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MakesThingsGo - > Makes Things Go -> Construction Issues
Construction Issues
So just when you think you're on the home stretch in a building project, a new wrinkle comes up.  As most of you know, I'm entering the final stages of a very long building project with my girlfriend.  This week, we're getting the hot water heater (a tankless Takagi) and I was getting the space cleared for it and making sure we'd be ready when it arrived.  Much to my surprise, I noticed on Saturday that the gas meter was...gone.

Now, the meter itself has been replaced by a bar that blocks up the city and house side of the gas line, so we were sure it was a PG&E thing.  I called them and they confirmed that they had removed it at our request.  I assured the woman on the phone that no one who was authorized to do that would have done that and could they please give me a new one.  She said that wouldn't be a problem and gave me a number to call.  So off I went.  If Dante were alive today, there would be a level just above the lake of ice where you die and are convinced you lived a good life and had to call a large corporation trying to straighten out your record.

So I finally reached voicemail in their phone system and left a message, a human could not be reached.  The next day, I received a call back telling me that the reason that the meter was removed was because we hadn't used the gas for over a year.  OK.  I explained the situation to the guy on the phone and he told me to call their main number.  I explained that they had sent me to him, but he claimed there was nothing he could do.  Back to the main line.

The very nice woman who answered this time said she couldn't tell me much about the account because I wasn't the name on it and there was now a flag on the account.  Great.  So now I have my girlfriend call.  When she calls, they tell her the meter was removed a year ago when we began digging.  Ugh.

So now we have to have the city come out and reinspect the lines that have already been inspected so they can sign off so PG&E can replace a meter that they removed for a reason they can't confirm on a date they can't confirm.

As many times as you do construction, you never learn every trick.  The other important lessson for those not in the field is that construction is about a quarter jumping through hoops, half finding out what the hoops are, and a quarter actual work.

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posted by MakesThingsGo on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 at 09:38 AM
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posted by MakesThingsGo on Mar 28, 2007 at 09:43 AM
Complicating the whole matter is the fact that I lost my wallet on Monday and my girlfriend's credit card got a couple of false charges on it yesterday (amazingly unrelated) so now neither of us has a working credit card and I have only a passport for ID.  Try walking into a city office with a weird problem where you're the agent of the home owner, you don't have a driver's license or credit card and try to get resolution.  Good times.
posted by Crankpin on Mar 28, 2007 at 09:51 AM

Ah, the joys of home improvement.

I currently have roofing material up on my roof, but can't pull a permit with the County. Why? Because they lost the plans for my 20-year-old addition and flagged my house for having an "unpermitted addition." I now have an architect qualifying the addition and create as-built drawings, but it's costing me. Then I can get a reroof permit and a repair permit concurrently to bring the addition up to modern code standards. The architect told me that the County was notorious for losing permits, plans, etc.

Good times. I empathize with you, bud.

Crank

posted by jasonsperber on Mar 28, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Yikes...  That's a lot of bad luck in a short span, Tom.  :(  Hope things work out.  [On a lighter note, didja catch the BSG season finale on Sun?  ;)  ]
posted by TomW on Mar 28, 2007 at 09:59 AM
Well, Jason, much of this house has happened by sheer force of will, and I know we'll get through this.  The tough part is that there is no bad guy, it's no one's fault, it's just a bunch of strange events that happened in succession that need to be sorted out.  But you just want to have someone that you can get justifiably angry with.

I haven't been able to keep up with BSG, so I'm waiting for the DVD and a pocket of time when I can get caught up.
posted by mattloch on Mar 28, 2007 at 10:23 AM
Crank, the county doesn't keep building plans for residences past the date you get the thing finaled. Why did you think they'd have 20 year old plans lying around? Better question would be, why does your architect think that? That's never been the case. The county doesn't "lose" plans after it's been built, they throw them out. Having the approval of the plan, sure, but never the plans themselves. Did you try checking with the Assessor's office to see if they had a record of the addition being permitted? .

Sorry to hear about your problem(s), Tom. Good luck getting your gas meter, your ID, your credit card(s), etc. I hope the hot water heater that arrives is the one you ordered. The way things are going for you, it's far from a "sure thing".....

posted by TomW on Mar 28, 2007 at 11:40 AM
Mattloch is right.  Can you imagine the warehouse they'd need for all of that?  On the other hand, they should start scanning stuff since drive space is so cheap.  The thing is, they don't want to be responsible.  When my place is signed off, I'm putting everything in a wall and sealing it up.  In case of emergency, break sheetrock.
posted by Crankpin on Mar 28, 2007 at 01:26 PM

Oops, meant the approval of the plans. The architect knows because he built the house and the addition; he just so happens to be my next door neighbor. The assessor does not have a record.

