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ChicoEsquela - > MOO! -> My favorite line in the "debate" last night!
My favorite line in the "debate" last night!
To Fred Thompson:

"Do you own any guns? If so what kind and how many?"

Fred: "I do, but I'm not telling you what they are or where they are!"

Take that CNN and your inane Youtube "debate"!
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posted by ChicoEsquela on Thursday, November 29, 2007 at 07:24 AM
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posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 07:27 AM

Fred Thompson's was great but Huckabee's was good too when asked WWJD (what would Jesus do) in public office and he said:

"Jesus was far too smart to ever run for public office!"

posted by robbwillis on Nov 29, 2007 at 07:31 AM

I liked Romney's impression of Rain Man when asked if he believed every word of the Bible. 

posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 07:32 AM
I think that Romney guy is an idiot and he talks out of both sides of his mouth. I like Fred Thompson but he and I differ on a few issues.Guliani is a weiner.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 07:52 AM

Romney wiffed the bible one no doubt!

Rudy really expressed my opinion when he talked about it being allegorical.

Of course Huckabee would hit it out of the park being a preacher and all!

I still think Rudy with Huck or Fred as veep (which is what I think Freddie wants in first place) is the ticket to beat Her Thighness......

posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 07:59 AM

Worst line: "I carried a 45 when I was a pilot in vietnam before getting shot down!"

 Jebus McCain, didn't you learn anything from John Kerry's campaign follies?

posted by robbwillis on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:00 AM
Trancredo and Hunter could be replaced by cadboard cut-outs and nobody would be the wiser.
posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:01 AM
John McCain wants to shoot somebody you can just tell......lol
posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:02 AM
Rob- Who? :-O
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:06 AM

"Trancredo and Hunter could be replaced by cadboard cut-outs and nobody would be the wiser."

Ron Paul too, you'd just have to have a servo-motor shaking it..................

posted by adampayne on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:22 AM
The debate last night showcased two honest individuals (Huckabee and Paul) surrounded by a group of political panderers. Romney and Giuliani showed themselves as men totally without scruples during the entire debate. I found it very telling that Romney's response to the question of inner city black-on-black crime spoke with such a white bias regarding the African-American circumstance. Lack of family and having kids born out of wedlock is the biggest reason for this urban gang violence according to Romney. Of course, it totally ignores all the other inner city crime with Latino gangs, Asian gangs and every other impoverished ethnic gang-group waging war against  itself  with  increasing intensity where this is not the issue.  Poverty and hopelessness are the reasons for the continuing violence, and not one person during the debate said one word about it or offered one idea about the need for major investments in our crumbling urban cores.  Romney is pure white bread, who has absolutely no clue about multi-grain nourishment. 

Fortunately for the nation, Giuliani finds his sun already setting as more information comes out on his security company workings with the very people he labels as terrorists.  This story has legs and Rudy's client list will be his undoing.

I'm no fan on the positions either Mike Huckabee or Ron Paul espouse, but I do admire greatly their integrity and willingness to openly express their vision while offering Americans an honest choice for a change. IMHO these guys were both the clear winners of this latest youtube debate.
posted by robbwillis on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:24 AM
They should have all the Republican debates on Fox. I miss the monkey-wrenched post-debate telephone poll where Ron Paul wins in a landslide and Hannity has to report it. Classic television... 
posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:24 AM
I don't think Huckabee is honest.  And Paul's nuts.  *HONESTLY* nuts, true, but nuts.
posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:40 AM
Huckabee reminds me of a televangelist.
posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 08:57 AM
Wasn't it Huckabee that was talking about how it is ok to be pro life and  be pro death penatly?
posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 09:19 AM
That's all of 'em.  Pro-torture, too. 
posted by Baylee on Nov 29, 2007 at 09:26 AM
Well I am so discouraged by these candidates, none of them impress me that much.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 09:31 AM
I could happily vote against every single one of them.  And will.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 09:49 AM

but Adam, you don't think Hillary is a panderer?

Obama? Edwards?

Come on!

The only one who isn't is Kucinich IMO!

 

posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 10:00 AM

Clinton, yes.  Colin Freaking Powell? 

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Still with that, she's better than every single one of the R's running.  But I *STILL* would rather vote for a Democrat.

posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 10:34 AM

I'm changing registration for primary and voting for Dennis

Kucinich vs. Huckabee

 

Now that's a real choice!

posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 10:37 AM

I'd vote for *MRS* Kucinich for first lady.  DK would be head-and-shoulders above any Republican alternative.  Even from way down there.  I applaud him for tilting at the impeachment windmill when so few will. 

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Of course, I'm still holding out for a January, 2009 impeachment.

posted by adampayne on Nov 29, 2007 at 11:34 AM
I do think that Hillary Clinton is a political panderer. Hillary does the exact same thing on the trail, and in the debates, that both Romney and Giuliani do. She equivocates. The answers are always a hedge, a dodge from any real principle. Although, her posture on positions is more closely aligned to mine, I fervently do not wish to see her as President. Her candidacy simply affirms the dynastic reality America has sunk to yet again. Connections and money always matter more than substance. Substance never gets the media buys.

