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Post whatever you want. Here's what I'm looking at today:
State weighs cutting "idiot" from constitution PHILADELPHIA, Jan 8 (Reuters Life!) - New Jersey is to consider cutting the word 'idiot' from its constitution so that people with some mental disabilities won't be barred from voting. State Senate President Richard Codey introduced a bill on Monday that would remove language from the New Jersey constitution that was designed more than 150 years ago to prevent people suffering from mental illness or handicap from casting their vote in national, state or local elections. Codey wants to eliminate a section that says "no idiot or insane person should enjoy the right of suffrage" and substitute with a reference to "a person who has been adjudicated by a court of competent jurisdiction to lack the capacity to understand the act of voting."
Bush Speaks tonight: WH: Bush to acknowledge mistakes in Iraq
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush will tell the nation Wednesday night he will send more than 20,000 additional American forces to Iraq, acknowledging that it had been a mistake earlier not to have more American and Iraqi troops fighting the war, a senior administration official said.Seeking support for a retooled strategy to win support for the unpopular war, the president also will acknowledge that the rules of engagement were flawed, White House counselor Dan Bartlett said. 47 comments from 10 users
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posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 08:59 AM
posted by
marsh
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:00 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:04 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:07 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:10 AM
posted by
adampayne
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:17 AM
That London poster is creepy, and I totally agree with Pete's take on the Orwellian look observation. Interesting and provocative post TomW! posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:18 AM
That poster is scary.... But post what I want, really? Ok, forget about that crap. Let me share with you the most precious of simple pleasures that makes my life great, it's not politics. I dropped of my 9 year old daughter of at school, and she wanted to hang back for a minute. I asked, is everything ok? She said sort of. I asked aren't you happy; what would make you happy? I assumed there was some reason she didn't want to go to school. She told me a puppy would make her happy. And then she assured me she would train it and take care of it (we have a dog, my pic). I let her have her puppy moment and didn't say anything either way, because I know she knows what the answer would be. I gave her a big ole hug and now she was happy to go off to school. After she got out of the car she turned around as she walked away, and I blew her a kiss. Both of her hands were full, so she did the only thing she could. She opened her mouth and caught my blown kiss, then clamped her teeth down shut. I laughed all the way home. Politics schmolitics! posted by
antiextremism
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:23 AM
Yeah I'll be curious, after Georgie reluctantly admits to making a few mistakes, how he will justify his plan to add the 82nd Airborne to the troops in Iraq. Let's review, the Democrats don't want it, the American people don't want it, the Republicans don't want it, the military leaders don't want it....but he knows what's best. I'm sure he'll be wavin' the flag tonight, but his face will say....Nancy Grace.
posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:24 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:24 AM
posted by
antiextremism
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:27 AM
Woof woof, Bush wants your child to have a cat instead. You want a puppy, you're daughter wants a puppy, the puppy wants a home....but George knows what's best!
posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:34 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:34 AM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:37 AM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:43 AM
posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:44 AM
posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:48 AM
WHAT'S UP VENEZULA'S ASS! I heard this story. Ok sorry, now we are taking over all businesses. We the govt now owns you.. WTF? posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 09:56 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:01 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:06 AM
United for Peace & Justice Democracy For America TrueMajorityACTION.org CodePink Mainstreet Moms Progressive Democrats of America National Organization for Women (NOW) Unitarian Universalist Association of Congregations Faithful America Women's Action for New Directions (WAND) United Methodist General Board of Church and Society Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) Working Assets DC for Democracy Sojourners U.S. Labor Against the War Peace Action 20/20 Vision Feminist Majority American Friends Service Committee Most of these marches are around 6pm, so as many people as possible can participate. MoveOn and WCW are also participating..which for MoveOn, is quite unusual. Glad to see you put up an open thread Tom :) Do you consider this a valid use of it? Just curious.. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:09 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:10 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:12 AM
posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:24 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:25 AM
posted by
BJD
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:26 AM
Wait a minute. Did someone try to defend The Venezuelan dictator, for real? Chavez is doing things that HE thinks is best for his country, but why shouldn't THEY be able to do this? There is no THEY. Its only a HE. And HE is the inevitable end result of socialism, a dictator who thinks he knows best and can determine what is best for all of his people. It seems to me that he is doing the very same things you guys are trying to convince us that President Bush is doing. Yet you defend him and criticize Bush. Also, Ford doesn't say the Explorer is worth $40,000, you do. The product is priced at whatever the market will pay for it. And, why is it Haliburton's fault that the government can't control it's purse? Do you think there would be less corruption if the government controlled Haliburton? posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:28 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:31 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:35 AM
