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Infowar - > Crashing through the phony left-right paradigm -> NAZI Governor delays order to cut state workers' pay to minimum wage
NAZI Governor delays order to cut state workers' pay to minimum wage

Note: The videos on the left are from late 2004

 

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi

Governor delays order to cut state workers' pay to minimum wage

Monday, July 28, 2008

 

 

(07-28) 14:48 PDT SACRAMENTO -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger will wait until Thursday to sign an order slashing state workers' pay to the federal minimum wage and laying off thousands of other employees to save money during the impasse over the state's $17.2 billion budget deficit, a spokesman for the governor said today.

Administration officials said last week that the governor, who said he was frustrated by the nearly monthlong impasse, was set today to give the order, which would cut pay for about 200,000 state workers to $6.55 an hour. Their wages would be restored with back pay once a new budget is enacted.

A draft of the executive order obtained by The Chronicle also indicated the governor wants to layoff nearly 22,000 seasonal and student workers.

Aaron McLear, a spokesman for Schwarzenegger, said the governor decided to wait until Thursday, the first day of the new pay period for state workers, to give the order.

Still, questions remain about whether state Controller John Chiang will defy the governor. Chiang, who has the authority to disburse pay checks, has said he will not go along with the governor's plan if he signs the order, setting up a potential political and legal battle between the Republican governor and the Democratic controller.

The state is in danger of running out of cash by the end of September if there is no budget in place. Negotiations between the governor, Republican lawmakers and Democratic legislators who control the Legislature so far have not yielded a budet deal nearly a month after the new fiscal year began on July 1.

Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, D-Oakland, had planned to force a budget vote on the Senate floor on Tuesday but pulled the plug on that plan today, saying there has been progress in budget talks and he didn't want to "disrupt that progress."

E-mail Matthew Yi at myi@sfchronicle.com

 

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Schwarzenegger threatens minimum wage for workers

 

ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gVKofKbtJ2gCh_9py0AYs ipjglpAD9245OE8A

SACRAMENTO (AP) — Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is threatening to pay thousands of state employees the federal minimum wage of $6.55 an hour until lawmakers reach a deal on California's overdue state budget.

Democrats and Republicans have so far been unable to compromise on a solution to the state's $15.2 billion budget deficit for the fiscal year that started July 1. As the stalemate continued, Schwarzenegger has ratcheted up his rhetoric.

Spokesman Aaron McLear said the Republican governor is contemplating signing an executive order next week that would pay about 200,000 state workers the federal minimum wage, which is $1.45 an hour less than California's minimum wage.

Employees would receive their full salary retroactively once a budget is signed.

"Because the Legislature has failed to produce a budget over a month past their deadline and because we don't have a rainy day fund, the governor is looking at a number of options to make sure the state does not run out of cash," McLear said.

A draft of the executive order also said state agencies would be prevented from hiring any nonessential employees and would be forced to terminate about 20,000 contracts with temporary workers, interns and contractors. There also would be a ban on most overtime.

The administration estimates that immediately terminating the contracts and suspending overtime would save the state about $100 million a month. The deferred wages would take several weeks to implement, saving the state as much as $400 million a month starting in late August.

State Controller John Chiang, whose office pays state employees, criticized Schwarzenegger's threat as a political ploy that could end up costing the state even more in litigation fees.

"Forcing public servants to involuntarily loan the state cash by foregoing their hard-earned paychecks puts an untenable burden on our teachers, health care workers and those who provide critical public services," Chiang said in a statement.

"Cutting workers' salaries will do nothing meaningful to improve our cash position or help us make our priority payments."

The Service Employees International Union, which represents nearly half the affected workers, was considering legal action to try to block the move, spokesman Jim Zamora said.

"We're victims of this budget crisis. It's not our fault that the state Legislature and Governor Schwarzenegger can't come together to pass a balanced budget," he said.

The union represents about 95,000 clerical, office and civilian workers throughout the state.

Emergency, disaster and other critical workers would be exempt from the order.

Legislative leaders in both houses have said they are working to meet an Aug. 1 deadline. Without a spending plan in place by then, the state will have to start negotiating on expensive loans to address a cash shortfall that will affect state coffers by the end of September.

Democrats are seeking to raise taxes by $8.2 billion, while Republicans want to balance the budget mostly through cuts. Schwarzenegger said Tuesday that he will not sign a budget if it does not include long-term budget reform, such as a rainy day fund to help ease the state through tough economic times.

