I vote for life behind bars.I will email you with the info~Thanks Steve,the poor Mom is beside herself.She is a strong Christian but..well you can imagine.
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