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TomW - > All Politics Are Local -> Burn, Baby, Burn
Burn, Baby, Burn

Kicking off the new focus of my blog and with Christmas just around the corner, I thought I'd take a look at fireplaces.  For myself, there will probably never be a more cozy fire than the roaring blazes I experienced at Lodge Pole in the Sequoia National Park as a kid.  The mouth of the fireplace was large enough to walk into, the brick surround radiated heat and we all dripped and defrosted from our hiking and snowball fights.

We've got a lot of air issues involved with fireplaces and are now being forced to give up our wood fires.  (Personally, I'd rather see lawn mowers fitted with catalytic converters but I'll leave that for now.)  So what does the fireplace of the future look like?  For most of us, we'll probably make the transition to newer, cleaner fuels in the next 10 years and there are some cool things happening in the field.  Small wall mounted fireplaces, old reproduction stoves, even some pretty far out designs coming to a restaurant or bar near you. 

Here are a few of my favorite heating devices:

First up is Ecosmart out of Australia, who have put together a portable fireplace that burns alcohol.  I like environmentally friendly, I like portable and if you're going modern, go modern.  Basically, they sell a burn pot and frames that hold it.  Pretty nice if you just want to add a bit of flash to a space and get some heat as well.  Bonus here is that they say you don't need a chimney. 

http://www.ecosmartfire.com...


On the antique front, you can get reproduction fireplace inserts that burn gas and look like wood or coal fires.  Most of these companies are pretty strict on reposting their images though, so y'all can hunt them down yourselves. 

Heat and Glo is doing some cool things including these ultramodern bad boys: http://www.heatnglo.com/pro...

Spires of flame rising in the middle of a glass tube has to be worth tacking an extra buck or two onto every dinner or drink.

There is also a hydrogen fireplace developed by Heat and Glo called the Aqueon.  Basically, you run power and water to the device, the power converts the water into hydrogen and oxygen and burns the hydrogen creating water vapor, and the oxygen is released into the room, no chimney needed.  As cool is the idea seems, it has some major issues, like taking a high level form of energy and wasting it to convert the water and then wasting more in the burning process.  A better use of the power would be to hook up a bunch of light bulbs, which are 95% percent efficient at creating heat (only 5% of the power turns into light).  Of course, that would be less cool to look at.  Heat and Glow has pulled the $50,000 dollar hydrogen fireplace from the market for now, but I assume it will make a return. 

http://www.heatnglo.com/pro...

picture: http://www.bookofjoe.com/20...

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All of these fireplaces should be installed by professionals or at least by people who have a vested interest in the lives of the people using them.  How are you planning on staying warm this winter?

 

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posted by TomW on Monday, December 4, 2006 at 05:00 PM
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posted by randomfactor on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:21 PM
Anyone got a recommendation for a chimney sweep?  I'd like to have it done before the no-burn day on Christmas morning... :)
posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:22 PM
The house I'm working on now is going to have some of the classic-styled NG stoves installed. 

Something like this:

Stoves: Gas Stoves - Dirent Vent/Natural Vent: #2465 - DUTCHWEST DV
posted by jasonsperber on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:22 PM
When we vacationed in Santa Fe a few winters ago, we stayed in an inn that had kiva fireplaces in every room.  It's a great look if you've got that southwest thing going on.  That Ecosmart thing looks pretty cool (not child-friendly, though!). 
posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:26 PM
Jason, they have one design that just looks like an accident waiting to happen.  It's basically one of those burn pots on a set of cables suspended in a space.  Yikes!
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 4, 2006 at 05:39 PM
I saw one last night that was very neat looking..it was called Fire and Ice. It looked like icecubes with a flame in the middle..very asthetically pleasing..I assume it was gas?
posted by dgrealish on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:06 PM
Random, I've used A&R Chimney Sweeps for years.  They've done a great job cleaning my chimney,(never a mess) inspecting my fireplace and installing a spark arrester on my chimney. And they're reasonably priced.   I haven't had a fire in my fire place for the past 4 years because my shake roof needs replacing and even with the spark arrester, I'm very nervous about anything hot near it. 
posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:08 PM
Here's one that is propane powered: http://bbqislandinc.com/pro...

Looks like you cn buy the "ice" and add it to any fire pit you want.
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:12 PM
Asthetically pleasing is quite expensive Tom..jeez. :P
posted by randomfactor on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:22 PM
Dg, that's a good point.  I've got a shake roof in need as well...maybe should look into a spark box while I'm at it.
posted by dgrealish on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:37 PM
I will be replacing my roof ASAP.  It has caused me quite a few nervous moments the past few years.  Fourth of July is a nightmare.  One of my neighbors loves those projectile fireworks!
posted by randomfactor on Dec 4, 2006 at 06:39 PM

I'm hoping to nurse mine through one more winter with spot repairs.  But I had a hose ready July 4 like you. 

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(When I get the roof replaced I certainly won't lack for kindling for the fireplace...)

posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 07:01 PM
No kidding, Dusty.  Even spending crazy money is not a guarantee of beauty though.  The hydrogen fireplace above looks like it got whacked by the ugly stick a number of times before it left the factory.  The swirling fires though are really cool, and I'd go to a restaraunt or bar just to check one out.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 4, 2006 at 07:07 PM
RF, sounds like you've already got a spark box. ; )
It's probably pretty expensive, but try to replace your roof with concrete tiles. They're rated at 30 years.

Does that hydrogen fireplace actually increase the percentage of oxygen in the air (inside of course)?
posted by TomW on Dec 4, 2006 at 07:14 PM
It does, Pete, though I hope not to the point that it would become a problem...maybe that's why they pulled it off the market.

As for the concrete tile roof, you need to make sure your roof can take the weight.  You can get 30 asphalt roofing as well and you can get it in colors too.  From http://www.thehousedesigner...

Weight
Weight can easily be over-looked by many new builders. The weight should be considered before the roofing purchase. The roofing frame being built for your home will naturally only be able to hold so much weight. Asphalt shingles are approximately 250 pounds per 100 square feet, where as slate is about 2,000 pounds. Any weight over 600 pounds per 100 square feet will require strengthening of the standard roof frame.
posted by anglo1 on Dec 5, 2006 at 03:21 AM
Schedule the roof for the spring or late fall especially  if going with roofing that will require reinforcing the rafters.  My neighbor went with tile after removing shake, in the summer, the workers had to rotate in and out of the attic because of the intense heat. That took more time and more money.  Nice break on your homeowners insurance and piece of mind when using the fireplace and around the Fourth of July.  Check your CCRs if applicable.
posted by tonyh on Dec 5, 2006 at 03:24 AM

Tom,

I posted an Engineer's opinion on fireplaces on the "Check before lighting fires" blog, before I saw your blog. I think it applies more to your blog than the other one.

It sort-of explains the efficiency (or lack of) for regular fireplaces and typical wood stoves.

Sorry I didn't find your blog first. 

posted by randomfactor on Dec 5, 2006 at 03:34 PM
Thanks for the roofing information.   Next fall looks like my best bet.  I like the look of the tiles but will be going with asphalt shingles.  No CCR's to worry about, thank goodness,  except the one which foretells a "Bad Moon Rising."
posted by TomW on Dec 5, 2006 at 04:22 PM
Tony, I checked your post on the other blog.  Thanks for the great info.  You're right about the replacement air and the efficiency of fireplaces.  A lot of new fireplaces take advantage of the double wall flue to pump in replacement air.  It's all about cost.
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