 

 

 

 

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www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/2003-08-2 4-arnold-father_x.htm

Records: Arnold's father was member of Nazi storm troops
VIENNA, Austria (AP) — It's just a tiny typewritten line tucked away in an immense archive, but it sheds further light on the Nazi past of Arnold Schwarzenegger's father.

The brief entry in one of millions of documents stored at the Austrian State Archives shows that Gustav Schwarzenegger, the late father of the film star now running for governor of California, was a volunteer member of the Sturmabteilung, or SA — the notorious Nazi storm troopers also known as brownshirts.

The father's Nazi Party membership and combat record in the German army are not new, and his son's dismay about it is well known. The revelations of SA membership that emerged a week ago add another strand to the murky story.

The "SA 1.5.1939" listing shows that the elder Schwarzenegger joined May 1, 1939, the year after Germany annexed Austria and six months after the brownshirts played a crucial role in the bloody Kristallnacht riots.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center, which in 1990 investigated Gustav Schwarzenegger's wartime past at his son's request, plans to conduct new research before the Oct. 7 California recall election to establish what the father's unit did, said Rabbi Marvin Hier.

Whatever it finds out, "We will give it to Arnold, then to the public," Hier told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from the center's Los Angeles headquarters. "Whatever the record shows, so may it show. Should that record have any bearing on Arnold Schwarzenegger himself? In my opinion, absolutely not."

The Wiesenthal Center didn't find the storm trooper reference in its 1990 investigation because that record was sealed until last year, 30 years after Gustav Schwarzenegger's death in 1972.

The new information was "negative," though SA membership is not considered a crime in itself, as membership in the Gestapo or the paramilitary SS would be, Hier said.

"We know what the SA and the Nazi Party stood for," he said. "Arnold knows this, and he's not proud of the fact that his father was a member of the Nazi Party and that his father was a member of the SA. This is a matter of deep embarrassment, but Arnold cannot be judged by his father."

Schwarzenegger campaign spokesman Sean Walsh said Sunday the actor continues to fight for equality and humanitarian ideals.

"His record regarding stamping out intolerance is absolutely rock-solid and he will continue to work closely with the Simon Wiesenthal Center to ensure that the attitudes and actions that occurred in the Nazi era never happen again," Walsh said.

Walsh doesn't believe the actions of Schwarzenegger's father will influence voters in the Oct. 7 recall election.

Arnold Schwarzenegger has donated nearly $750,000 to the center, raised millions more, and helped the organization fight anti-Semitism. Born two years after World War II ended, he long ago distanced himself from his late father's views and in 1991 he received the Wiesenthal Center's National Leadership Award.

Schwarzenegger successfully sued a British tabloid in 1989 and a journalist in 1993 for suggesting he held Nazi and anti-Semitic opinions. He won undisclosed libel damages.

The storm troopers, a paramilitary organization tied to the Nazi Party, played a crucial role in expanding Adolf Hitler's power.

They were part of the 1938 Kristallnacht rampage, during which more than 1,000 synagogues were destroyed. In its aftermath, about 30,000 Jewish men were dragged to Nazi concentration camps and several hundred people were killed or committed suicide.

Gustav Schwarzenegger became a member the following year, at a time when SA membership was declining. The troops had 900,000 members in 1940, down from 4.2 million in 1934, according to the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust," published in Germany and Switzerland.

Austrian State Archives don't have details about the elder Schwarzenegger's SA activities, and don't provide enough information to determine whether he was any worse than most Nazis, said Ursula Schwarz, a researcher at the Documentation Archive of the Austrian Resistance.

"You cannot judge that from these documents. You would need a whole lot more," she said.

There's no doubt that Schwarzenegger's father was a convinced Nazi; Austrian records indicate he joined the party on March 1, 1938, two weeks before the country was annexed. A separate record obtained by the Wiesenthal Center indicates he sought membership before the annexation but was only accepted in 1941.

But his past raises few eyebrows in Austria, where many have relatives who were Nazis.

Austrian newspapers, in stories proudly describing their native son's successes in a U.S. state much larger than his home country, mention Gustav Schwarzenegger's Nazi ties only in passing, if at all.

The Vienna daily Der Standard, in a recent story headlined "Arnie steps in: A man makes himself a legend," wrote that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face."

The archive records also include the elder Schwarzenegger's tattered ID booklet, with a photo of him sporting slicked back hair and a Hitler-style mustache. It lists injuries, hospital stays and medals. Another document says he saw action in Poland, France, Lithuania and in Russia, where he was wounded.

A health registry document describes him as a "calm and reliable person, not particularly outstanding" and assesses his intellect as "average."

