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NancyII - > Things that interest ME -> LEARNING FROM A 'CHURCH' OF HATE..Jeff Jacoby
LEARNING FROM A 'CHURCH' OF HATE..Jeff Jacoby
 

LEARNING FROM A 'CHURCH' OF HATE

By Jeff Jacoby

The Boston Globe

 

Wednesday, October 31, 2007

 

http://www.boston.com/news/...

 

     Belief in God is no guarantee of goodness. Piety without ethics -- religious fanaticism -- can be a prescription for great evil, as centuries of religious brutality and bloodshed make all too clear. A millennium ago, Crusaders massacred their victims to the cry of "Deus lo volt!" - "God wills it!" Islamist radicals exclaim "Allahu Akbar" -- "God is great" -- as they behead innocent hostages and crash airliners into the World Trade Center.

 

     But you don't have to look back into history or to the global jihad for evidence that zealots who care more about God than about goodness bring cruelty and pain into the world. Consider instead the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

     A self-described "Primitive Baptist" congregation led by Fred Phelps, the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas is a fringe hate group obsessed with homosexuality. (It is not affiliated with any official Baptist convention.) It numbers only several dozen followers, most of whom are related to each other and who travel the country with picket signs insisting that America has been cursed because of its tolerance for gays.

 

     The essence of what the Westboro members call their "picketing ministry" is mockery of the victims of tragedy, and the cheering of deadly disasters as God’s vengeance against the wicked. They claim that they "used to pray for the good of America" but decided that the nation is beyond redemption. Accordingly, they now "pray daily for more outpourings of God's justice and wrath on this evil, hateful nation" and celebrate "hurricanes, floods, tornadoes, earthquakes, IEDs, collapsing mines, and more" as instruments of divine wrath.

 

     What the Westboro Church lacks in numbers, it more than makes up in rhetorical poison. Among the messages featured on its pickets are "God Hates Fags," "Thank God for Katrina," "God Hates Your Tears," and "Thank God for the California Fires." The group's websites proclaim gleefully that the "Utah miners are in hell," as are "the Amish children in Pennsylvania" and "Coretta Scott King . . . with her husband."

 

     Westboro has become especially notorious in recent years for demonstrating at the funerals of US troops killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. "These turkeys are not heroes," one of the group’s websites sneers. "They are lazy, incompetent idiots looking for jobs because they're not qualified for honest work. They were raised on a steady diet of fag propaganda in the home, on TV, in church, in school, in mass media. . . .  They voluntarily joined a fag-infested army to fight for a fag-run country now utterly and finally forsaken by God who Himself is fighting against that country."

 

A Westboro Baptist Church member protested at a funeral in California.

 

A Westboro Baptist Church member protested at a funeral in California. (Newscom)

 

 

     As a legal matter, it is not easy to silence such contemptible spewings. The First Amendment, as Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, safeguards not just "free thought for those who agree with us, but freedom for the thought that we hate." Several Legislatures have passed laws restricting protests in the vicinity of funerals, but such laws may be vulnerable on constitutional grounds. They would also have little effect on most Westboro picketing.

 

     A federal jury in Baltimore this week is weighing a different kind of legal challenge. The father of Lance Corporal Matthew Snyder, a 20-year-old Marine killed in Iraq, is suing the Westboro church for picketing his son's funeral last year with signs reading "God Hates You" and "Thank God for Dead Soldiers." Albert Snyder argues that the picketers' unwanted presence and naked cruelty should be punished as an unlawful invasion of privacy and intentional infliction of emotional distress. (Full details, and a fund to help defray the Snyder family's legal costs, are at matthewsnyder.org.)

 

     But even if it isn't legally possible to stop the Westboro hatemongers, it is possible to learn from them. They offer a vivid demonstration of why belief in God is dangerous if it doesn't include the belief that God's foremost demand is that human beings act with kindness and decency. Fred Phelps and his followers appear to believe fervently in God. Their literature is replete with quotations from the Bible. But the only passages that appear to interest them are those that warn of God's punishment for wicked behavior. Glaringly absent from their signs, websites, and press releases is the central teaching of ethical monotheism -- not just that there is a God, but that God wants men and women to be good to each other. God does not smile on those who taunt victims instead of helping them.

 

     Does the Bible condemn homosexuality? Yes -- but not nearly as often as it condemns those who treat others with cruelty and injustice. Consider, for example, the message of Exodus 22 to those, like the Westboro funeral picketers, who add to the grief of widows and children:

 

     "You shall not afflict any widow or fatherless child. If you afflict them in any way, and they cry at all to Me, I will surely hear their cry, and My wrath will become hot." That passage, for some reason, doesn’t seem to be included in the Westboro websites.

