It may be God and attending angels that Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck are still alive, seeing their enemy is really our own government that feeds and gets fat off illegal aliens and drugs.

Info:  I still can't understand why it is that certain people are so afraid of free speech.  If we don't stand up for free speech of even those with whom we disagree, we may then find ourselves in the same group as those who have been silenced.  Is this what we want our country to be?  We disagree with someone, so we shoot them?  

Those tactics often backfire, pardon the pun. 

Our government is our enemy?  Who sends you your Social Security check Sam?  And do you have the Medicare Drug Plan?

Drugs and Money.  Yeah, that's what's wrong with our government.

But why are you taking drugs and money  from your enemy? 

I paid into SS for over 50 years; can you say the same Audrey?

So you ARE receiving money and drugs from the government.  It confirms what I already thought. LOL

I just learned this morning that the wife of one of my U.S. senators has made -- for lack of a better term -- a killing off pharmaceuticals.  And I'm not talking about a retirement investment, either.  Those in places of "power" in the government are the best positioned to be able to profit from ill-gotten gains. 

Another of my senators has received farm subsidies for years -- as have many others in government.  Jay Rockefeller is one.  Like a Rockefeller needs a farm subsidy.  But, then, they're the ones who make the laws.  I suppose they figure that while they're at it they may as well do something useful -- for themselves. 

There's also the little matter of someone in the administration deciding there hasn't been a cost of living increase; therefore there will be no COLA in SS.  However, the lawmakers have an AUTOMATIC COLA adjustment.  That's so they don't have to go through the trouble every year of voting for another one.  They wouldn't want to take up the people's time that way. 

I know I'm cynical.  I believe it's justified, though. 

The government is suppose to be we the peoples servant, not the enemy.

Sadly the government has become a disgusting sore on the face of this Republic.

Sam I often wonder why Dobbs is allowed by the establishment to speak the amount of truth he does.

Now Beck on the other hand is a Judas Goat.

Info

Not perfect, but better than most of the world's population must endure.

Too bad you guys are so unhappy. .

I also receive a SS check -- for which I worked for many years.  I also am a member of one of those farcical Prescription Drug Plans, which is one of the biggest rip-offs the government has ever put in place.  I don't have time or space to tell all the ways it's rotten to the core.  For me it's a rip-off.  And it's still interesting to note that on the night this was voted into law, the floor of congress was crawling with pharmaceutical company lobbyists -- which is a big no-no.  It's also interesting to note that it was a (mostly) Republican congress that did this.  Unforgivable.  But it was too profitable for too many of them, Republican and Democrat alike. 

I knew you wouldn't have a civilized answer Audrey; which is why I banned you from my post. You can dish it out but you can't take it. How unhappy you must be. Alicen could tear you apart, but she is too civilized to do so.

Sam maybe you shouldn't ban people? I get annoyed by some of the people here but over all I don't care what people say in my blogs.I feel it's best just to let people spew out pretty much what ever they feel like saying. If people threaten me with violence or post something extremely obscene, that will for sure cause an issue but if people want to be A-holes...well I say let them do so. We all can come across as jerks sometimes, especially in the political arena. 

“If you’re not catching flak you’re not over the target”

Take what Sam?  Your  witty repartee?  Your scathing comebacks?  Your irrefutable counterpoints.  LOL

As to your question.

I started working in the potato sheds in Shafter when I was fifteen. I had to get a special permit from high school (stating that I was a stellar student) to get one.    I also worked at Mr Olsen's drive in at the same time.  From there I went to work for the County of Kern at age 19 in their public library system.   I worked there for 3 years.

Then I got married and took 5 years off to have my children.  During that time I went back to BC and got my AA degree. 

Then it was on to work for the next 30 years without a break or a vacation.  I worked 5 days a week at "work" and two days a week at home for the next 30 years.

I retired after being in the workforce 45 years.  Five of that off to start my family.

You, being a man, probably  didn't take time off to stay home with young children   Therefore,  you have a few more years in the old SS bank than I do.

Between the two of us we have 4 retirements we draw from.  We do fine.  And I thank my lucky stars, and our government, for the opportunities I've been given to make a living and raise my children.

edit:    oops I lied

We took one vacation with our kids about 15 years ago. 

Sadly the government you cherish so much Audrey is not going to reflect the positive aspects you admire. This government is quickly becoming a tyrannical monster. A scientific dictatorship is enveloping the globe as the New World Order takes shape.

Watch this video Audrey.

HA HA it's perfect for you.....

www.youtube.com/watch

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Info, I cherish the idea of a representative government, which I believe we have. No institution is perfect, but we keep trying, which distinguishes humans from the lower animals. We can only continue to strive to make a better world for all of us.

I admire your intelligence and dedication to your ideas, but I abhor your nihalism and negative attitude about our future. That is my problem with a lot of the people that post here - they are nothing but negative, no hope, just anger.

Hope is an empty word.

I love humanity & I know if people start to wake up from their mental slumber, we can start to turn the negatives around. People need to get the fight back in their system. I don't see how I am negative? I am busy all day long trying to educate myself & others. Look in the mirror, we the people are the solution but first we must face the enemy in the eyes.

