"Not for the weak stomached or the  "civilized"..but appropriate."

appropriate to what ... ?

there's been only 35 public beheadings this year in Saudia Arabia, so far.

--virgil

 That's better than last year, though, when there were twice that many at this time, according to Amnesty international.

I had no idea they still crucify people ( and, dead, headless, bodies ) in the town square.

--virgil

Considering that I once read that Muslims are breeding at the rate of six or seven children per family while we are doing likewise at 2.1 or so -- regrettably reflecting the third of the unborn that don't survive state-sanctioned murder, something practically unheard of in Saudi Arabia -- it's not too difficult to connect the dots to see what's in store for our future. Indeed, choice has its consequences. Perhaps they will be the ones to behead and crucify Roe v. Wade.

Skip the irrevelant crap virgil..your post has nothing to do with the reason.   Anyone who molests a child then kills the father to hide it deserves the harshest punishment possible.

  Nancy,

No need to be snooty.

You think that it's appropriate for the govt. to publicly behead and then crucify the headless body of child molestors .

Well, that's your opinion - I happen to disagree with it.

You know, that punishment did not deter this guy from  doing what he did.

--virgil

I'm not snooty I'm just tired of you coming up with off the wall comments like your first post.  If you think it's ok to mollycoddle child molesters then that's YOUR opinion - I happen to disagree with it.

"Perhaps they will be the ones to behead and crucify Roe v. Wade."

Pax, is this your idea or God's ?

--virgil

Nancy,

I did not say mollycoddle .

--virgil

Barbarism is barbarism, sorry...

I don't know, but I think the public crucifixion of a headless body after it had just been publically beheaded is disgusting and absurd.

--virgil

I bet the rate of recidivism is much lower than here.  That alone may be reason enough to let the Saudis alone.  May make the "Capitol Punishment doesn't Work" crowd even more irrelevant.  Beheading, firing squad, lethal injection etc. whatever your community prefers is the way it should be.  I have often thought the offended family should be pick the method of death for the convicted especially in cases as this.  Barbaric? Tuff.

" Barbaric? Tuff."

You mean like this kind of tough:  http://www.youtube.com/watc...

--virgil

Know I meeen Touph.

These guys are tough ...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

--virgil

Molesting children is disgusting.

AD, I agree and molesting children is barbarism.

I won't apologize for my feelings about people who hurt children for their own pleasure.  I have no tolerance and no mercy for them and no punishment is bad enough rough enough, painful enough or disgusting enough.

In addition....while severe punishment may not deter others, it ensures that THAT particular piece of garbage won't be out of prison in a few years to possibly molest someone in your family.

" ... garbage won't be out of prison in a few years to possibly molest someone in your family."

Nancy,

Child molesters are not just garbage. They are also school teachers, pastors, priests, police officers, loan officers ...

I do what I can to protect my  daughters and to teach them to protect themselves.

As to the idea of justice , it must be served. No doubt about that. 

--virgil

Did it ever occur to you that maybe child molestation is the result of mental instability?  I'm just as apalled and disgusted by such a crime, but to automatically have the opinion that such an act must be dealt with in such a manner is, as AD put it, barbaristic in it's own right.  Execution might solve the problem on an individual level, but it isn't addressing the root cause. 

The problem with our society is that we automatically look to punishment and imprisonment as solutions to the problems of crime.  If we were to put more resources into researching the root causes of such actions and thoughts, maybe we could work towards pevention, thereby decreasing the likelihood that any child would suffer from such a heinous act.

If a child is damaged for life or killed by a molester I don't much care about the root cause.  You think knowing the root cause will save YOUR child when the molester is "cured?"

Besides the molester in question killed the father to cover up his crime.  Do you feel better knowing the root cause for That?

I agree with Nancy, Virgil, Do you really believe all that crap you posted or are you just trying to irritate Nancy? 

If a child is damaged for life or killed by a molester I don't much care about the root cause.  You think knowing the root cause will save YOUR child when the molester is "cured?"

So, in other words, you don't care that these people might be suffering from an illness that might be controlling their reasoning and actions?  You're willing to end someone's life, even if the acts committed were not done so during sane consciousness.  I pity you and your heartlessness.

Also, the whole point I was making was to center on identifying such behaviors before a crime is committed.  If we treated mental illness the same as we do physical illness, it'd be possible.

As far as saving my own (future) child - I would hope and pray that such an act would never befall them, but should it ever occur, I would want to do my best to remain focused on my Christian values and beliefs, and instead of harboring hatred and demanding total justice, instead exercise restraint and compassion for the one that illed my offspring and family.  I would want to do everything in my power to help such a person get well, since it's obvious to everyone in the psychological community that child molestation is not a normal function of the human mind, and is therefore an illness that should be cured. 

Besides the molester in question killed the father to cover up his crime.  Do you feel better knowing the root cause for That?

I think a crime committed should be punished, but to automatically resort to a death sentence is unjust, unfair and unproductive.