Austrian authorities in 1947 determined that the elder Schwarzenegger could work as a police officer despite his Nazi past because there was no evidence he had committed war crimes.

 

 

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www.slate.com/id/2086742/

Arnold's Nazi ProblemWhy won't he repudiate Kurt Waldheim?


A slight Waldheim problem

Here's a question Jay Leno forgot to ask Arnold Schwarzenegger when he announced his candidacy for governor of California on last night's Tonight Show: "Will you renounce your support for Kurt Waldheim?"

A little refresher course may be in order. Kurt Waldheim, a widely esteemed former secretary general of the United Nations, was running for president of Austria in March 1986 when it came to light that he had participated in Nazi atrocities during World War II. Waldheim had always maintained that he had served in the Wehrmacht only briefly and that after being wounded early in the war, he had returned to Vienna to attend law school. In fact, Waldheim had resumed military service after recuperating from his injury and had been an intelligence officer in Germany's Army Group E when it committed mass murder in the Kozara region of western Bosnia. (Waldheim's name appears on the Wehrmacht's "honor list" of those responsible for the atrocity.) In 1944, Waldheim had reviewed and approved a packet of anti-Semitic propaganda leaflets to be dropped behind Russian lines, one of which ended, "enough of the Jewish war, kill the Jews, come over." After the war, Waldheim was wanted for war crimes by the War Crimes Commission of the United Nations, the very organization he would later head. None of these revelations prevented Waldheim from winning the Austrian election, but after he became president, the U.S. Justice Department put Waldheim on its watch list denying entry to "any foreign national who assisted or otherwise participated in activities amounting to persecution during World War II." The international community largely shunned Waldheim, and he didn't run for re-election. (This information comes from the1992 book Betrayal: The Untold Story of the Kurt Waldheim Investigation and Cover-Up, by Eli M. Rosenbaum and William Hoffer.)

One month after these revelations began to splash across the front pages of newspapers worldwide, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Maria Shriver held their wedding reception* at the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, Mass. Schwarzenegger, a native of Austria, had invited Waldheim to the wedding, which of course can't be held against him because the invitations surely went out well before the war crimes story broke. (Schwarzenegger, who held dual citizenship in Austria and the United States, had also endorsed Waldheim.) Waldheim didn't attend, but he sent a gift—a statue of Arnold, in lederhosen, bearing off Maria, who wore a dirndl. Admiring it, Schwarzenegger offered a tribute that stunned the assemblage into shocked silence (this is reported in Arnold: An Unauthorized Biography, by Wendy Leigh):

My friends don't want me to mention Kurt's name, because of all the recent Nazi stuff and the U.N. controversy, but I love him and Maria does too, and so thank you, Kurt.

Schwarzenegger's name remained on Waldheim's campaign posters. After Waldheim was elected, Schwarzenegger paid him a visit and was photographed with him. According to the New York Post's "Page Six" gossip column, Schwarzenegger was seen sitting beside Waldheim as recently as 1998, when the two attended the second inauguration of Waldheim's successor as president, Thomas Klestil.

In 1988, Schwarzenegger was asked in a Playboy interview what he thought of Waldheim. He replied:

I hate to talk about it, because it's a no-win situation. Without going into details, I can say that being half-Austrian and half-American, I don't like the idea that these two countries that mean so much to me are in such a disagreement. Austria is a very important place for Americans, because it is a neutral country. With a little bit of good will, the problem will be straightened out. I think it's well on the way.

Why on Earth didn't Schwarzenegger take this opportunity to speak out against Waldheim? It surely isn't because Schwarzenegger himself had any Nazi sympathies (though during the filming of the documentary Pumping Iron, he reportedly once made a foolish comment praising Hitler). Rather, Schwarzenegger was likely playing politics—to be more specific, Austrian politics and family politics. For years it was rumored that if Schwarzenegger didn't run for governor of California, he would run for president of Austria. Because Austrians have long resented what they see as Waldheim's pointless scapegoating, any firm denunciation would have ruled the latter possibility out. In addition, Schwarzenegger's mother had for many years lived with Alfred Gerstl, a prominent Austrian politician who rose to the top post in the upper house of Austria's parliament. Schwarzenegger reportedly addressed him as "Uncle." (Schwarzenegger's father, who died three decades ago, was a police official who had belonged to the Nazi party.)

