"But please, do not come here and whine that you're being denied the right to practive your sport."

On the same note please do not come here and to an open blog as you suggested and tell us to quit whining, when if you read the rules above the comment box we are within our guidelines.

You opinion, more than welcome obviously, your telling us to quit whining and go away............ dont look if you dont want.

Thank you

Heres the sum of it. Im not complaining that we cant practice on the air strip, im complaining that there is absoulutly no where we can pracitce. there are a few spots we go, which i will not mention where, that we can go that are less traveled but we have been chased off before and we still run a huge risk of being fines and/or arrested if caught even though these places see no traffic. Untill that time that we do have a spot, there will ALWAYS be that idiot you see on the freeway doing a tank spreader going 90MPH.

I believe the point has been made and the rest must be followed up outside this forum.  There is so much energy around this topic but we do not need to lose site of the issue.  What can we all as a community do to help resolve this for everyone.  If all this energy was used to find a solution we woud be that much closer to ending this.  Don't be so negative.  Help these riders find an acceptable means to enjoy what they do safely.  They are trying.  I don't know if they are learning by trial and error or trial by fire here.  Keep seeking answers and trying to find a resolutions "Syncalryder".

It is 4:45 pm. What did the city officials say today that you contacted regarding doing stunts inside the airpark? Or is this just all talk?

city owned property that everybodys tax money pays for but cannot use unless you own an airplane?

maby deversify the use of the property for all taxpayers to use.

like the idea for different nights for different events.

the mayor could even make bucks for his ambulance service.

  Im thinking airports charge landing fees.  I know they charged airlines who were training with  T&G's at Meadows Field.  (use of runway)   

Are the "Stunters" prepared to pay a user fee?

Why wouldnt we? We pay for everything else we do. IE: Group rides that other groups have to raise money. We do fund raisers for the community. We hold several events each year for our fellow riders who are no longer with us. We raised over $10,000.00 for Jared Browns family and son Jordan with-in the last two weeks. When it is a cause for us to pay for something we are very well ready to pay a fee. Join us at one of our Bike night gatherings they are every Tuesday night at Harmons Rocket Cafe. We call it JJ's in memory of our brother Jared who was working on the kinks to have a nice establishment like Harmons for us to gather and have a good time without the drinks. Thanks for the idea. If you have more keep them coming. Matter of fact we're working on having a skate night at Skateland every last Sunday of the month durring the summer bring the young one and slap some skates on.... Good day.

GSXR750

Bako Boyz 

HA!  The very thought of me slapping skates on is too funny for words.  You wanna see upside down..that would be me.

Look, I'm not the enemy here.  I spent years with the kids who rode M/X out of Tehachapi and I know how hard it is to find places to ride.  I explained that earlier.  My son started when he was 14 and still occasionally rides a dirt bike.  When he raced we had to pay entry fees which went toward track fees, insurance, and ambulance standby.  He's been a Harley owner for I dunno, 7-8 years now and I know all about bikers and fundraisers....all the bikers do a great job there.

My beef with this whole thing is the sense of entitlement (as I mentioned ad nauseum) in people assuming they can use any property they like for any purpose they like.  If I sound hard nosed about it, I guess I am.  I still fail to see that the lawyer in your midst did not know what you were doing at the airpark was NOT sanctioned by the owners of the airpark, namely, Kern County.  If I rented a few acres of land I could not give you permission to use it as a track without the owners consent.

THAT my friend, is what bothers me.  Not your bikes, not your stunting, not anything to do with bikes.  It has to do with property rights.  And it has to do with attitude and the sense of entitlement about those rights.

As was mentioned before hand the owner of Harmons gave us permission to be on the runway after hours. Coming to the conclusion from Tuesday nights event he isnt authorized to do so. Nobody seen anything wrong with us being on the runway (pilots and restaurant owner). That being said we are now aware of the PROBLEM that you have and also aware that you have been around motorcycles for sometime and I applaud you for that. You beef as you stated is the sense of entitlement. We are not claiming that we're entitled to be there, hell nobody is entitled to anything in the world. Here are my questions to you Nancy, Are you a pilot that has a plane at the airport? If the city owns property that is open for public use then its for public use. Lets say we were drag racers and we were testing a dragster would you frown upon that? How about a monster truck like Shocker which is a very visible truck inthe monster truck circuit. What if they were testing their truck. What is the difference? To add to your coment on attitude I feel that you have a negative attitude towards my blog. So from here on out if you comment I'll simply delete your negative comments.... Good Day.