Like RF and  some others Audrey, just keep sniping at me wherever I post a comment. It seems this is the only thing that makes you all happy on the BC blog. Some might not even get comments on their posts unless I comment on them allowing you all to get in your digs at me.

I am sorry that folks feel so oppressed. Things are never perfect are they?

Yet keep trying and ,at least for me, a smile/positive attitude sure works wonders.

I do love my government. While at times I felt like selling pansies and pencils on the cornner, SSI enabled me to keep my child at home. It took care of one of it's most vunerable children and a unproductive one at that.

I know this is going to earn me a ban again,so first Sam ....know I will always have affection for you and wish you the best. I'll see you on the other side my friend.

I knew you wouldn't have a civilized answer Audrey; which is why I banned you from my post. You can dish it out but you can't take it. How unhappy you must be. Alicen could tear you apart, but she is too civilized to do so.

On any level I fail see how this is civilized. I know there are long standing divides here,reinforced by all sides. How sad this is. How fruitless and pointless.

Infowar

Where did I say that I "cherish" our government?   Can you cut and paste it please?

Hope is an empty word.

I can't buy that Info. Hope is all we have. You are right that we must educate ourselves in the truth so that we fight anything that tries to take away our rights. What positive thing have you posted? I've never read it. I look in the mirror everyday my friend and I hope that I can say that I am doing what I can to make my little part of the world better.

Sam, I got a couple of messages from people who like you. They tried to explain you to me so that maybe I would understand you better and not attack you. I appreciate them taking the time, and I will do my best to reign in my instincts. But hear this my friend, if you cannot abide being "sniped" at, maybe you have chosen the wrong venue for your ruminations. I will refrain from making comments to you or about you from this point on, so ponder on what I have just told you.

You are supposed to love your country, not your government.

 What positive thing have you posted?

That is a matter of perspective.

Pogo  If you have access to all of the positive solutions then I encourage you to post them. Maybe we can work together? I post the problem & then you post the solution to that problem. What do you think?

Please define country

then define government

Then tell me what form of government you would choose to replace this one with.

If you're looking for perfection, Info, you're always going to be disappointed.  Any form of government is a work in progress.  If you don't like what going on in America, do something to change it.

Info, sounds like a plan. However, you may not approve of some of my solutions, plus I am flattered that you would think I would have any answers, I can barely figure out my electric toothbrush. Look, here is an example of why I have hope: George W. Bush will go down in history as the worst President this country has ever had; worse than Harding or Grant or Buchanan. I was depressed for 8 years and railed against the fates. Then Obama came along and I began to hope (by the way Bill Clinton made me a cynic for awhile). Then he got elected and I saw this country again for the wonderful place that it can be, where all men are truely created eqaul. So yes, I have hope, and that is as positive as I can be. 

country=government

If you're looking for perfection, Info, you're always going to be disappointed.  Any form of government is a work in progress.

Yeah some forms of government progress towards totalitarianism. I don't enjoy watching this country go that route under the hijacked U.S. government. 

www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/country

Country: : 2 a : the land of a person's birth, residence, or citizenship b : a political state or nation or its territory

Government:

www.answers.com/topic/government

1. The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.
2. The office, function, or authority of a governing individual or body.
3. Exercise of authority in a political unit; rule.
4. The agency or apparatus through which a governing individual or body functions and exercises authority.
5. A governing body or organization, as:
   1. The ruling political party or coalition of political parties in a parliamentary system.
   2. The cabinet in a parliamentary system.
   3. The persons who make up a governing body.
6. A system or policy by which a political unit is governed.
7. Administration or management of an organization, business, or institution.
8. Political science.
9. Grammar. The influence of a word over the morphological inflection of another word in a phrase or sentence.

As a liberal I deplore this violence, as I believe that freedom of speech comes not only from the Constitution but in the way we live with each other.  No one should be attacked because of their views, period, not even Dobbs, who I cannot stand. 

Having said that, this story is interesting because the articles above deplore the hatred used against Dobbs, and yet totally ignore the hate he spews.  I'm sorry, but "live by the sword, die by the sword."  I would never encourage or tolerate violence of this kind, but there are many who, feeling hate directed toward them, will respond in kind.  Dobbs opened this door, and others saw fit to try to close it.   He is still a victim, but he should recognize that his speech does harm to others, threatening livelihoods and families.   He can still take his unpopular stands, but he ought to recognize the inherent humanity of all people, and not just scapegoat them as faceless "illegals."   They're people!  There has to be a better way to solve this problem than stereotyping and racism, all Dobbs hallmarks. 

Perhaps this will help Dobbs become a problem-solver, rather than a lightning-rod hatemonger.

wlwedd, great post! Maybe this will make Dobbs pro gun control.

Dobbs points out how this government is allowing illegal aliens to run rampant. How is that hate mongering? I would say the radicals shooting at him are hate mongers.

great post! Maybe this will make Dobbs pro gun control.

No instead of Dobbs joining the anti gun idiots, he should stockpile more weapons so the next time the racist Mexican separatist pay him a visit, he will be able to take them out.