 

    To the fanatics from Topeka, no calling is higher than hating homosexuals and anyone who doesn't share that hatred. But the Bible they thump so intolerantly actually teaches something quite different:

 

     "He has shown you, O man, what is good," the prophet Micah said, in words that echo through the ages. "What does God require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" It is a shining mark in America's favor that the Westboro Baptist Church is so small.

 

(Jeff Jacoby is a columnist for The Boston Globe.)

 

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posted by RoyTullis on Oct 31, 2007 at 09:59 PM
Good post Nancy. As usual the bad apples get most of the press.
posted by NancyII on Oct 31, 2007 at 10:02 PM

Thanks Roy. 

I like Jacoby.  I usually take flak (or he does) every time I post his column but when I feel he has something important to say, I share it regardless of popular opinion.  Sometimes it isn't interesting..or not something I can get behind but this one I certainly can.

 

posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 07:46 AM

Objectively, how do we *KNOW*  they're the bad apples?  They cite the same Bible verses others do--what makes their interpretation of Scripture any less valid than a hundred other sects?  Sure they get more press than the others--but many of the others are working towards the same end, to keep gays from having equal participation in society. 

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(Subjectively, of course, there's absolutely no doubt.  Anyone who teaches such hatred of another simply because of their sexual orientation is evil.)

posted by NancyII on Nov 1, 2007 at 07:59 AM

It isn't all about sexual orientation.  The business of marching and protesting soldiers funerals is the issue most get upset about.  When somone is grieving they sure don't need a fanatic group telling them their loved one is a monster.

posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:09 AM

Why are they protesting soldier's funerals?  Because the soldiers and their commanders didn't hate "the gay" enough.

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It's *ALL* about the sexual orientation issue, Nancy.  They just use the soldiers' funerals because it gets them more media attention for their real cause.  One that they share with groups like the "American Family Association."

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An unpaid judgement is nothing to Phelps' cult.  Let's *REALLY* piss them off and make gays full citizens in US society.  That'll show them.

posted by NancyII on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:32 AM

Whatever their ultimate goal..they turn more people agaisnt them than they gather.  Unless you count the ones who are as sick as they are of course. 

The thing about people like that is that they are guaranteed the right to say what they want and gather as much as they want (within legal guidelines) to harass others while criticizing the very laws that allow them to do that.

Did that make any sense?  LOL

posted by sojourner7 on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:46 AM
Forget Nancy, Random is of the secular fundmentalist faith.  You can't reason with him anymore than you can reason with those of the Westboro Heresy.  One things this blog shows is that haters come in all flavors.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:47 AM

Almost any church says that more won't be saved than will.  They don't want converts, they want money.

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posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:48 AM
So you'll condemn the Westboro church for being against homosexuality, Buffoo?  Mighty big of you.
posted by NancyII on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:52 AM

On my part, I condemn them for the hatred they spread in the name of a God they don't even understand.  It's been said on here numerous times that you can get anything out of the Bible that you want as long as you take it out of context.

I don't argue religion but I will state my personal feelings about it.  And I don't consider that arguing.  I believe what I believe..you folks are free to believe what you believe,  and in the end..we'll all find out who was right and who was wrong.

Or, if we're all wrong..we wont.

posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 08:55 AM
And that's the way to approach it, as individual beliefs--and not written into law.  And with Buffoo on our side now, we can finally get gays the equality they deserve.
posted by sojourner7 on Nov 1, 2007 at 09:39 AM
No Random.  I follow the God Who is Love.  Who is sadden by sinners whether they be Christian, secular fundamentalist, straight, gay, etc...  And on the homosexual issue; God said to hate the sin, not the person.  As I pointed out homosexuality is a spiritual, moral, and psychological illness and it is more loving to witness to that fact.  Then to enable someone in their sickness because I am afraid to speak the truth. 
posted by robbwillis on Nov 1, 2007 at 09:48 AM
Gee, do suppose these Westboro bozos are the same type of haters that say "homosexuality is a disease"?
posted by randomfactor on Nov 1, 2007 at 10:51 AM
The God who has *NO* problem with homosexuals.  The whole "hate the sin, love the sinner" bit is wearing a bit thin.  You can hate the sin all you want, but if you're preventing gays from marrying the ones whom *THEY* love and enjoying the same life *YOU* have, it ain't from love on *YOUR* part.  Ditto your lies about homosexuals.  You and Phelps share the same hate.  He just hides it less effectively.
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