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:37 AM
BJD, *HE* is the legally-elected President of Venezuela. He has as much authority inside his country as Bush has inside the US. Which one's doing better? . Yes, I think there'd be less corruption if the government controlled Halliburton. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:47 AM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:49 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:54 AM
I don't think the govt should control Halliburton, just all the jobs that the govt is paying them to do. The armed forces used to be quite capable of feeding themselves without having to pay profits to someone else. Sure the soldiers couldn't get TacoBell or surf-n-turf before, but do they really need that anyway? posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 10:58 AM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:02 AM
posted by
TomW
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:13 AM
posted by
BJD
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:14 AM
Venezuaela: What about all of the reports of election corruption? Is it so easy to believe that a US president is more likely to be elected under corrupt circumstances than a Venequelan one? I've heard a lot of you guys claim as much. What about all of the reports that poverty is worse under Chavez, only he's pushed it to the side so that no one can see it? What about all of the new authority Chavez has taken from his parliment and given to himself (including the authority to take over private businesses)? You guys just believe whatever you want to believe or whatever President Carter tells you. Ford: Sorry, even though Ford has set a minimum price, they are still subject to consumer demand. If the price is too high, the product will not sell. I really don't think people are paying $40,000 for an explorer because they don't have any other options. Halliburton: Please! If Halliburton was controlled by the government, it would be controlled by President Bush. After reading your opinions of him, I can't believe you would want that. Also, the military has to buy stuff from someone. Even if they were only buying raw carrots and potatoes like they used to, they would still have vendors. The procurment machine for the military is larger than any company any of you guys have ever worked for. There is a lot of corruption, because people, individual people, are greedy. None of it is government corruption, only individual corruption in a government contract. But its very difficult to manage because of its size. We could do better, but we won't. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:29 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:41 AM
All these articles I linked to have documentation for their allegations within their writeups, either government documentation or other MSM accounts. Those should keep you busy reading for awhile...if you even read them.. posted by
BJD
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:42 AM
mattloch, thanks for the invitation, but I'm afraid I don't have any links to offer. All I have heard recently are rumors as well. Off the top of my head, the only real reporting I can offer is a National Geographic article from last April. They try to stay as neutral as possible, but the caption under the first picture in the article says this: "Slums like Barrio Experanza ring the high-rise prosperity of the capital, Caracas. More than half of Venezuelans live in poverty, and the number of poor has grown since Chavez took office in 1999. But free health care and food from government-subsidized stores are easing some of their burdens - and propping up Chavez's popularity ratings." The article also talks about his increasing power, and about his ability to win elections, but as I said, as a mainstream magazine, they try to keep the accusations to a minimum. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:44 AM
One thing I think has been confirmed is that Chavez is moving towards ending the term limit which would prevent him from standing for re-election next time 'round. Wikipedia has a good article on him.
posted by
BJD
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:48 AM
dusty, thanks for the links, but as you suspected, I won't read them. Since you read them, I don't have to take the time myself. I believe you that there's a lot of corruption, as I have already said. I just don't agree that the way to fix it is to get more government involvement in it, or hand all control of military procurement to the President, like they do in Venezuela. In fact, back to the original point, if it were possible to do an audit of Hugo Chavez's personal finances, I would be willing to place a sizable bet that he makes a lot more money from his corruption than President Bush makes from his. posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:55 AM
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 11:57 AM
posted by
BJD
on Jan 10, 2007 at 12:20 PM
mattloch, the picture above the caption that I quoted before is of the slum mentioned there. There are other pictures in the article of other slums too. If things are better for the poor now, I would hate to have seen what they were like before. These people (tens of thousands of them in slums all around Caracas) don't live any better than the homeless in New York or LA, yet they are not considered homeless. They have "free" health care, but is it really free? I think they pay for it in their inability to improve their lives. And their children are doomed to the same fate because of the policies of Chavez. dusty, I agree. Corruption is a crime of opportunity. If we remove the opportunity, we remove the problem. posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 10, 2007 at 12:32 PM
posted by
mattloch
on Jan 10, 2007 at 01:44 PM
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