I think they should slowly cut off their heads...If they have a mental problem that cause's them to commit these horrific crimes, then who needs them around anyway.

VIRGIL/FSG......................are you two out of your freekin' minds????  "prevention" "rehab" has been tried..........molesters  are what they are and NO amount of hand holding is going to change them. Just like people who are homosexual, they are who they are and nothing is going to change for them. And no, we are not going to barbarically "punish" Homosexuals, but then they (most anyway) do not go around molesting children. Child molesters are like rapists - they are never, never going to change. Maybe if the USA implemented more "barbaric" punishment there would not be some of the problems we have here today. Granted there would still be people who do these horrid things but very few - we would have less crowded jails and less state money being spent to "save" these jerks.

Lana: I agree, if we cut off theier heads..........................NO MORE MENTAL PROBLEM!!!

are you two out of your freekin' minds????  "prevention" "rehab" has been tried..........molesters  are what they are and NO amount of hand holding is going to change them.

What qualifies you to make that kind of a statement? Are you a Psychiatrist?

Just like people who are homosexual, they are who they are and nothing is going to change for them.

There's a major difference between the psychological makeup of someone who is homosexual versus someone who molests children.  Sexuality is more fluid.

Child molesters are like rapists - they are never, never going to change.

Child molesters are rapists.  I'm not denying this.  I'm not even defending them, but that doesn't mean that death is the best option for them.  Put them on an island for all I care - but I'm so sick of people glorifying death all the time.

Maybe if the USA implemented more "barbaric" punishment there would not be some of the problems we have here today.

That's not going to stop the problem, which is my entire point.  Child Molestors usually come from psychologically damaged pasts - the threat of death isn't going to stop them.  However, if we as a country were willing to spend more resources into understanding better why these things happen, we might be able to decrease the amount of children who are abused and grow up to become perverted and damaged.  I'm not supporting the release of molestors into society, but once again, please tell me how killing them really solves the problem? 

Moslems also behead people for converting to another religion, having sex---all kinds of "crimes" that can get a person executed, especially if you're female.

They just take the Bible more literally than some Christians do.

What a waste of a beautiful island!   Death is the only option if you want to save another child from going through this.  No one benefits from keeping them alive.  they never stay behind bars for long and then are again living in our neighborhoods, and around our children.  So if you think cutting off their heads is  too much...How about hanging them slowly or at least until their head falls off!!....BTW, LOL witterpitters..exactly!

You know, Lana,  I don't think Kerntown  even apologized to those people falsely accused and convicted in Kerntown's molestation ring case (s).

Do you think they (we) should?  I suppose, though, that  if we had cut their heads off that question would not be an issue.  

Your guys' idea is indeed more simple - cuts out the middle man, so to speak.

No habeas corpus, just corpus decapitatus.

--virgil

" If a child is damaged for life or killed by a molester I don't much care about the root cause"

Nancy,

I would think the spectacle of a public beheading and crucifixion of the headless corpse would be damaging to children in its own rite.

--virgil

Virgil, you bring up the #1 most important point when discussing the death penalty. What if the person was truly innocent?

Would you all fell better if they had put all those innocent people to death that were falsely accused of molestation? Would they "deserve it" or would death be a sentence that is impossible to reverse?

By reading some of the above comments, I suspect that it would be OK with some of you if innocents were killed as long as we "got" a few that really did it.

 I have no tolerance and no mercy for them and no punishment is bad enough rough enough, painful enough or disgusting enough.

I couldn't agree more, Nancy.

 No one benefits from keeping them alive.

I wonder if you'd change your tune if you were falsely accused of a crime in which the death penalty were an option?

Wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was one of your kids or a close family member they molested?

 Wonder if you'd feel the same way if it was one of your kids or a close family member they molested?

I would hope that I'd feel the same way.  I try not to let hatred guide my thoughts and feelings, for such a thing clouds one's true judgement.  It doesn't appear you feel the same way.

The folks who rush to judgement not only ignore the admonitions of Jesus not to do same, but also reveal themselves as not interested in real research on the topic.

The League of Women Voters - one of the most bipartisan groups in the country has this to say about the Death Penalty:

"Murder rates in states with a death penalty are higher than in states without a death penalty. FBI Uniform Crime Statistics for 2003 show that the South, which accounts for over 80% of executions, had the highest murder rate, 6.9 per 100,000 people.  The Northeast, with 1% of all executions, had the lowest murder rate, 4.2 per 100,000.  States that have abolished or instituted capital punishment show no significant changes in either crime or murder rates."

 http://www.lwvnm.org/deathp...

The data on this has been clear for a long time. Any belief to the contrary is just that: belief. Empiricism cares not a whit about what you would like to think was true on this subject (and any other, for that matter). The Truth simply is. And gladly, it is often accessible to those who seek it.

