Interesting four-year-old case.  I don't see any evidence of perjury there, though.  And neither does the court.  Are arthritic teachers who take pain killers to work also "high"?

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Higher education is right.   As long as cannabis is kept illegal, it will be very profitable indeed. 

There is always the classic example of a back injury plaintiff being found on the golf course to be considered. But wouldn't Ms. Raich's family doctor, who was voted Physician of the Year in Berkley, or the specialists at the University of California San Francisco, be more at risk for the perjury charge?

On a search for "Angel Raich perjury", I ran across the following:

She has been permanently disabled since 1995, she has an inoperable brain tumor (which may or may not be life threatening - its a f-ing brain tumor after all), chronic pain disorder, suffers from wasting syndrome (think AIDS symtpom only she doesnt have aids) she suffers from a seizure disorder, Scoliosis, TMJ, among others. In addition, and this may be key for some, ms. raich is highly allergic to many chemical susbtances, particularly chemicals used in the drugs that normally would be used to treat the above disorders.

So even if the brain tumor or scoliosis is not life threatening, the fact that that she cant take the normal routine of medications for her seizures, wasting syndrome, scoliosis, tmj and brain tumor etc... creates a situation unique to her that requires something else. In this case, something more natural. The marijuana decreases her nauseau and chronic nerve pain - in addition, it gives her an appetite so that she can eat. Without food, patients such as ms. raich do not have the energy to fight her numerous illnesses - similar to anyone on chemo or who has advanced stages of AIDS.

So, you all can whoohoo and joke about her being a fake - but make no mistake - SHE IS SEVERELY SICK. Marijuana helps her cope. It may not save her life, as pot in and of itself is not a "cure". But this is beside the point. Many drugs only treat symptoms and not the disease itself. What marijuana does is allow her to prolong her life by allowing her to keep food down so her body can have the energy to fight her numerous diseases. In this sense, marijuana does not cure her diseases, but IT HELPS KEEP HER ALIVE and that, i think, is something she is entitled to do under the due process clauses of the u.s. constitution.

Only in a drug enforcement system so absolutely misguided and retarded as the USA's would this idea ,using a naturally occurring susbtance to keep a human being alive and allow them the opportunity for a better life, be seen as odd, dangerous and illegal. FOR SHAME 

http://volokh.com/posts/117...

Ok, so how is a "seriously" ill woman able to work full time as a teacher at a so called "university?  Could it be that she lied on a sworn declaration to the ... Supreme Court?   I guess we will find out.  The media should take a closer look.

Didn't you read her web page, Linda?  She's able to work full-time because she found a safe medication which helps her symptoms.  And the government took it away.

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This does *NOT* support your case.  Like so many of your citations, it neatly undercuts your argument.

But wouldn't Ms. Raich's family doctor, who was voted Physician of the Year in Berkley, or the specialists at the University of California San Francisco, be more at risk for the perjury charge? 

The media probably read the doctor's and the specialist' testimony and figured there was no place to go with an investigation. 
 

Hire a lawyer and have him take it before the U.S. Supreme Court. It's your only avenue of redress at this point since a federal court has already ruled for Raich.

But then, you don't have standing so your petition wouldn't even get a hearing.

Too bad, so sad.

TSM, the Supreme Court ruled in 2005 *AGAINST* Raich, overturning the Ninth, based on the Federal principle of "there's no such thing as state's rights."

Yes, the Supreme Court ruled against Raich and her pot defense. Federal law superceeds state law. 

Unless they want to use the widely-known "state's rights" argument in which State law supercedes Federal law.  Usually cited by the same people who voted the other way because they share Linda's prejudices in pharmaceuticals.

Federal law superceeds whatever state law they choose, that way when crazy people such as legalizers abuse the state initiative process, we have a recourse.  I like the feds.

Here we go. PROOF that "marihuana" use "often ends in incurable insanity."

http://video.google.com/vid...

Bureau Official: Here is an example: A fifteen-year-old lad apprehended in the act of staging a holdup - fifteen years old and a marijuana addict. Here is a most tragic case.

Dr. Carroll: Yes. I remember. Just a young boy... under the influence of drugs... who killed his entire family with an axe.

