Hey slick, prison guards ARE NOT cops! Do your homework.

THEY SURE ACT LIKE IT

OB - you beat me to it - CO's are babysitters that hand out bologna sandwiches and cold set ups. And apparantly use meth. At least he called in sick for his shift instead of no-showing, what a responsible guy.

It's because most of them could not get hired as cops.

cocaine's a hell of a drug

GB41, Im pretty sure these guys were not using "coke" it was meth,crank,dope,speed...big difference.

As you know tj, meth is pretty much out of the system after 72 hours so work may not be an issue.  Also, the CO had called in sick (no kidding) so he wasn't going to work high as a kite.  They both had extremely high levels of meth in them and were totally spun.  If you folks think alcohol related driving is bad, remember it isn't the only way you can be driving under the influence.

Besides, people work under the influence all the time.  A simple ongoing random testing system should weed most of them out.

Nancy the levels of meth in their system tells me that they were habitual users. Generaly people using meth for the first time do not have toxic amounts in their system, it takes a lot less for people to get high when they haven't done it before or don't do it often.

ob that's weird I thought prison guards were considered officers, so if an inmate attacks a prison guard it's not assult on an officer, and why do they wear sherriff uniforms and have names like sergeant,slick?

I've never met a jerk correctional officer. And I've known quite a few. However it wouldn't surprise me if inmates thought they were jerks. They all think they are innocent anyway.

Of course, you can't work with crap all day without getting a little on you. As these two guys can attest.

I'm an a safety OFFICER where I work. My brother was a SARGEANT in the military. The labels are not just for cops.

"“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes"

GB41, I don't think their names were Rick or Charlie, but I appreciate your comment. :-)

The two guys are dead.  Sure it was because they were high but, lighten up and let it be.  Have a little respect.  What if they were your friends or family members?  There is no need to bash these guys.

witbee I don't care how you put it these guys were more at fault than alot of the inmates...they alread knew the consequences!

Sorry vwriroy

I run out of sympathy when two meth heads kill themselves while driving under the influence. 

these guys are not victims, the women and babies they left behind are! dead or not this should be a lesson for dirty cops, you all have an obligation to society say nope to dope...

It's true.....the vast majority of Correction officers are scum. I know this for a fact,. My wife works at a prison & so do other people I have close ties to. My wife's brother is a C.O. & he admits to many corrupt things that take place with in the prison system. Delano State prison was visited by MSNBC and the video documentary was confiscated by the prison officials & was never released to the public. The film contained footage of blatant corruption. Many of the prison workers got a hold of this "banned" MSNBC Documentary. Hopefully it will surface on the Internet soon.

I must say I know quite a few CO's and they are not cocky bullies like a couple of different agencies here in Kern County. Co's are babysitters.....Cops are gang members.

Definition of Bakersfield LE...

A group of criminals or hoodlums who band together for mutual protection and profit...

 TJ--- correction officers are not police officers aka COPS. they are CO's. get it straight. Just like a detention officer is not a COP. different training, different rules, different circumstances.

It's false... the vast majority of correction officers are decent, hardworking people doing a job you are too afraid to do. I know this because I've known dozens of CO's and without exception each one of them has been good people. They wouldn't work in a corrupt industry.

I'm sure this "MSNBC documentary" is in the same place as the 100mpg carburetor, the black helicoptors and the Chupacabra.

As in all professions, there are good LE and bad LE.   No one professional group is ALL bad.

Witbee stop being an apologist for the disgusting filth who are employed by state prisons. Actually My wife's dad and brother both hold copies of the MSNBC documentary.

most co's that I know are punks that think their somebody....There are exceptions to that rule ..I have a good friend that is a capt out at CCI and he is one of the nicest guys you will ever meet........Inside and outside the prison he treats everyone like a person.....He is the exception....most are jerks......

Back in my tweeking days one of the girls that ran in our group was a prison guard that tweeked for years before she lost her job........The only difference between most inmates and CO's is the CO'c get to go home every night.....

To add my two cents worth, my uncle worked with this guy who happened to be calling in sick quite regularly towards the end.  Couple days after the accident, my uncle said it was probably meth.  But again, that's all hear say.

"The only difference between most inmates and CO's is the CO'c get to go home every night....."

Exactly gube......that is a spot on observation.

I have no need to apologize for them. The vast majority have done nothing to apologize for. Should they apologize for keeping the bad guys behind bars? Naw.

chupacabra!

witbee, I really think you are missing the point... THEY ARE THE BAD GUYS, APPERENTLY THEY AREN'T EVEN COPS!!!!

One more thing about that MSNBC show.....it actually aired on MSNBC before it was yanked.