I find the views of both Huckabee and Paul to be alarmingly extreme, but admire both guys for standing up for their puzzling positions.  At this point in time, I want any candidate who has a vision that can get American back on track, and who cares about average people passionately.  Americans deserve universal health care, livable wages and equal opportunity to succeed. We simply do not have these precious elements at this time, and maybe we never did as a nation. But during a goodly portion of my lifetime government was making sure our best efforts were going that way.

I've stated on these blogs many times that John Edwards is the only candidate I support. He forced the other major candidates in his party to put positions on the table for health and economic welfare. I know he recognizes the vast inequities of our current system, and he has fought the multinationals and won. The status quo is very worried about John Edwards, and to a lesser extent Barack Obama, because these candidates to varying degrees represent real change on the horizon. Both speak to a populous fed up with cronyism and diminished opportunities in a nation run by an Ivy League aristocracy that usually gets to hand pick the candidates we are allowed to vote for.

 
posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 11:37 AM

I'm voting at least once for Edwards.  Twice, I hope.  I'd love to see Edwards/Obama, because after eight years I think Obama would be ready for the White House.  Especially having weathered national campaigning as veep.

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Spam code NOW IS the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party. 

posted by sagefever on Nov 29, 2007 at 12:21 PM
I watched "Die Hard"..yip eh hey(?) and all that.Anyone but Ms. Clinton.
posted by adampayne on Nov 29, 2007 at 12:25 PM
Baylee, it is no surprise why Huckabee would remind you of being a televangelist. He was a radio personality for thirteen years and was a Baptist minister. That's pretty good televangelist street cred.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 12:42 PM
The "Hillary Campaign Plant" Gen. Kerr was Interviewed by CNN in 2003 and here is a link to some talk about it:   http://nicedeb.wordpress.co...   interview with him regarding the topic of gays in the military.
CNN pretending to feign ignorance on this is a joke. (they can't use Google?)
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 12:53 PM

A better link to CNN knowing about Kerr and his bias is here:

http://newsbusters.org/blog...

posted by Bluesheets on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:08 PM

I was somewhat disappointed by the questions, McCain and Huckabee were too easy on aliens and their kids.

I didn’t hear who is going to debunk Al Gore’s theories on Global warming or who is man enough to pull the trigger pre-emptively on Iran, or which of our candidates will step up and support permanent Military bases in Iraq. I also wanted to know if any of our candidates would ever be sorry enough to criticize any action by Israel our best ally in the middle-east

But worst of all not enough mention was made of Hillary, the anti-Christ.

posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:44 PM
When they have a real debate--and this goes for both parties--with real questions and time for substantive answers, I'll watch. Right now it's a low-rent copy of "American Idol", only without the singing. Or what passes for singing, these days. I have expect to see the potential candidates doing "Dancing with the Stars" before too long.
posted by adampayne on Nov 29, 2007 at 01:55 PM
Bluesheets, why would we want to "pull the trigger" with a preemptive act of war on Iran? How does Iran really threaten America today. I don't see Iran as major threat to the United States, an annoyance to certain policy plans potentially, but no real threat. Why do they bother you so much?  Too much Faux News causing some discomfort?

We're quickly running out of friends in the rest of the world, which should signal a toning-it-down-type-of-stance while getting our own house in order. The cost of our misadventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, both complete and wasteful failures of the stated missions, have put our country at risk and into massive debt. What have we gained in the nearly five years of combat? Are we loved and revered by Persian and Arab, Muslim or Sikh after our unilateral actions to install new governments in Iraq and Afghanistan? What we will gain with a preemptive strike?
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:00 PM

Adam, just what friends did you think we had that we no longer have?

I doubt our real "friends" have changed allegiances one bit.

Examples please.............

posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:28 PM

Andrew Sullivan's blog has the best take I've read on the so-called debate:

I'm not a fiscal liberal, or a supporter of the death penalty, or someone who believes that a candidacy for the presidency of the United States should be based on someone's religious faith. So Huckabee is not for me. But he is easily the most appealing candidate for the current big-spending, evangelical, Southern Republican party. I don't find his religious schtick in any way appealing. It's glib in one area where glibness really is inappropriate. To say something like "Jesus was far too smart to seek public office" may have a superficial appeal, but it is also a cheapening of Jesus' radical injunction to forswear worldly power and wealth. To use such a cheap line to score a laugh in a political debate is not something I find particularly admirable.

But among the crowd on stage, Huckabee seemed by far the most congenial candidate. Paul is much clearer; McCain soared tonight, in my view. I think McCain's experience, independent streak, fiscal responsibility, moral core, and national security mastery make him easily the best viable candidate on stage. Yes, I am immensely proud of Ron Paul. And after Iraq, I find his non-interventionism far more credible than McCain's full neocon jacket. But experience does count; and McCain is in a class of his own in wartime.