It's my first house and title was clear, so I never stopped to think, "Do I need to follow up with the assessor?"  But that's a different story.

Oh well. I am getting as built plans drawn up and I can get my roof on.

Crank

posted by TomW on Mar 28, 2007 at 01:57 PM
OK, Crank, that is weird.  Good luck on your project.
posted by NancyII on Mar 28, 2007 at 08:48 PM
Tom...why would you need a heater for your hot water?  (sorry..I couldn't resist...yuck yuck)
posted by TomW on Mar 28, 2007 at 11:06 PM

Well, Nancy, it's a tankless, so if we end up outflowing the water heater, we may put a small holding tank and a circulating pump on it.  Voila: hot water heater.

Smartass...  ;)

posted by NancyII on Mar 29, 2007 at 02:48 AM

Hehe       &nb sp;        :-)

Seriously, I love the concept of not having a roaring behemoth sitting around running up a gas bill 24/7.  On the home improvement radio talk shows people have been asking about them a lot lately and as I understand it there are two kinds.  The instant and the continuous kind.     If you would, please share the difference.

posted by TomW on Mar 29, 2007 at 12:02 PM
Actually, Nancy, they are all "instant" in the sense that water running through them gets heated rather quickly.  There is usually a chart for them that shows how much they can raise the temperature on a given volume of water (ΔT or delta T).  I went over this before on another blog, but here's a chart that shows the ΔT for the Takagis: http://lib.store.yahoo.net/...

There are a lot of ways to plumb these suckers.  You can get a small one for a kitchen sink called a point of use water heater.  This is good because then you aren't running water down the drain while you wait for the hot water to get to the tap.  The other type is whole house.  Now depending on how you plumb these, you can use them like a regular water heater or you can add a circulating pump to your line and run a circuit near all of your fixtures to reduce the amount of distance between the hot water and the outlet.  This has the added benefit of using your pipes as a tank of sorts.  The question is whether you're saving since you're now running an appliance to offset your water and gas consumpution.  Some people will run their circ. pump on a timer so that the water in the pipes gets hot in the morning before they shower and sometimes in the evening for dinner prep.  I think those people are a bit silly myself since you're now running a circ. pump, a timer, and still heating enough extra water twice a day to run to and from your shower.  They've taken a good commercial application and scaled it down to a point where it doesn't seem practical.  Like attaching a solar calculator to your household power.  Sure it will save a bit of energy, but by the time you hook it up, your consumption in terms of parts and maintenance far outweighs the benefits to both you and the environment.



posted by NancyII on Mar 29, 2007 at 06:12 PM
Thanks Tom.  I'm not sure how long it would take to recoup the cost if done as an add on but I still like the concept.  As I understood it on one of the talk shows, if you get the right kind with a fast recovery, you'll never run out of hot water for the shower (and house of course).  That in itself could make a family happy.
posted by TomW on Mar 29, 2007 at 11:16 PM
If you're thinking of adding, a small whole house one costs about 500 and you can get a 300 tax credit.  Figure you halve your gas usage so whatever that is gives you your ROI.
posted by NancyII on Mar 30, 2007 at 07:06 AM
I wasn't thinking of only the cost of the unit but of the installation.  That's usually the painful part.  At least for those of us who are, shall we say..less than handy?
posted by TomW on Mar 30, 2007 at 08:26 AM
Well, Nancy, if you're just doing a one for one change, the install is really easy.  You might also get a credit from PG&E for changing over.  But it's something someone with your skills could do if you has someone to lift it into place.

BTW, got my wallet in the mail yesterday with everything but the cash.  SWEET!
posted by NancyII on Mar 30, 2007 at 12:49 PM
Thats' great Tom.  At least you got the license and maybe pictures.  Only a snake would take the money but it's better than nothing.  Dust it for fingerprints...send it to "The Closer"  ...she never lets go.
posted by TomW on Mar 30, 2007 at 01:27 PM
Yeah, got the license, my dive license, library card, access card to the server center, and a whole bunch of stuff that would have taken a long time to reassemble.  I figured the money was gone anyway.  Heck, if someone had walked up to me with it, I'd have handed them the cash.  That's the rule, I thought.
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