Rather than confront his Waldheim problem head-on, Schwarzenegger has proclaimed his disgust for Nazism, raised money for education about the Holocaust, traveled to Israel (where he met with then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin), and given generously to the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, which in 1997 bestowed on him its National Leadership Award. "He wants no truck with … Waldheim," the Wiesenthal Center's Rabbi Marvin Hier told the Jerusalem Post. "He probably did not have any clue as to the seriousness of the allegations against Waldheim at that time [i.e., 1986]. To suggest that Arnold's an anti-Semite is preposterous. He's done more to further the cause of Holocaust awareness than almost any other Hollywood star."

Clearly, though, that won't be enough. If Schwarzenegger doesn't renounce Waldheim in a highly public way, he can forget about ever becoming governor of California.

Correction, Aug. 11, 2003: An earlier version of this piece stated incorrectly that Schwarzenegger and Shriver "exchanged wedding vows" at the Kennedy compound. In fact, they exchanged vows at a nearby church, then held their wedding reception at the Kennedy compound, where the scene described above took place. (Return to the corrected sentence.)

 

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Below: Why is Arnold showing off a Nazi Deaths Head on the cover of TIME?

No this is not photo shopped.  You can visit TIME magazines online cover archive to view this.


Here is the link: www.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,20070625,00.html

 

www.arnoldexposed.com/

The son of an SS nazi officer,
Schwarzenegger has publicly stated that
he has dreamed of being a dictator and that he
admires Hitler. He campaigned for war criminal
Kurt Waldhiem after it had been made public that he
was a top nazi.

The stories of Arnold's barbaric harassment of women are
legendary. He publicly admits to steroid and marijuana use.

He supported Enron chief, Ken Lay during the California energy
crisis and now his political operatives have launched a blitzkrieg
promoting him for President and seeking to end the Constitutional
bar against him holding that office. And there's more...

 

 

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posted by hotandfoggy on Jul 28, 2008 at 04:52 PM

I can't even believe he is even thinking about cutting the wages of state workers to the federal minimum wage.  California is expensive. You can not even survive at California's minimum wage.


posted by murphyslaw on Jul 28, 2008 at 05:13 PM

and your point is?

Just take a good look at this thing running for President, Obomby

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 05:17 PM

Yeah I agree.....Obama is filth & so is Mcinsane.


posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:11 PM

While I'm just as upset as most people that State Workers are about to be hit by this, using the term "Nazi" is a bit much.

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:18 PM

It's not a "bit much" look at the facts. Arnold is a NAZI supporting slime ball.


posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:23 PM

Info, as usual, you like to use verbiage in the attempt to draw people's attention to what you have to say.  I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even know what the term "Nazi" actually stands for.

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:23 PM

He is probably a literal NAZI. I mean he stated he admired Hitler & sports a NAZI symbol on the cover of time while hugging on a hardcore Globalist by the name of Michael Bloomberg. Arnold also supported NAZI criminal Kurt Waldheim

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:26 PM

Why don't you tell me what "Nazi" actually stands for? Are you a fascist sympathizer?

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 06:59 PM

Yes, Info, I'm the next Benito Mousolini.

 

The Belt Buckle which Schwarzenegger wore was a skull and crossbones, which many people have used throughout history for many different reasons.  Everyone from pirates to the famed "Skull and Bones" secret fraternal society has used the same symbol.  While many debate that it's a buckle worn by SS officers, if you actually know anything about WWII military history, you'd realize that the Death's Head is very unique - that buckle does not display a Death's Head.  As usual, you believe just about anything your nutjob websites will write. 

 

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 07:02 PM

Hell, the Oakland Raiders have a Skull and Crossbones (well, kinda) as their symbol.. do you think they're Nazi's too?  Maybe Arnold was just sportin' some Raider pride!

And what about the Tampa Bay Bucs?

posted by NancyII on Jul 28, 2008 at 07:16 PM

You know how caricatures exaggerate features?  That's what people like Info/maggie do with the garbage they dig up.

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 07:27 PM

Yeah but the Oakland Raiders don't support NAZI war criminals. I know Skull & Bones uses the Skull & Cross bones symbol. So what if you think you know something about WW II? Just because you read a few main line history books, that doesn't make you some sort of expert on Symbols, fascism & Secret Societies. You are completely ignoring all of the info about Arnold & his NAZI connections. You didn't even read the articles in this blog. One of them was in USA Today....to bad you are to lazy to research sources.

 

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 07:32 PM

Nancy....you can keep calling the Facts garbage, that doesn't make you right. I guess Arnold would have to put you in a camp & gas your family before you wake up. Things are only going to get worse in California & Nation wide.....actually the whole planet is going under the New World Order umbrella. Keep laughing at "people like me".....don't cry when you lose your job & home & end up in a tent city soup line. I hope things don't get worse but sometimes the truth is ugly & people need to get mad & take preemptive measures to stop tyranny from completely unfolding.