So let me get this straight: if you use any drug, you shouldn't be able to teach.  Since caffine is more lethal than pot, let's start raiding the schools and colleges for anyone who teaches "under the influence" of coffee.

I've been in construction for a few years and known people who smoked or drank or whatever.  If you do your job and do it well, I think the government should stay out of your life.

This certainly doesn't enhance the ... "I"m sick" defense. Here she is on the Drug Policy Alliances website. Everyone knows who they are.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/n...

Linda, that same "anti-state's-rights" mentality is also keeping California from establishing clean-air standards tougher than the nation's, but much weaker than many other nations'.

I hope the feds shut down Oaksterdam... and I bet they will.  That way Angel can just relax and take her "medicine"... lol.. No worries, except maybe what she's going to "munch" on.

"Everyone knows who they are." 

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Yep.  "Reason.  Compassion.  Justice."  What a bunch of unAmerican idiots, believing in reason.

Linda, you hope she's hounded into the grave because you don't approve of her medication choices.  I, for one, hope you're never faced with her choices.  But that's because I'm a better person than you are.

Well Random, why don't you blame the people who are responsible. If everyone stopped smoking pot, we would have cleaner air. Smoke from any source is unhealthy and no medicine is smoked.  It's just a scam. For people who have no backbone. They want to do the crime but they whine about doing the time.

I am blaming the people who are responsible.  They are primarily within the US government and six of them are on SCOTUS.  But you're one of them, too.  And yes, I blame you, too.

This is probably to much personal info but I just took a hydrocodone and two Aleve for chronic pain with minimal relief.  I don't like the idea of smoking but I would try a MJ brownie or cookie right now. If it worked better than narcotics I would use it. The feds really need to take care of the business the citizens want to them to take care of.  It is supposed to be our government, of, by and for if I remember correctly.

Sorry, I missed where SCOTUS ruled against her.

Funny how conservatives are all for state's rights except in cases where their religion or personal beliefs are in conflict with them.

Just like they're for "getting government out of your life" except for the bedroom and the medicine cabinet.

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Anglo, I'm told vaporizers are the way to go, rather than brownies.  But I am not experienced at such things...

lol... Why not blame the scammers? Like Dr. Frank Lucido, Angel's so called Doctor. How culpable is this guy. How believable is this guy. How stupid does this guy think we are. lol..

How many legitmate Doctors speak at a drug legalization conference? Like the National Organization for the reform of Marijuana laws.

Angel's doctor does, along with others like Tommy Chong. What a joke! And what legitimate Doctor is on the board of a drug legalization group? He's a stinkin member of NORML.

Frank Lucido, MD - Member, NORML Advisory Board
Tommy Chong - Veteran actor/ comedian

http://www.norml.org/index....

Californian's need to wake up...

For your info Random, in my family we have been Democrats for over 80 years.  That conservative defense wont work.

I know a scam when I see one brotha.

For people who have no backbone.

Nice! If we've reached the missing body part level, is it ok to point out who doesn't have a brainstem?

Where did I say you were a conservative?  You're merely a *DUPE* of the conservatives.

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How many doctors speak at drug legalization conferences?  Hundreds.  I don't know how stupid Raich's doctor thinks you are, but I suspect he's underestimated.

again I say Decriminalize, Regulate & tax it.

There is such a thing as a conservative Democrat. The south is full of them.

Only conservatives fight for the rights of the unborn with one hand and fight against the rights of the born with the other.

 Californians have woken up, and they vote in favor of medicinal marijauna. Deal with it.

BTW, how's your repeal effort going. LOL!!!

Conservative Democrat. lol.. When all else fails...

Of course there's such a thing as a conservative Democrat.  If you're *THAT* badly-informed...well, we already knew.

I think TSM is confusing conservatives with the far religious right, or some other group I'm not familiar with. I want as little gov. interference as possible,  what a consenting adult couple does is their business, states rights should be respected by the Fed.  All liberals want to take my guns from me, they very pro abortion, never saw a tax they didn't like, want to gut the military, free violent criminals and give welfare to anyone that doesn't have the  desire to work, hate religion [Christians] especially holidays associated with them.  Not accurate either is it? You need a smaller brush.

