I know you copy/pasted this but you might want to try spell checking.  And whoever wrote this seems to only talk to people that agree with them (ah echo chambers, they sure make us feel better about our opinions).  

I will definitely be tuning in to see the current administration's arguments about health care.  I think I owe them at least that much.  I know listening is hard sometimes...

National health care? God forbid we turn into socialistic states like..... Great Britain, Spain, and Canada. If you can't pay your hospital bill, go to your corner and die you lazy dogs. I hope you ALL join with me and not accept your medicare privileges when you turn 65. In fact, send your social security checks to me to and I'll make sure they are.....err..... taken care of.

I do want health care reform and I'm pleased that everyone who chooses to listen to the administration's ideas will have an opportunity do so. I encourage everyone to watch the program. Then we can have discussions based on what is actually said, rather than interpretations of what others think might be said.

I have to ask, LoveVintage. Do you know what the proposed health plan is? And what is state run media? CSPAN? PBS? Are you really opposed to NPR, PBS and CSPAN? ABC is owned by the Disney Corporation.  I think everyone should watch, and read up on what the various proposals are all about.

Burying heads in the sand is no way to move forward on any issue.

What we all missed from this copy/paste was the lovely picture attempting to make a connection between Obama and Hitler: http://wesurroundthembakers...

This will be nothing more than a 1 hour infomercial.  All Obama.  Not bipartisan at all.  ABC even denied the GOP's request for time for a response.  The non partisan CBO has said <edit> draft legislation from the Senate Finance Committee would increase the federal deficit by more than $1.6 trillion over the next decade while only partly denting the population of the uninsured.  ABC is so deep in the tank for Obama, it's not even funny.

ABC is not even accepting *PAID* advertising during the broadcast from conservative groups. 

LoveVintage, were you aware of what NHThomps just pointed out?

Your eloquent comment on my blog about respect came to my mind.

I usually do not comment on this sort of post, but I saw your name on it, and I was somewhat surprised.

But what more could you expect from ABC.  They had 5 employees give money to the John McCain campaign,  while about 130 gave to the Obama campaign. 

During yesterday’s White House press conference, press secretary Robert Gibbs was asked: “The President actually told the AMA that ‘there are some countries where a single-payer system works pretty well.’ Do you know what countries he was referring to or what he was talking about?”

Gibbs responded: “I don’t know exactly the countries. I think you could — I think if you talk to people in the countries that have those systems, they’d think their health care is pretty good."

Watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watc...  

If President Erkel's press secretary can't name a country, then there is a good chance that Erkel was being less than truthful to the AMA.  But sure, it'll be different with the hard hitting reporters at ABC that will surely ask uncomfortable questions that weren't first vetted by the White House.

I may have to tune in just to see if I can spot any of Obama's excrement on the noses of the ABC "reporters".

I'm for it! Down with the socialist health care system! Down with the socialist roadways! Down with the socialist sewer system! Down with all forms of corperate regulation! Huzzah! Only big insurance companies have my best interests at heart!

AD, it would seem most people have difficulty applying the "respect principle" to topics that they are CAPS LOCK fanatical about, even when just cutting and pasting.

I wonder what some people would think if we really did become an all-out capitalist country with absolutely no government infrastructure, programs or backing.

Oh yeah, that's right - most of you would be poor.

NPR is about the closest thing we have to "Government run media", and I like their coverage the best.  It seems to be the most impartial and informative.

"AD, it would seem most people have difficulty applying the "respect principle" to topics that they are CAPS LOCK fanatical about"

Shwaine, that's one reason why I've said that respect is easy to state as a concept, but takes a long time to begin to really incorporate it into who you are.  Some people (no hints intended!) who talk about the need for more respect in the world are some of the most disrespectful people around.

If LoveVintage intends to attend this protest, I can hope that she is made uncomfortable, even put off completely, by the high level of disrespect, and even outright hatred, that will be vented about people like me, only because I am someone of different beliefs and values.

And I'll bet my last dollar that most of them say that we need more respect in the world.

"NO TO NATIONAL HEALTH CARE"

The non partisan CBO has said the one version of the bill in Congress will cost 1.6 TRILLION DOLLARS over ten years. 

1.6 trillion over 10 years?  That’s 160 billion per year. Present spending for health insurance in the USA is 2.4 TRILLION  per year, and 30% of that amount is fraud, waste, and stockholder profit, which amounts to 720 billion per year.

Yeah, 160 billion per year is outrageous.

If present trends continue, private health insurance will equal our entire GNP in 45 years.

Our present private healthcare insurance system is a model of inefficiency that makes the government appear lean and mean by comparison.

Instead of parroting right wing pundit and AMA propaganda, please propose a realistic solution instead of the socialist medicine threat misdirection ploy.

From the Nation Coalition on Healthcare.......

http://www.nchc.org/facts/c...

Premiums for employer-based health insurance rose by 5.0 percent in 2008. In 2007, small employers saw their premiums, on average, increase 5.5 percent. Firms with less than 24 workers, experienced an increase of 6.8 percent.

The annual premium that a health insurer charges an employer for a health plan covering a family of four averaged $12,700 in 2008. Workers contributed nearly $3,400, or 12 percent more than they did in 2007. The annual premiums for family coverage significantly eclipsed the gross earnings for a full-time, minimum-wage worker ($10,712).