Nancy, I think that the taliban and others of that stripe are laughing their heads off at the tizzy we're in about how to provide the fairest trial to these guys.  They're laughing because their kind of  "trial" would be a quick beheading, and that would be the end of it.  We agonize over whether we can provide a fair trial.  The difference does define us, but it's maddening at the same time -- that we must sit fiddling and wondering how best to coddle these guys.  Maybe we should just give 'em a slap on the wrist, turn 'em loose in Washington, D.C., put them in subsidized housing, provide food stamps and Medicare.  In exchange, they would be required to go to church. 

To coddle or kill? Is there no middle ground here that you recognize, ALICEN? Truly?

Nancy, I apologize for having the wrong subject matter in mind when I wrote my comment.  In fact, my comment didn't relate to your blog topic, so again I apologize for my (probably) confusing comment. 

Disregarding whatever I wrote relating to another topic altogether, and addressing the topic of your blog, I have this to say:  Saudi Arabia is entitled to make its own laws.  I congratulate them for having the backbone to do this.  The U.S., on the other hand, has for the last few years been tending to view the laws of other countries of the world before having the utter audacity to come to a legal conclusion all by itself.  I view this as wishy-washy and believe that our own Constitution and other state and local laws should be the only guides judges use in making judgments. 

More power to the Saudis for making their own rules and sticking to them. 

ALICEN - I'm sure you'll ignore me as usual, but here goes a shot:

Our Government likes for us to think that we're better than the Taliban.  In some respects, we are.  In other respects, however, we're just like they are.  At least, we have been.  I think Obama's finally turning that around - slowly, but surely.

anglo1:  I thought your comment about recidivism was humorous. 

 More power to the Saudis for making their own rules and sticking to them.

I wonder if you realize that Saudi law is based upon their own version of Islam (Wahhabism), which is a complete alteration of the Qu'ran.  Yes... more power to them for circumventing their own scriptures in order to promote barbarism, sexism and other forms of oppression.

FSG, just a thought; Alicen will treat you with respect if you treat her with respect. 

Alicen and I have quite a number of differences, and we get along just fine.  Actually, she's one of the handful with whom I would consider discussing politics.

Alicen, I don't know how to say it more nicely than to suggest that if one can condone that sort of punishment against anyone, one ought to take a really long pause and ask one's self just how different they are from the barbaric parts of the world that we claim to abhor.  If one can contemplate doing that to even one person, I can only say, stop and think.

That is unless you think that the founding fathers had a lapse of sanity when they adopted the 8th amendment.

You know how I feel about mob mentalities.  We have discussed it before.  Politely.  :)

 FSG, just a thought; Alicen will treat you with respect if you treat her with respect. 

I would gladly treat her with respect if she'd give me the time of day.  I sent her a message once and even made a blog post apologizing for my actions almost a year (if not a full year) ago.  I have yet to see any response.  Any time I make a comment regarding something she has said, it is never responded to, even if it's an honest question.  I am still banned from her blog.

I honestly don't know what else is expected of me in order to have open dialogue.

FSG, try an olive branch.

Alicen, please try accepting it.

No I don't feel the same way, I think if a molester rapes a child and goes to jail and gets out and does it  again and again and again, How many times do you think they should keep getting away with  it before you actually say 'hey maybe this twisted sicko is guilty" ? I say once.  I understand your point of maybe they aren't guilty,   but way too many are guilty and keep doing it . So OFF WITH THEIR&n bsp;HEADS!! OK  I'm done with this blog! I'm not going to change my mind...Cut off their heads,  hang them or torture  them...All Great solutions to an out of control problem.

lana - I'd rather keep them in jail for life than execute them or put them back on the streets.  Do you really think I wouldn't advocate the safety of children?

Cut off their heads,  hang them or torture  them...All Great solutions to an out of control problem.

Yes.. as if someone with deep seated psychological problems isn't already tortured enough..

   Poor tortured child molesters!  well I'm all for putting them out of their misery!!   I mean i wouldn't want them to suffer anymore then they have too!.

Tell ya what FSG, come back after you've had a couple of kids and learn what THAT kind of love is like.  You won't know it  until you experience it.

"I pity you and your heartlessness"  And I, yours.

I was recently told by a new father that he had no idea he could love like that.   He thought it would be like other family members but now he knows what it feels like to know that you would gladly die for your child and that you would fight tigers for them, and that you would want the most severe punishment for anyone who put them through the terror and the begging for mommy and daddy while some MONSTER tortured them.  Children put their utmost trust in their parents to keep them safe and to know my little one was crying for me to save him. while he suffered......................Jesus God in Heaven DO NOT presume to know what that's like, what I should feel or call me heartless you pompous sniveling CHILD !

GOOD GOD that pissed me off.  For other parents here who tend to be "understanding" of monsters like that let your mind go...think about it deeply and don't say "I'm just not going there."  GO THERE and tell me I'm heartless.

I've had a couple of kids, and I pity those who look to fundamentalist regimes for moral guidance.

Especially when their own Bible prescribes death for a disobedient child.