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Eye Opening: Illegal Immigration
From the L.A Times:
32 comments from 8 users
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posted by
Shsrebel10
on Nov 5, 2006 at 07:44 PM
I highly doubt those statistics are accurate. For one, out of the 10 million people living in LA county, less than 1 million (or less than 10%) are illegal immigrants. Not to mention with all the black gangs like the bloods and the crips down in LA, I highly doubt that 95% of all wanted murderers are illegal immigrants. Also, with less than 10% of LA's population being undocumented immigrants, I doubt they make up 2/3rds of the birthrate in L.A. Hispanics as a whole might make up 2/3rd's of the birth rate, but not every hispanic is here illegally. Also for your #9 and #10, those are probably somewhat true and misleading. Those are probably english first and spanish first speaking people. In otherwords, it doesn't include the bilingual speakers that has spanish as their native toungue, and also speaks english fluently. I also doubt that those statistics were published on September 18th when I saw those same statistics in May. posted by
TomW
on Nov 5, 2006 at 08:39 PM
posted by
TomW
on Nov 5, 2006 at 09:37 PM
posted by
anonymous
on Nov 5, 2006 at 09:41 PM
Even if these stats are off by 50%, isn't that still a pretty big problem? Democrats do not see illegal immigration because they know eventually they will control Congress and naturalize, through amnesty, all these people and ...Shazaam ! Instant Democratic party voters ! posted by
anonymous
on Nov 5, 2006 at 09:43 PM
Tom, who predicted Dow would not break previous high, and predicted Lieberman would lose.
posted by
dusty1215
on Nov 5, 2006 at 10:02 PM
posted by
TomW
on Nov 5, 2006 at 10:20 PM
As for Lamont, I still predict his win. Lieberman is up in the polls by 10 holding steady under 50 percent. Here's some of my reasoning: Lamont is riding a national wave election. CT has registered 75,000 new voters this summer who don't make it in polls as likely voters. Lamont has a great team and a strong ground game. He's second on the ballot, behind the Republican in the race. Lieberman has no ground game and a poor team. He is relying on the Republican vote. He is 8th of 9 on the ballot as the CFL candidate. He's got no momentum and hasn't cleared 50%. It'll be a sqweaker, either way, but I think it's Lamont. BTW, sorry for the brevity here. I put together something longer and lost it. If you're interested in more, lemme know and I'll lay in out in more detail with links. posted by
Shsrebel10
on Nov 5, 2006 at 11:43 PM
Anonymous, Democrats aren't going to grant "amnesty" to illegal immigrants to get new votes. Its that the Democrats know how to deal with the problem more comprehensive, trying to satisfy all sides of the issue then jump to conclusions and coming up with wasteful plans such as building a border wall and turning them all into felons (which is unneccessary). In fact, the government can profit from giving undocumented immigrants earned legalization ($2,000-$3,000 fines, taxes paid back that aren't already paid back, exc) and with that money they can use it to secure the border properly and reimburse hospitals, schools, social programs exc. that have lost money from the immigration problem. Also, if you increase the penalty on employers for hiring illegal immigrants (unless they can prove that they need more workers and no one else will fill the job) than thats even more money you can use to secure the border and reimburse social programs. Even after doing the above thats mentioned (earned citizenship, crack down on employers, and secure the border from the fines collected) you still have an immigration system thats so complex and screwd up (it can take anywhere from a few months to over a decade and anywhere from a couple hundred to $10,000+ to get here legally) that many people will still be coming here illegally because they can't get here legally otherwise. So include a guest workers program to make it easier to come here legally, and you have sensible immigration reform that works out ALL the problems and causes of undocumented immigration.
posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 08:59 AM
posted by
Linda2
on Nov 6, 2006 at 09:45 AM
posted by
mattloch
on Nov 6, 2006 at 09:52 AM
posted by
Linda2
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:36 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:46 AM
This crap again? Doesn't anyone check Snopes.com anymore? posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:56 AM
Oh, and I predicted a Dow pop after the election, though it came in today. If it drops on Wed. when we have more predictability, it tells me that some of the big houses are trying to game the elections. posted by
robbwillis
on Nov 6, 2006 at 11:59 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 12:00 PM
Don't be silly, Tom. You're fogetting the Viagra ads interspersed with the refi's. posted by
dusty1215
on Nov 6, 2006 at 12:30 PM
As for the wall Ron is so fond of..its not going to make as much of a difference as he would like according to Pew: "Nearly half of all the unauthorized migrants now living in the United States entered the country legally through a port of entry such as an airport or a border crossing point where they were subject to inspection by immigration officials. As much as 45% of the total unauthorized migrant population entered the country with visas that allowed them to visit or reside in the U.S. for a limited amount of time. Known as "overstayers," these migrants became part of the illegal population when they remained after their visas had expired. Another smaller share of the unauthorized migrant population entered the county legally from Mexico using a Border Crossing Card, a document that allows short visits limited to the border region, and then violated the terms of admission." posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 01:34 PM
. The only definitely illegal alien I ever knew had done just that...overstayed her visa. From Canada. Hell, the Governator of California was an illegal alien. posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:03 PM
posted by
dusty1215
on Nov 6, 2006 at 02:40 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 02:45 PM
. "Never ascribe to malevolence what can adequately be explained by [ignorance]." I cleaned it up a little bit, but bet she deletes this post anyway... posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 02:46 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:03 PM
. Needless to say, this didn't come from the LA Times, either. posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:07 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:33 PM
I would expect these tactics to continue until the Democrats start using them. If anyone with a (D) figures out how to work that damn machine, and they do a better job of it, you'll see a sudden hue and cry to stop these "unfair" practices. I've always been tempted to start a guerrilla outfit dedicated to laying the system to waste, then showing everyone how I did it. Once the genie is out of the bag, the Republicans will ban it so fast you'll think it had something to do with sex. posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:35 PM
posted by
TomW
on Nov 6, 2006 at 03:44 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Nov 6, 2006 at 04:17 PM
I'm still working out the details. Let's hope that nobody comes along in 2008 that would necessitate a "nuclear option" like that. posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 04:20 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Nov 6, 2006 at 04:26 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 04:29 PM
posted by
randomfactor
on Nov 6, 2006 at 05:31 PM
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