You know what they say, RF, ignorance is bliss.

I suppose Linda thinks Zell Miller was a Liberal Democrat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Conservatives willingly allowed the far right religious groups to take control of the party in 2000.

Because the far right religious groups have been allowed to dictate the conservative's party platform, without dissent, today you can't tell the difference between the two.

SHUT DOWN OAKSTERDAM NOW! 

Linda, we know you're upset at being proven wrong, but shouting is not the answer.  Go stand in the corner until you can use your inside voice.  Can you support your demand that a *SCHOOL* be shut down because you don't like what they're teaching?

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TSM, "where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."  In politics, ignorance is *NEVER* bliss. :)

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Anglo, you really ought to talk to *REAL* liberals once in a while.  They beat the heck out of your cardboard ones.

Linda, dollface, you really ought to smoke a bowl and unwind.  You only live once, and all that stress is shortening it.

I thought it was apparant I was that I was showing that putting all conservatives in the anti-gay, far right religious sector was as wrong as lumping liberals into my example.  They are both wrong almost always.  I speak to real liberals everyday,  I respect their opinions more than they respect mine, I don't care.  We also have a lot of common ground.  At the end of the day we are still friends and want very nearly the same results for all people.

Back to this topic, I can see a day when the Fed. will make concessions concerning medicinal MJ as long as it looks like they are still "Tuff" on drug abuse. 

Conservatives willingly allowed the far right religious groups to take control of the party in 2000.

I thought that happened in 1980? Did they give it back sometime in the intervening 20 years?

Libertarians.... are the root of all evil... really.

No, Linda.  Badly-informed persons such as yourself are the root of all evil.  Fortunately, you're not *EFFECTIVE* at bringing about evil.

Any day now, Robb.

Angel Raich claimed she used marijuana to keep herself alive. She and her doctor claimed to have tried dozens of prescription medicines for her numerous medical conditions, and that she was allergic to most of them. Her doctor declared under oath that Raich's life was at stake if she could not continue to use marijuana.

The name of the case was changed to Gonzales vs Raich

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

So Dr. Frank Lucido, swore under oath that Angel would DIE without marijuana. Yet, she can teach....Huh. 

So, Linda, are you saying there is only one source for marijuana?  The Feds closed off the only supply she could possibly have?

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Are you perhaps smart enough to know what the name of the case was changed?  Or why it may need to be changed again?

And did you notice that the State of California filed a brief in support of her case?  Why, do you think?

I would be curious to know if Ms. Raich is drawing disability or SSI while she is "teaching".  If so, I would guess there probably is a law being broken that can be addressed under State and Federal law.     

If "medical" marijuana has allowed her to live and work a "normal" life then I will grant her an exception to my usual "no-F-in-way" rule. 

She can continue smoke her pot (since it allows her to lead a "normal" life) as long as she isn't a hypocrite and collecting disability too.

Curt, if hypocrites were barred from public assistance, no churches would remain standing.

Nothing about smoking pot is "normal". Let's just get that straight right now.  
 

How can marijuana affect me physically?

• Tremors (shaking)
• Nausea
• Headache
• Coordination becoming worse
• Breathing problems
• Increased appetite
• Reduced blood flow to the brain
• Changes in the reproductive organs

Random:

You wrote:…” Curt, if hypocrites were barred from public assistance, no churches would remain standing.”

I agree 100% While I believe in a higher authority, I do not believe in organized “big-business” style churches. Organized “big-business” churches are tax-exempt corporations yielding far too much influence and power in American politics.

Having said that, I stand by my comment. I will grant her my personal approval AND support for her use of medical marijuana (again since it makes her lead a “normal” life) providing she does not draw medical disability.

If her use of medical marijuana allows her to lead a “normal” existence, she by her own words, would have no need for disability or SSI. If she is disabled without the medical marijuana but is not disabled with medical marijuana she can smoke to her hearts contend, hold down a “teaching “job at the “university” and leave the disability to others who for whatever reason cannot/will not choose her treatment regimen.

Recommended reading: http://www.incb.org/incb/in...  

Pfffffft.