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 07:49 PM

Info - my focal point in my Bachelor's Degree in History delt with Nazi Germany.  I spent 4 years of my life devoted to the very research you seem to think I'm "too lazy" to do.  I've studied under extremely knowledgable professors such as Nathan Stoltzfus (Phd. Harvard), an extremely well respected Historian who focuses on the Nazi era. I'd say I have a lot more experience and understanding of Nazism, Nazi use of world symbols and their fascination with the occult than you'll ever be able to comprehend.

As far as Waldheim is concerned, while he was a member of the National Socialist party and served on the Eastern front, there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that he participated in or supported any crime against humanity.   Antisemetism was not confined to Germany, either.  In fact, the Dreyfus Affair in France in the early 1900's is clear indication that racial prejudice was widespread accross Europe (not to mention the rest of the world). The vast majority of Nazi Party members were not involved in atrocities.

Considering that Schwarzenegger does come from a Germanic background, I believe it is unfair to sit there and peg him as a Nazi sympathizer just because has ties to former Nazi Party members and happened to wear a belt buckle with a skull and crossbones on it.

 

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:00 PM

Oh poor Nazi Arnold. Let's just feel sorry for him.  He is a nice guy who means no harm. Nathan Stoltzfus......have you ever asked him about his views regarding global governance & Fabian socialism?

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:08 PM

Find me anyone who grew up in Austria or Germany who isn't connected to a former Nazi Party member (sans someone who's Jewish), and I'll be surprised.

posted by NancyII on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:09 PM

info ....My great grandparents immigrated here from Germany.  Who knows what their political leanings were?   I suppose that makes me a suspect in your nazi witch hunt.  Too bad you weren't around during the McCarthy era, you'd have fit right in.

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:27 PM

Floridagrad....what are your thoughts about our national sovereignty & Constitution? Do you think a global government will save the planet? Do you support population control & modern eugenics?

 

posted by Tolerance on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:29 PM

FSG: "In fact, the Dreyfus Affair in France in the early 1900's is clear indication that racial prejudice was widespread accross (sic) Europe (not to mention the rest of the world)." 

Florida, check your dates.  :0)

The Dreyfus Affair started in 1894. I did my Master's thesis about Edouard Drumont, his role in the Dreyfus Affair, and 19th century French Anti-Semitism.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:38 PM

Tolerance - I intentionally just stated early 1900's to prove that anti-semitism was not central to Nazi-era Germany alone.  I didn't feel the need to pinpoint the exact year that the event began, but thank you for including it into the discussion.

 

Info - What exactly are you asking regarding "national sovereignty & constitution?" Are you asking me to explain my opinion on whether I support strict or loose intrepretation of the U.S. constitution?  Please be more specific.

 

As far as "Global Government saving the planet," I believe that our Government, just like every Government, does not give us all the facts in an attempt to control the masses.  However, that does not mean I agree with the majority of conspiracy theories that are circulating. 

 

Define "modern eugenics" in your own words so that I know the context of your question.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:39 PM

btw.. Tolerance, what were the main points and conclusion of your thesis?

posted by johnburnssucks on Jul 28, 2008 at 08:45 PM

Nancy, that "New World Order" crap is what the John Birch Society is obsessed with. They see Joe McCarthy as some kind of twentieth-century messiah who was stopped before he could "expose" all of the "communists in the government." Birch Society founder Robert Welch claimed in his book that Eisenhower "was a communist."

Infowar probably has a subscription to "The New American" (the Bircher's monthly rag), and a "Get Us Out of the U.N." sign in his window.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 28, 2008 at 09:13 PM

Let it also be noted that Gustav Schwarzenegger was not an SS officer, though he was a member of the Nazi Party & SA and upon entering the military became an MP.  There is no evidence to suggest that he participated in any atrocities.

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Florida......do you enjoy lying?


posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Actually I am not all that familiar with the Birch society. Every once and awhile I read articles from jbs.org. They are usually spot on with their info at least the stuff I have read from their website. John Birch like any other large organized anti establishment organization was infiltrated by the spooks & Feds. Johnburnsucks Abbreviating your profile name is an insult to their organization. So you are doubting the New World Order is real?Why have countless world leaders called for a New World Order? Why is global governance a top priority for elite bankers like the Rockefeller's? So I bet you also think the Bilderberg group doesn't exist? lol Johnburns....you are one of the most misinformed people in Bakersfield. You should stand on the opposite side of the road from where the hippies stand. You would fit right in with the Neo-con chicken hawks and their Chinese made American flag. Not that the majority of those hippies have a real clue about anything other than cliche protest. Unfortunately a lot of them support that Globalist tool & Council On Foreign Relations minion "Barrack Obomba Iran".