In 2008, health care spending in the United States reached $2.4 trillion, and was projected to reach $3.1 trillion in 2012. Health care spending is projected to reach $4.3 trillion by 2016.

Health care spending is 4.3 times the amount spent on national defense.

In 2008, the United States will spend 17 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) on health care. It is projected that the percentage will reach 20 percent by 2017.

Although nearly 46 million Americans are uninsured, the United States spends more on health care than other industrialized nations, and those countries provide health insurance to all their citizens.

Health care spending accounted for 10.9 percent of the GDP in Switzerland, 10.7 percent in Germany, 9.7 percent in Canada and 9.5 percent in France, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.

I'll be there for sure. With my signs. Yes, we need health care reform. But not this way. He's rushing this Trillion dollar plan thru congress to further his overall socialist agenda. Not for concern for citizens. If it was, he would be listening to the citizens, and hearing and concidering both sides. Just like the stimulous package, he closed off everyone who didn't agree with his agenda, and look where we are. Bypartison my eye.  He is destroying our nation.

 "Yes, we need health care reform. But not this way."

OK, fine.       Exactly how do you propose to reform the system?

Give specific changes, and cost / benefit analysis.

This was supposed to be a red-letter week for national health care, as Democrats started the process of hustling a quarter-baked bill through Congress to reorganize one-sixth of the economy on a partisan vote. Instead it was a fiasco.

Most of the devastation was wreaked by the Congressional Budget Office, which on Tuesday reported that draft legislation from the Senate Finance Committee would increase the federal deficit by more than $1.6 trillion over the next decade while only partly denting the population of the uninsured. The details haven't been made public, but the short version seems to be that President Obama's health boondoggle prescribes vast new spending without a coherent plan to pay for it even while failing to meet its own standards for social equity.

http://online.wsj.com/artic...

Useful to emphasize amid the mayhem is that CBO's number-crunching is almost always off -- predicting too much spending for market-based policies and far too little for new public programs, especially on health care. The CBO score for a new entitlement is only the teaser rate, given that the costs will inevitably balloon as the years pass and more people mob "free" or subsidized insurance.

As Don Mason so succinctly pointed out, what is the big deal for a program that costs $160 billion a year for ten years when we are currently spending two and a half trillion dollars per year on the current failed and unsustainable system?  Conservatives here have no plan, and have no answers to the countless facts that argue for a dramatic overhaul of our failed health care market. A single payer option has an approval rating from 76% of Americans. I have to ask, just like DonMason did, what solutions to the ever rising premiums, denial of coverage for people who have money but still cannot obtain health care, and reining in ever escalating costs associated with treatments in America do you have? 

Increasing the deficit by 1.6 trillion dollars over the next 10 years may be right and fine for all the aging boomers who don't think they will be around to worry about paying for it, but I'm not yet ready to leave that kind of debt to my children and grandchildren.  We still have this stimulis to pay off, not to mention the cost of the "cap and trade" scheme that's coming round the bend. 

That 1.6 trillion number doesn't even cover all of the uninsured.  And as the doctors and drug makers are told they will have more patients, but lower pay, we'll be seeing more doctors with "Timbuktu School of Medicine" degrees on their walls.

It was only a couple of years ago that Social Security and Medicare were in bad shape (and still are) and the Democrats rejoiced at defeating Bush's proposals, but didn't have then, nor are they presenting any now, solutions to that problem. 

I'm still holding out that Obama's promise of no tax increase for me will be kept.  No, really I am.

I've been away from my computer for a few days.

I've always understood that big brother needs to step in but I am tired of being stepped on.   I believe there needs to be some changes in the health care system, but to just hand out "free" (which won't be free, we will all pay up the wazoodle) health care will put each of us into further debt.  There does need to be changes made, but I'm just not sold on the free for all.  If you think it will get you better health care, you are dead wrong.  The rich will be able to go to the front of the line when they walk in with cash and the poor will still be in the same place...at the bottom and still at the back of the line.  

As far as the comment in my copy & paste about state run media...I may be wrong, but I took it as NBC not allowing the GOP to have any advertisements during the "yet again" Obama infomercial. 

Shwaine says:

AD, it would seem most people have difficulty applying the "respect principle" to topics that they are CAPS LOCK fanatical about, even when just cutting and pasting.

I didn't look at the caps, I was copying & pasting the article.  My apologies for getting you so upset.  Personally, I try to never sweat the small stuff. 

And AD, you said that respect is easy to state as a concept...and so on.  Well I'm thinking that sounds like the pot calling the kettle black with your snide comment.  We all have lessons to learn...and respect is one of those on-going lessons.  Just because I stepped on your toes with my beliefs, does not mean that I ever meant disrespect to yours.

I'm sorry, LoveVintage, if my comment appeared like an attack.  I thought I was careful to make it clear that I wasn't hinting around at you.  I guess I failed.

My words:

"Some people (no hints intended!) who talk about the need for more respect in the world are some of the most disrespectful people around."

It was a general comment about something that I see a lot.  It was not intended to implicate you personally.

You're fine AD.  I've learned with age to never (or at least try) to never take things personally.  I just felt like I needed to voice myself and take a stand.  Since you and Shawine said what you did, it was time for me to answer the criticism directly.  No hurt feelings on my end though.  But thank you for trying to smooth things over...your  kindness in your words were taken & noted as such...thank you.