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NancyII - > Things that interest ME -> Home Depot required to provide shelter to day workers
Home Depot required to provide shelter to day workers

I heard reference to this situation yesterday.   People congregate on YOUR property to wait for contractors to choose them for day labor and YOU are required to provide facilities for them?

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posted by NancyII on Thursday, June 28, 2007 at 07:45 AM
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posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 07:59 AM
With any luck, the "relief" they seek will be killed by Republicans along with the rest of the immigration bill.
posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:03 AM
The question is ...do you believe Home Depot should be required to supply shelter and bathrooms to day workers who congregate on their property waiting for work?  After all..it's not the intention of the store to function as a labor union.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:05 AM
No.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:07 AM

Nancy, I don't believe it's all one-way.  Stores can be required to provide bathroom facilities for the general public, so there's obviously some precedent.

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It may not be the intention of the store to function as a labor union, but it's the nature of the business that day-labor will congregate there.  That, in turn, will attract contractors who will patronize the store.  I truly believe that, at bottom, providing such facilities will be a net plus for the store.   Sounds like they're wanting to eat their cake and have it, too.

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But then again, HomeDepot is basically a despicable firm, so I may be biased.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:09 AM
True, hence I go to Lowe's or OSH or Harbor Freight.
posted by johnburnssucks on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:33 AM
They didn't get the sixty votes. The bill is dead.
posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:34 AM

Whether or not the store is "dispicable" to anyone is beside the point.  Why doesn't this happen at Lowes?  I don't include Osh because they don't do a lot of contractor business.  Why is Home Depot being singled out?

I certainly do feel that businesses should provide "facilities" to it's customers, I don't feel they should be required to provide shelter and "facilities" to the public in their parking lots.

Many moons ago my Dad used to meet up with his oilfield crew to car pool to the rig.  One of the places they met was at a place called Rays Steak House on the corner of Rosedale Highway and Pierce road...right about where Dennys is now.  They waited til the crew was all there to go to work.  Should the coffee shop have provided "facilities" for them?

This all smacks of that "attractive nuisance" thing.  If you have something that attracts people, no matter what it is, you have to accomodate them or protect them in some way.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:38 AM

Thank goodness.  We'll get a much better bill in 2009. 

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To all those Hispanic voters who wanted to see immigration reform:  Note the number of Senators with (R) after their names who denied your Senators a vote on the issue and made you wait two more years.

posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:39 AM

 

"Local governments in Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities, including in Illinois and Washington, D.C., have imposed or are considering similar measures."

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:43 AM

Nancy, *IS* Home Depot being "singled out"?   Or is it *ALL* "big-box" building-supply stores.  I'd be willing to bet on the latter. 

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Another example of how local government is trying to fix a local problem locally, and the big bad Federal government is trying to keep them from doing so.  Thought conservatives had a problem with that kind of interference with "state's rights." ;)

posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:55 AM
Whining about what looks to be immigrants again, but than is the usual. Perhaps if some of these unlucky guys were almost legal there would be a way to provide them full benefits, you know like some colleges do for athletes.
posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:18 AM

RF..so far all I've seen is about Home Depot.  I'd be curious to see if Lowes or any of the others have had this situation.  I have to go to work now so don't have time to check it out.  If any of you find out today I'd be happy to see it.  Otherwise...I'll see what I can find tonight.

Redkern..as usual you never contribute anything to the discussion.  I don't give a rats patootie who the people are ..YOU'RE the one making the distinction, not me.  I'm asking if gov't has the right to force ANYONE to build facilities in their parking lot to accomodate people who are using it as a gathering place to seek work.  I see you didn't bother to answer the question I asked about the oilfield workers in the 50's.  I guess they didn't matter because they weren't immigrants. (at least as far as you know.)    You just couldn't resist bringing Ryan into this could you?  What a sad pathetic little creature you are.

Try staying on topic for once and not making everything a race issue ..or about YOU.

Sorry Jason...I'm sick of this little troll.

posted by TomW on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:34 AM
I think the issue is that Home Depot isn't clearing these people from their lots.  Frankly, I'm surprised these people are hanging out at Home Depots.  In my experience, very few contractors use Home Depot, prefering places where they have accounts and can get stuff wholesale.
posted by Charlie on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:42 AM

To all those Hispanic voters who wanted to see immigration reform:  Note the number of Senators with (R) after their names who denied your Senators a vote on the issue and made you wait two more years.