Johnburns you have one thing in common with Leftist Obama supporters, you are both completely lost in the phony left-right paradigm.

Johnburns I bet you had a hardcore orgasm when McCinsane stopped by our lovely dust bowl. Were you one of the 200 douche bags who paid a thousand dollars to eat ghastly Seven Oaks food with the known criminal "song bird McCain"? I doubt you even had the bucks to attend? Keep armchair quarterbacking and making outlandish statements about how the New World Order agenda is imaginary. It's time that you wake up Mr. Johnburnsucks. 

 

 

 

posted by Infowar on Jul 28, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Florida....I am talking about trans humanism. The off spring of Eugenics.

Well Florida there is a real agenda being carried out to merge Canada, Mexico & the U.S. under a North American Union, just like the EU. It's called the security & prosperity partnership. SPP.GOV.....The New World Order is very real and it's time that you stop writing it off as a conspiracy theory & checkout the conspiracy facts.

 

posted by Shwaine on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:14 AM

Well, this started off as a nice post about current events. Then there was the Nazi non-sequitor Infowar threw in at the end that people only managed to ignore for three responses. Great way of taking the bait...

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:19 AM

Did you even read the articles after the so called "nice" post about current events? If you want to call the potential loss of pay & jobs for thousands of Californians nice.

 

posted by Shwaine on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:43 AM

I was actually referring to your post as nice (as in pleasant and on topic), not the events. Perhaps you need to retake a sentence structure class and study up on modifiers and the nouns they modify.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 07:48 AM

Info, I met someone just like you a few years back.. once you've met one, you've met 'em all, because you all have the same arguments.  Talk about being brainwashed.  What would you ever have done without the internet?

posted by johnburnssucks on Jul 29, 2008 at 08:59 AM

FSG, Info is the human equivalent of a Nigerian Scam letter. He has to post this stuff on the web, because face-to-face he couldn't sell you or I a pair of shoelaces. People generally know their limitations.

posted by AudreyB on Jul 29, 2008 at 09:07 AM

JBS

Loved your comment about infowar/Maggie.  I totally agree.   When people are too lazy to compose their own stuff or they can't  write well,  they filch other people's work off the internet to express their POV.  Chronic cut and pasters.  I don't waste my time with 'em.

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 10:31 AM

So because I posted the work of others,that makes it not true? You guys have spent so much time attacking me you haven't spent anytime reading the info I posted. It's not about me [edit.], it's about the info. You guys need to get your heads screwed on straight.

 

What the hell are you talking about Floridagrad?  For a smart person you make some really stupid statements. wow....

"once you've met one, you've met 'em all"

 

Ignore Johnburns......[edit.].


 

posted by NancyII on Jul 29, 2008 at 10:37 AM

It's not the fact that you posted the work of others that makes it not true.  It's because it's ludicrous no matter whose work it is.

The fact that you posted it at all is what's suspect as far as your concerned.

You really need to take your meds....that paranoia is really taking it's toll.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Info, much of the information that you post, while not always incorrect is often misinterpreted.  For example, I'll analyze one of the articles you posted, and show you where leaving out certain information would easily sway someone's opinion:

The brief entry in one of millions of documents stored at the Austrian State Archives shows that Gustav Schwarzenegger, the late father of the film star now running for governor of California, was a volunteer member of the Sturmabteilung, or SA — the notorious Nazi storm troopers also known as brownshirts.

So were millions of other Germans and Austrians.

This next portion I'll skip over some of the info that really has nothing to offer and instead anaylze the actual facts that are written in this article:

The "SA 1.5.1939" listing shows that the elder Schwarzenegger joined May 1, 1939, the year after Germany annexed Austria and six months after the brownshirts played a crucial role in the bloody Kristallnacht riots.

Take note of this date, as information I'll include later down this article will make a lot more sense when revealed.

"We know what the SA and the Nazi Party stood for," he said. "Arnold knows this, and he's not proud of the fact that his father was a member of the Nazi Party and that his father was a member of the SA. This is a matter of deep embarrassment, but Arnold cannot be judged by his father."

Take special note to "Arnold cannot be judged by his father."