They didn't drive off the bridge.  They crossed over the center divider and left the road right before the bridge, hit a guard rail which got them airborne and upside down, flew down the embankment and hit the first trailer of a two trailer big rig going westbound on 58.  They may have lived if they would have actually made it to the bridge.  I don't care that they were high...it's just sad.

If they weren't high and driving impaired, they still may be here.

Okay tj, when a "guard" is on duty, he/she is considered a correctional peace officer. So if they are assaulted, it's like an assault on a regular peace officer.

Regular peace officers, and there are A LOT of different categories of them, are peace officers 24/7. Guards only have their powers when they are on duty.

I realize you are not that bright, so I hope I explained it in simple enough terms.

And how did the KCSO detention officers treat you when you did your time in jail?  

Witbee.....I have had many conversations with a guy who was a high level officer. He told me how even if another officer commits a crime right in front of you, it' is customary to turn a blind eye.There is a code amongst C.O's.....no different than the inmates code of not ratting. In reality it's the system that stinks & crappy people are attracted to it......reminds of the movie Training Day.

My next door neighbors are all correctional officers - two men and a woman. They are pleasant and friendly. I spent three months in jail several years ago, but the officers treated me well because I acted like a rational human being. You get out of life what you put into it.

My dad was a guard at Alcatraz. Not a whole lot of "victims" in that place.

OB, You are the genious that said co's are not cops! I didn't know guards had "powers" can they climb walls cause we know they can't fly! By the way the KCSO treated me pretty good, I was pretty cool with most of them...But me and the cops like you didn't click to good, a bunch of know it all do gooders!

Training Day is one of the most unrealistic movies ever made about cops.

And ANY officer who sees a fellow officer commit a crime or wrong doing, and ignores it, should not be an officer any longer.

tj, that dead guard DID fly when he flew off the bridge!! It was the landing that wasn't so great.

Dope discriminates no one..food for thought for everyone....lesson learned????

This CO obviously didn't do Meth before he started working as a guard, so when did his addiction begin.  WHY did it begin?

If the driver was up for several days then he may have fell asleep at the wheel.........I KNOW they had high levels of meth in their system but that doesn't matter if they have been up for several days......When I used to use speed I would stay up for days and only sleep when my body would shut down due to pure exhaustion.. Many times I would be smoking speed trying to stay awake only to pass out and come too several hours latter with the speed pipe still in my hand....One time I fell asleep behind the wheel and ran into the back of a truck.......Thankfully no on was hurt but because i had not had any sleep for about a week  they couldn't wake me so they took me to the hospital were I slept for 8 hours before i woke up......They tried every thing to wake me but my body had shut down......When I woke up I remembered to accident and I ask the Dr if I was going to be arrested and he said no your alcohol level was only at .03........They never tested me for drugs so I got away with causing an accident while under the influence of meth...My meth level was as high as the 2 that died.............Meth is hell..........

OB - I agree completely with your statement RE: officers seeing a fellow officer committing a crime and ignores it should not be an officer, unfortunately, it happens all the time and the rare officer that does report it is run out on a rail. I wish it was different and I can only be responsible for my own actions, but when most of the punitive actions come from admin and supervisors, it really makes you think about it if you see something wrong.

TJ--- correction.. THEY didnt drive of a bridge, the DRIVER hit the center divider ect ect.. maybe you should get your facts straight?

tiff are you related to old blue? I stand corrected, now do you have something important to say or are you just monitoring the blogs?

 TJ- no i am not, but he actually has intelligent things to say, unlike yourself. 

everything i have said in this post has been important, correcting your statments is important, you need to get your facts straight.

oh tiff one more thing, how did they get from the top of the freeway to the bottom of the freeway?

I'm glad to see that some of you actually have a heart and are concerned about the people who were affected by this accident who weren't using drugs - namely, his wife, his 3-month old son, his mother, father, sisters, brothers, and numerous friends and other family members.

And the rest of you... turn the tables... if your spouse, parent, child, or best friend died in an accident that could have been prevented by being clean and sober (of anything - alcohol, recreational or prescription drugs), would you respect a person who didn't know them and blasted them in a public blog? No, you wouldn't. Show some respect for the family... Think what you want of the guys, they are gone and, in your eyes, just don't matter. But the families are still here... reading every last word you say.

TJ maybe if you read one the article you would know, or even one of the comments. Maybe you should try thinking before you speak/type. Its a good thing. Here let me copy and paste for you since you cant seem to read a few comments above. 

 "They crossed over the center divider and left the road right before the bridge, hit a guard rail which got them airborne and upside down, flew down the embankment and hit the first trailer of a two trailer big rig going westbound on 58.  They may have lived if they would have actually made it to the bridge."