And, you should also note  the number of Senators with (D) after their names who denied your Senators a vote on the issue and made you wait two more years.

Oh no, that would be fair and balanced.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:45 AM
No, "fair and balanced" would be to note the actual number of each party on each side.
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:55 AM
We Won! Now we can concentrate our resources on completing the Gringo/Grease Wall and dedicate the new adobe curtain on our Border. I can see the day before the Bush term when our President stands on the border to declare "Mr. Calderon, PUT UP THAT WALL"!!
Now if only Home Depot would get into the act, we would be pleased as pie. These "aliens" would no longer be the footballs they have become, but wait what would our local busybody ladies have to whine about over the back fence. Geez, if they only had they went o school and earned the minimum grades, their future would be assure sports, in swimming of course. That river is a great learning course!
Oilfield workers in the 50's? In those days you were part of the problem, come to think of it you still are, but on the other side of the equation.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:56 AM
By Home Depot not clearing out the people that are basically loitering in front of their stores, they are encouraging it. I don't think it's a bad thing that you can hire a day laborer to do some nasty work for you. If HD doesn't mind them hanging out, they should provide some sort of shelter. All they have to do is put a price tag on the shelter and ta da!

The reason the other stores don't have day laborers hanging out is because they don't allow it.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 28, 2007 at 09:59 AM
redkern, so which large company should get the contract for the wall. Halliburton? How much automatic profit should they get to tack on to the project, 20%   Sounds like a great use of taxpayer dollars.  When that's done, we can start on the pyramid that Pharoah Bush will be buried in. Should only take 20-30 years after the wall is finished.
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:07 AM
Hey the Russians are having trouble with Chinese immigrants, the Israelis are having trouble with the Palestinians in the land of a world economy, why not a consortium to build fences between bad neighboring countries, there is opportunity here. Oh and Hallibuton , I hear may have time on their work schedule after September.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:16 AM
That's right, it worked for postwar Germany, why not these other countries. Whatever happened to that wall anyway?

Yeah, it just makes sense to make a wall that long, especially if it's really expensive and time consuming. There's no way people could still get over/under/through it either.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:20 AM

Just got the numbers:  fifteen D's voted against cloture.  37 Republicans voted against (which essentially was voting against the immigration bill.) 

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That's 77 percent of Republicans voting not to reform immigration, if you're counting.

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As I said, we'll get a much better bill in 2009.

posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:21 AM
The Great Wall of China, they have been protected to this day, so too will the Gringo/Greaser adobe curtain last for 10 thousand years and protect us from the evil hordes from the South.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:22 AM
We should call it the "Magic No-Immigration" wall.  Magino Line for short.
posted by Charlie on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:27 AM

As I said, we'll get a much better bill in 2009

I wouldn't be holding my breath while waiting for that to happen. Could prove fatal

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 10:30 AM
Gee, Charlie, I wouldn't think of holding my breath for two years.  Must be a Republican pastime, some kind of autoasphyxiation?  I *WONDERED* what happened to the George W. Bush who scored so...average on his SAT's.  And here I thought it was the cocaine.
posted by sagefever on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:02 AM
Seems like it is a let me have/eat my cake:They claim to be the contractors friend,allow these day workers to congregate~as a "service" to the contractors~ and now want to exclude the use of the toilet?I like what the Mt.View commenter said""Once you're part of a community, there are land-use responsibilities, whether it's a center for day workers or traffic congestion remedies or park fees," she said. "To have it always fall back on the cities, that comes back on the taxpayers and it just doesn't seem fair."

"If you want to build and make tons of money from our community, we're going to want something in return," Macias said.""Seems fair to me.

posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:12 AM
Ah all this anger, return we must to the says when minorities of every kind were what Sam and others remember...the good days
Yes, the good old days before Sam's Mexifornia, the days when Hispanics were but a zit on Amerifornia's  face.
posted by samheath on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:14 AM
It's simply easier for those in favor of slave labor from Mexico at taxpayer expense to call anyone opposed "racist." But America has a right to secure borders and a right to deport illegal aliens. The United States belongs to legitimate citizens of our nation, not Mexico or Mexicans. How long would those opposed to secure borders for America last in Mexico under that corrupt nation's laws.
posted by OldBlue56 on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:15 AM
Panfooilio, I suppose Home Depot will soon be forced to quit selling hot dogs out front and start selling tacos.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:21 AM
Sam, the ones calling for securing our borders are the same people that (secretly) don't think we should enforce the laws against hiring undocumented aliens. It's the whole $4 lettuce sham.
posted by samheath on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:28 AM