The storm troopers, a paramilitary organization tied to the Nazi Party, played a crucial role in expanding Adolf Hitler's power.

The SA was originally formed after WWI by disgruntled Army veterans who were upset at the new German government who withdrew from the war, and in doing so brought down the wrath of the Allies in the Treaty of Versailles. Many felt that the war had been a stalemate, and that the Germans were not losing when they were told to return home by the new Weimar Republic.

They were part of the 1938 Kristallnacht rampage, during which more than 1,000 synagogues were destroyed. In its aftermath, about 30,000 Jewish men were dragged to Nazi concentration camps and several hundred people were killed or committed suicide.

Many people were involved in Kristallnacht, and there are plenty of first-hand accounts of non-Jewish Germans who were not Nazi Party members who participated in the rioting. 

Gustav Schwarzenegger became a member the following year, at a time when SA membership was declining. The troops had 900,000 members in 1940, down from 4.2 million in 1934, according to the "Encyclopedia of the Holocaust," published in Germany and Switzerland.

SA membership began to decline after the, "Night of the Long Knives" in 1934.  Hitler had recently become Chancellor of Germany, and realized that the SA posed a threat to his rule because it was still technically autonomous from the Nazi Party.  From June 30th to July 2nd, a carefully orchestrated plan unfolded in which SA leadership and other "cohorts" were arrested, and most executed, including he head of the SA - Ernst Rohm (whom Hitler was disgusted with for being a homosexual). Once Rohm was dead, Hitler appointed Victor Lutz as his sucessor, and charged him to erradicate all forms of debauchery, drunkeness, homosexuality, etc. from the SA. Many members of the SA were thus discharged from the ranks in the next number of years, which explains why the SA had been declining in membership when Schwarzenegger joined up.

Austrian State Archives don't have details about the elder Schwarzenegger's SA activities, and don't provide enough information to determine whether he was any worse than most Nazis, said Ursula Schwarz, a researcher at the Documentation Archive of the Austrian Resistance.

"You cannot judge that from these documents. You would need a whole lot more," she said.

The SA were nothing more than hired thugs who ran security detail and went around beating people up.  They were not the murders - that was left to the Gestapo, SS and Einsatzgruppen.

There's no doubt that Schwarzenegger's father was a convinced Nazi; Austrian records indicate he joined the party on March 1, 1938, two weeks before the country was annexed. A separate record obtained by the Wiesenthal Center indicates he sought membership before the annexation but was only accepted in 1941.

This is by far the most biased statement in the entire article.  There's no way to know why Schwarzenegger joined the Nazi Party and SA.  There are many well known cases where people joined the Nazi Party for the sole reason of self-preservation.  It might not be the most noble thing to do, but who is the article's author, or anyone else to judge?

Austrian newspapers, in stories proudly describing their native son's successes in a U.S. state much larger than his home country, mention Gustav Schwarzenegger's Nazi ties only in passing, if at all.

The Vienna daily Der Standard, in a recent story headlined "Arnie steps in: A man makes himself a legend," wrote that "Gustav, a high-ranking Nazi, brought up the bespectacled, rather frail boy with an iron fist and quite a few slaps in the face."

Have you ever been to Germany or Austria? No one likes to talk about the Nazi Era.  These people do not look fondly on that period of time, and it doesn't suprise me at all that they would not speak much about Gustav.  If it were up to them, they'd completely erase all recorded History from 1933 through 1945.

 

 

In conclusion, if you're going to post articles which talk about factoids, you should not consider them to be the whole truth unless you do your research and can back inferences up with reality. Would you like me to analyze more of the filth you copy and paste?

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:16 AM

So writing in bold & rationalizing makes you right? lol

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:19 AM

No, including the rest of the story does.

 

I would have thought you'd be smart enough to realize that I'm not throwing you made up information - I guess I was wrong.  I don't think you'd know historical accuracy of it hit you in the face.

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Well you can't erase history & neither can Arnold. Self preservation.....that is no excuse.

 

posted by AudreyB on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:27 AM

FSG

Even though Schwarzenegger's father was a brownshirt, and a Nazi party member during WW11 he still can't be held responsible for all the atrocities Hitler committed.   I wouldn't like it if someone in the future held me responsible for the War in Iraq just because I'm an American citizen.

And, even if  Schwarenegger SR. was fully aware of Hitler extermination plans for the Jews,  you still  can't condemn his son for the sins the father committed.   That wouldn't be fair, would it Infowar?