Actually people shooting at Dobbs only reinforces the need for law abiding U.S. citizens to be armed & ready to defend their families.

  a political state or nation or its territory

Doesn't a "political nation"  imply that a government is in place.  Otherwise the politicians wouldn't have a means of being elected or a place to make political decisions once they got into office.

"That government is best which governs least"

Sorry to burst your bubble, but law enforcement has a different take on the incident.

Interviews with the New Jersey State Police yielded a rather different assessment of the events described by Dobbs. In a phone interview conducted yesterday, Sgt. Stephen Jones, a NJ State Police spokesperson, chuckled out loud after he heard about Dobbs' account of the gunfire incident. Jones commented that he "wouldn't classify it [the gunfire incident] as very unusual." He also confirmed that there are hunters in the area, and stated that, "at this time of year hunter [shooting] complaints go up."

Another New Jersey State Police spokesperson, Sgt. Julian Castellanos, noted that "it's a wide open area and there are hunters in the area." Castellanos explained that the bullet had hit the house in vicinity of the attic; it "hit the vinyl siding and fell to the ground" without penetrating the vinyl, he said.

From the description, it sounds like the bullet came from a long distance away. Dobbs wasn't targeted, as much as he wants the rightwing conspiracy kooks to believe.

Illegal immigrant hunters!!!

if indeed it was an attack, some here on the blog call him a hatemonger...for voicing his opinion and exercising his 1st amendment rights

remember, some people may not agree with your point of view either, and call you names

i personally dont feel that a hatemonger would attempt to save the US untold billions of dollars each year spent on the social ills of illegal immigration

TSM is posting from establishment liberal huffcrap post.

for voicing his opinion

Dobbs is an out and out liar.

http://www.maldef.org/truth...

Can't say I'm surprised you support him.

And here you are yet again posting during school hours. You're as much a teacher as I'm a rocket scientist.

TSM is posting from establishment liberal huffcrap post.

You want a different source?

Here you go:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/...

Why do you hate law enforcement personnel so much you're willing to call them liars?

TSM...you might as well quote LA RAZA when you quot MALDEF....forged from the same

and im on lunch right now...thanks

CNN is saying much the same thing about hunters etc. in the area~ the bullet came from a long gun and they are  taking the case seriously because of Dobb's public persona.

It is a bit early  to who what and when so far gentlemen.

Violence is never the answer.

 "[P}eople who are demeaned and objectified in society may develop an aversion to their tormentors that is more hateful in its expression than the prejudice they have been subjected to."

So, if Lou Dobbs persistently expresses his anti-immigration views, there are some people out there who come to think of that criticism as hate-mongering. It is fortunate that most people who are the objects of Lou Dobbs criticism - illegal immigrants - don't have the impulse to pick up a gun and shoot at him. But simple math comes into play when the object of Dobbs concern is a group so large, there is bound to be among them some person who does have the impulse toward violence; who will shoot at Lou Dobbs at least to scare or threaten him.

I don't know what Lou Dobbs says because I haven't followed his program very much. I don't know what issues he addresses that might be considered inflamatory to illegal immigrants. But clearly, there is an element of Dobbs commentary that hits some very sensitive buttons among people who don't care to rationally consider the principles Dobbs is speaking to. Perhaps like so many **legal** American citizens who also lack the intellectual will or capacity to consider political issues rationally, the world is filled with people just like Americans who lack this will; they are people guided by their emotions, and some of them are unhinged enough to express their "rebuttal" with a gun.

I never once said I hate law enforcement personnel. Actually I hate the term 'law enforcement'...they used to be called peace officers. 

What are you saying? Law enforcement personnel are not capable of telling lies?

Exactly as learman pointed out...you are sourcing maldef.

Maldef is to racist La Raza like what a Neo-nazi is to Mein Kampf.

TSM,Randomfactor & Virgil take notes from this guy.

& they all three adore books written by the following character.

 Info:  I just happen to think that CNN is pretty brave for making a spot for people like Dobbs to state his views, which obviously differ from those of the organization for which he works.  And it makes me wonder why it is that the current administration is so dead set against Fox.  Doing so simply makes it look as though there's something he doesn't like about differing views actually being spoken over the air waves.  Heck fire, we're more open here on this blog than the administration is with Fox.  That's saying something!

I don't feel oppressed, nor am I unhappy.  Rather, what I feel is sadness for the general unease caused by the idea that the "government" wants to shut some people up. 

I posted a blog two or three weeks or (or maybe more) that had consisted of a letter I had written to then-President Bush.  It pretty much set out how I feel and what I think about my country.  What it's coming to now makes me sad. 

Alicen, the current administration is "against" (your words) Fox because Fox lies. It is not differing views, it is out and out lying. Government is not shutting anyone up, so don't feel sad. Now isn't that better? What the country is coming to now makes me happy, so things even out, don't they?

give some examples of the lies that Fox news tells pogo please, so we can see them.

Better than that learn, I'll show you.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

learn, there is a lot of proof actually. Just google "lies from Fox News" and your horizon will be expanded. You don't have to thank me.