Victor David Hanson’s book “Mexifornia” is available to any that are literate. How to watch California turn into a third world cesspool is something that has already happened in Los Angeles and is spreading like a cancer throughout our state.

posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:39 AM
Yes, those brown people sure do make you uncomfortable, don't they, Sam?    Charlie, too.  His railings against "liberalism" can be boiled down to "all decisions aren't left up to white males anymore."
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:43 AM
3rd world cesspool? Sam have you ever even been to LA?
posted by mattloch on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:54 AM
Pete: "3rd world cesspool? Sam have you ever even been to LA?"

Funny, I would have asked him about being in 3rd world cespools....

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By the way, nice of Sam to make the "logical" connection between Mexicans and cancer. And you wonder why we don't take you seriously........
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:54 AM

He has.  He found it full of brown people speaking a language he couldn't understand.

posted by mattloch on Jun 28, 2007 at 11:56 AM
Was it that cool clicking language from "The Gods Must Be Crazy" Random?
posted by jfrancais on Jun 28, 2007 at 12:04 PM
..eesay ouyay aterlay...
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 12:10 PM
Sorry I pulled your chain Sam, but I am on your side we 100% Americans have to stand together, we can't let those subversives like Oldfool who want to replace the American staple  "hot dogs "with those evil Tacos. I understand the 3rd world cesspool metaphor, and fear that if it ever becomes a reality the proceeds might be shipped to Kern, and  have  faced that problem once before.
Yes, we have to secure our Borders, if we do not they will last as long as the borders lasted for America's first inhabitants, you remember Sam, your ancestors, so you claim.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 12:17 PM
Bantu makes my tongue hurt.  My brother used to be able to make that sound and I would flinch every time I heard it.
posted by anglo1 on Jun 28, 2007 at 01:14 PM

This is ridiculous.  Home Depot gets no benefit from the day laborers.  The contractors are going to be there anyway.  No way.  I do think they should make them move off their property. 

posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 01:17 PM
Call the Minutemen, maybe they can keep them off the premises, now that would be patriotic!
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 01:25 PM
I was just kidding, they should not be on the property. Earlier this year I was accosted by two of these grungy fellows. The  jumped in my truck  and when I got home, they jumped off and cut down  my  tree in the back yard. Than, they had the gall to ask for 100 dollars and remarked that my driveway was not up to par and if called the police, they would come back and make it look like new.
posted by OldBlue56 on Jun 28, 2007 at 02:57 PM
I just got back from buying some lumber for a fence at the Home Depot on Mt. Vernon. When I came out to load my truck, a man hanging around in the parking lot approached and apparently asked if he could help me load the truck. Since I don't speak spanish, I assume that is what he wanted.
posted by randomfactor on Jun 28, 2007 at 03:05 PM
"No, gracias."
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 04:12 PM
Love it!!
posted by redkernhero on Jun 28, 2007 at 05:11 PM
Because you are my buddy Blue, I will give you some help. Next one of these fellers approaches just mark these words ans say to them" me gustan tus nalgas" . I promise, they will treat you like a brother or at least as much of a buddy as I do.
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posted by on Jun 28, 2007 at 07:25 PM

johnburnssucks

This is ridiculous. Home Depot gets no benefit from the day laborers. The contractors are going to be there anyway. No way.  I do think they should make them move off their property. 

Here's a quick and easy way to disperse those day laborers. Some may consider this method a tad bit extreme, but it is an effective way to clear out that parking lot in nothing flat.

posted by NancyII on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:08 PM
John..your picture is x'd out. 
posted by sagefever on Jun 28, 2007 at 08:49 PM
Most contractors that I know really do not use Home depot~they get better treatment elsewhere.I betting if they did not want them there they would ask them to go or use any of the human suggestions described.lol night folks it time for popcorn and the circus..I mean the debates!
posted by dfwilliamson on Jul 1, 2007 at 11:33 AM
Then if people are congregating in parking lots or sidewalks to be the first to buy tickets, new I pods, MP3,s, I Phones, the stores should be required to provide facilities. ie: water, shelter, food, restrooms, baby diaper changing stations, heat, airconditioning, first aid, seating, etc.   
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