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 11:45 AM

Info - you need to learn from your own comments.  By stating only part of the historical reality, you might as well be erasing it.  I just gave you an informed and more complete historical analysis, and yet you choose to ignore it.  It's not my fault that you choose to ignore reality.

 

Audrey - To an extent, you're correct that you cannot blame Gustav Schwarzenegger for the Nazi atrocities.  However, there are many historians who argue that many in the German/Austrian public could have done things differently.  It's a much debated issue right now.  In my educated opinion on the subject, I'd say that the vast majority who were members of the Nazi party or SA were easily swayed by Nazi propaganda.  Goebbels was an extremely effective Propaganda Minister.  I believe every American should watch "Triumph of the Will" - a Nazi Propaganda film directed by Leni Reifenstahl.  It's probably the best brainwashing film ever made.  There were many factors during that time period which contributed to the overall sentiments of the German people, and it can be said that they were much more easily willing to follow someone like Hitler than a Communist, for example.  Gosh, I could write for days on the subject!

posted by AudreyB on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:21 PM

FSG

Considering the anger of Americans after 9/11  very few people who would have been willing to  forcefully challenged public opinion and and insist  that we not go to war.  By forceful challenge I don't mean making little speaches in the US or State legislative houses.  I mean people who wrote, campaigned, protested and laid down in front of tanks as a form of challenge. 

Very few people who felt the Iraqi war was wrong waged this kind of challenge and that was in America where our right to dissent is guaranteed.

Can you imagine how a person who openly challenged Hitler's regime would have fared.  Few people have that kind of guts.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:30 PM

Actually, Audrey, there are many well documented accounts where people did challenge the Nazi state openly.  There were student-led resistence groups such as the White Rose; Jehovah's Witnesses were long known to be extremely outspoken against Hitler; spouses of German-Jews who were not Jewish were extremely resistant.  Many of Hitler's own Generals realized how bad things were getting and made a few attempts on Hitler's life.  Erwin Rommel, one of the most well-respected military Generals and tacticians was executed for his role in one of these assassination attempts.

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:31 PM

 

Floridagad....did you know that Goebbels admired Edward Bernays? It's also interesting how Hitler got many of his Eugenics ideas from the U.S. Florida are you a supporter of China's one child policy?

 

Audrey if you are not taking action to inform others about the government lies that led us to war, you are part of the problem. The right to dissent is rapidly being erased.

posted by Infowar on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:34 PM

Floridagrad what do you think about IBM, Brown brothers Harriman & Prescott Bush's support of Hitler?

 

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:41 PM

Actually, Adolf Eichmann & Reinhard Heydrich were the founders of the "Final Solution" during the Wannsee Conference in 1942.  Prior to that time, Hitler was considering sending all Jews to Madagascar to live, as his original intention was not mass murder, but mass-deportation.

Please show me any primary source documentation which would counter these facts.

 

As far as China's policy on child-bearing, I don't agree with it; however I understand the reasoning behind it.

posted by AudreyB on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:42 PM

FSG

That's why I used the word few

 "Few people have that kind of guts."   I'm aware of the doomed challenges to Hitler's regime

Infowar

I wrote a letter to the BC before we went to war in Iraq.  AAMOF It was used as a letter of the week.   I compared the upcoming conflict in Iraq to the one in Viet Nam.   In addition,  I was the only person at work  (who was willing to voice an opposing opinion) who didn't want to wage an undeclared war.  I quit going on breaks because of the conflict I felt with everyone else.

Unfortunately we didn't have any tanks rolling through Bakersfield that I could lay in front.   Otherwise, I probably would have done that too.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:43 PM

Info - before you sit here and ask me all these questions, why don't you provide some concrete background?  I have no clue what you're talking about when you ask,

what do you think about IBM, Brown brothers Harriman & Prescott Bush's support of Hitler?

Refer me to a credible website, please.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Jul 29, 2008 at 12:47 PM

Audrey - There have been psychological studies and analysis of the German public's response to Nazism (.. and much of it is extremely interesting.  I'd reccomend reading Becoming Evil: How Ordinary People Commit Mass Genocide and Killing by James Waller.  There's a chapter in the book which focuses on the why many Germans ignored what was going on during the 3rd Reich.

posted by johnburnssucks on Jul 29, 2008 at 02:06 PM

Unfortunately we didn't have any tanks rolling through Bakersfield that I could lay in front. 

You wouldn't want to do that, Audrey. The 19-year-old student who stopped the tanks in Tiananmen Square was executed.

posted by AudreyB on Jul 29, 2008 at 02:10 PM

I thought he was imprisoned.   How sad.

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