Nonetheless, it's clear that today's Dixie-based, pro-torture, anti-immigrant GOP will find it very hard to accept the bipartisan, anti-torture supporter of comprehensive immigration reform as its candidate. Romney really is a tool. Giuliani is just too urban for the party Rove has built. So you can see why Huckabee is rising. I bet he's on a roll now. As "Richelieu" puts it, he does have the most important qualification of anyone on stage: A degree in Bible Studies from Ouachita Baptist University of Arkadelphia, Arkansas.

Think of tonight as Rove's Frankenstein moment.

posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:35 PM
Reportedly, on the Bible question, no one was smart enough to cite Article VI, section 3 of the Constitution.  (I didn't watch the debate, have proudly not seen any of them.)
posted by robbwillis on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:46 PM
It was disappointing when they cut to a commercial and didn't get all candidates to respond to the Bible question, predictable as the answers were bound to be.
posted by Bluesheets on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:54 PM

We still have Israel as a friend. Do we want or need more?

posted by mattloch on Nov 29, 2007 at 06:06 PM
noone: "(from Andrew Sullivan-) To say something like "Jesus was far too smart to seek public office" may have a superficial appeal, but it is also a cheapening of Jesus' radical injunction to forswear worldly power and wealth. To use such a cheap line to score a laugh in a political debate is not something I find particularly admirable."

Ah, but Jesus wouldn't have run for office as a Republican for those reasons. His philosophy would have made him right at home as a (D).

But everybody knows he was just a long-haired hippe libural, anyways......
posted by RoyTullis on Nov 29, 2007 at 10:33 PM
If a Democrat (any of them) wins the election there will not be a second term. Four years will be enough for the American people to remember what they are like.
posted by nooneisabovethelaw on Nov 29, 2007 at 10:47 PM
Right, Roy. You keep reminding yourself of that. Carter's the only one term Democrat of the 20th century, I believe, who stood for re-election and didn't win.
posted by Oenghus on Nov 30, 2007 at 04:51 AM
posted by randomfactor on Nov 29, 2007 at 02:35 PM  Reportedly, on the Bible question, no one was smart enough to cite Article VI, section 3 of the Constitution.  (I didn't watch the debate, have proudly not seen any of them.)  It is not applicable.
posted by allRED on Nov 30, 2007 at 06:24 AM

"AS Rush says"      &nb sp;  Keep a few Lib,s around       & nbsp;      if we can make it past this election    we might be around another 20 years.

Ron.

posted by NancyII on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:14 AM
Main Entry: 1de·bate
Function: noun
Pronunciation: di-'bAt, de-
: a contention by words or arguments: as a : the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b : a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides

When they start having actual DEBATES,  I'll start watching them.  But as long as it's a set up question and answer session, I'll pass.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:17 AM
Random, listen to Oenghus. Better yet, try and refute him...... Airborne! Hoorah!
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:19 AM

Nancy, not only was it not a debate, it was spring loaded by the Clinton Campaign for the use of the Clinton News Network to attack the hapless Repubs

who were to damn dumb to say no to this travesty

like the Dems did to Fox................

posted by NancyII on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:25 AM

Too bad they had to use shills huh?  

These things are nothing more than a chance to give their opinion on a topic picked by questioners..and questionable ones at that. 

Lets see some REAL debates between candidates and not between all the Tom Dick and Harry's lined up like crows on a fence line.  Hopefully when it's narrowed down to just the two main candidates we'll see how well they really do.  And then I'll watch.

 

posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 30, 2007 at 07:28 AM

Can you imagine the dust up had Fox News done what CNN did?

Just think about it!

Of Coors the Dims were at least un-Dim enough to refuse to appear on Fox

posted by TomW on Nov 30, 2007 at 08:43 AM
Grover Norquist was hardly the standard American citizen with his tax question.  My understanding of the debates is that the moderators make up a list of questions and then scan the submissions for videos that match those questions.  My guess is that if they don't get submissions, they ask certain people to send in stuff on certain questions.

As for Democrats skipping the FOX debate, one of the reasons was that FOX said they would not allow other networks access to the tapes.  Also, FOX isn't a news channel, they're infotainment.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 30, 2007 at 08:58 AM

Why should the Democrats attend a debate run by the RNC?  Look how much the 'Publicans objected to *ONE* questioner tied however remotely to a Democratic candidate....

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It *IS* applicable.  There, I have refuted him.

posted by TomW on Nov 30, 2007 at 09:09 AM
RF, I think Chico meant Oenghus' statement on the idea of religious tests.  I don't think it passed that level.
posted by ChicoEsquela on Nov 30, 2007 at 12:24 PM

  Also, FOX isn't a news channel, they're infotainment

and slobbering ranting Kieth Olberman is not?

Clinton News Network is what?

Fox is over your head

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