GSXR750

So discussing it with you as I did in the above comment is negative enough for you to delete?  Apparently you aren't open to anything that doesn't agree with you 100%.   Whether or not I fly an airplane has nothing to do with anything.  And no, just because a property is open for public use doesn't mean there are no fees for using it or permission needed to use it for private events. My mention of the entitlement issue is in relation to some of your supporters who DID make comments to that effect.

Delete all you want.  That puts you in a category of bloggers who don't want any dissension or real discussion on their postings, they just want to editorialize.  Not one time have I violated any terms of service by calling names or insulting anyone.  I stated facts and asked hard questions but apparently you aren't ready to take any criticism.

Amazing..simply amazing...that's about as childish as you can get.  My suggestion is that if you're going to delete my posts, you delete all who disagreed with you, otherwise it will look like a personal vendetta.

The funny thing is I'm one of the few who support M/C sports.

True, it's city owned property, but it's there for a specific reason. It's NOT open to the public. Families can't picnic there in between the runways. You can't go out there and walk your dog up and down the property. And as you now know, you can't ride your bikes on the property. Also, the FAA has a say as to what goes on at airports.

Time to move on.

Thank you Blue. You have a great weekend my friend...

OB said the same thing I did and you thanked him???  This is really bizarre.

Not to worry..I really am done here.    ROFL..not many leave me shaking my head in wonder, but you managed.

Keeping it short and sweet.......    We do not feel we are entitled to anything, in fact I have what I need, the race track because I don't stunt. But I believe the stunters deserve the same. And yes they are willing to pay fees in order to stunt at this said spot. Stunt riding is a mainstream sport, but because its still in its early fazes, the riders are having to practice illegal to be point blank, in order to perform at shows that are attended by the same people who may ticket them. Not their fault they are doing their job, we understand. What we are trying to push for is a stunt practice spot for these guys. Nothing more than an open parking lot to say the least. City pays for development and maintenance of baseball fields. football fields, tennis courts, basketball courts, and even skate parks. We understand these have all  been sports for some time and this stuff all came in time. We welcome the public input and ideas on how to come about this. The only thing that sets us off usually is when we are criticized for our sport by people who just don't understand or like it. Most of this is usually due to being misinformed or having a bad experience with a sport bike rider in the past. We in no way endorse dangerous riding, and as said before never argue about us or someone we know getting a ticket if they are doing something stupid.   Hope that clarifies a little and shows are side on a more calm and cool headed view now =)

Seems the solution is simple: organize and pay for a location at which you can practice your sport. Create the equivalent of a "track" for your sport by buying or renting property and setting up all the necessary safety requirements. Alternatively, petion the city to provide such an area (although this will take a whole lot longer, look how long it took to get the skate park at Beech for example). Very few people will begrudge you for doing this (well, some may grumble about costs if you go the route of petitioning the city).

However, don't expect people to support you setting up an ad-hoc "track" at the any location without getting the appropriate permits/permission from the propery owner. You have the right to practice, but property owners, even the county, have equal rights to deny you access to their land or set limitations on how you can use the land. As the old saying goes, your rights end where my rights begin. Maybe the best bet for you guys now is to see if a private property owner will donate some practice space while you work on getting a more permanent location established.

Thank you very much for your input Shaine,

We are currently working on getting access to private land that is not used, with owners consent of course. Next battle is that in this day and age of sue happy people, it has made everyone so afraid of being sued that they don't want you to even look at their property lol. But hopefully in due time we will find the solution, and possibly get people to understand the protection against law suits provided by the California Penal Code.   ( Which I never thought would be something I would invest so much time into reading and understanding)        ;-)