Censorship is not the answer.

Also, Random's original comments in your blog a few days back were not abrasive, nor were they attacking you.  By deleting his posts and then essentially calling him a member of the KKK, you were the one to begin the fight.

are sure he's not?

wayfarer, I am with you on this one. I can't stand the smart [edit.] who come on here and cause grief to the mentally challenged.

It is not censorship. FSG it is a control measure for those who can not obey civilized rules.  If you are walking down the street and someone wants to tell you all about the alien invasion.  You have the right to say no thank you and move on.  If that person persist and tries to block your escape you have the right to push past him.  If that person tries to tackle you then you have the right to defend yourself and the police has the duty to put that person some where that he can not threaten himself or others.  That is why most blog sites have delete and block options. 

Wayfarer, Random's original post did obey civilized rules. 

What high school do ya'll  go to?

Occasionally, around here, liberals get rather personal in their attacks, and occasionally, I've been at the receiving end of such attacks.  To his credit, after I recently stated in a comment that I was offended by one of random's statements, and after I asked him, he deleted the part I was offended by. 

Not all who offend others here are willing to go back and take out the things they say that others experience as offensive.  His willingness to do that didn't take back what had already been said, but it did help to buffer the blow.  Things can get rather heated around here, so I think it's important that we all guard against taking cheap shots or engaging in personal attacks and cruel insults.  When those things are said, it says much more about the person launching the attacks than about the person those attacks are aimed at. 

Rf knows that I can not with a clean conscience, permit my post to be used to promote intolerance or murder.  On top of that I was trying to keep that post from turning into another political free for all at the expense of the suffering people I was trying to pass information to. 

Blg after Rf edited his comments he went on to make the same baseless accusation against me.  A violation that I reported ,but I don't think anything was ever done about it.  Any way let's not dwell on bygones or just one person.  The reason I posted this was now Sioux and HM are having a little battle of wills and I am hoping that Sioux will take the higher road.  

Wayfarer- RF's original post only stated that many who have abortions do not need counseling, and that oftentimes groups who offer counseling do so in an attempt to make the woman feel guilty.

Please tell me honestly where that is promoting intolerance or murder?  If anything, it's quite factual.  It's not anyone's fault but your own that you are unwilling to accept the truth.

 Wrong Rf started out calling pro life people "Christenist" and saying he was glad that women had the right to kill their young.  The point is that if Rf didn't have the sense to not post that insensitive comment in the first place, then I have the right to delete and he shouldn't have tried to spam me out.  Also his own blog is response to his failure to bully me was nothing but personal attacks. 

I don't recall reading anything like that.

Be that as it may, even if he had stated his opinion so eloquently, I don't see how that was a personal attack.  While I do not always condone Random's actions or words, he at least has the respect to delete a post when asked. 

Either way, my point here is that for you to call him out for his "blogging manners" is really the Pot calling the Kettle black. 

 original post only stated that many who have abortions do not need counseling, and that oftentimes groups who offer counseling do so in an attempt to make the woman feel guilty.

Not to pull the shrink card, but in all of my years of providing psychotherapy, I have not come across one woman who has had an abortion that didn't suffer greatly in terms of psychological scars, including feelings of guilt and shame.  It's not necessarily that our society makes them feel guilty about it, although some try to do just that. 

It's that they've done something  against their natural mothering, nurturing instincts, and that has a natural psychological, and sometimes spiritual, consequence attached to it. 

If groups offering counseling are adding to the guilt they already feel, that isn't right, but the women I've talked to that have been involved in that sort of counselling have reported to me that instead of making them feel guilty, they discovered a way to forgive themselves completely, and an opportunity to make a fresh start. 

Very good and you have the right to disagree with me.  Just as I have the right if you become a nuisance to delete or if necessary block you from commenting on my blogs. 

If you notice above Rf is beginning to see the light;D 

sometimes things snowball..every blog on here since he blogs were designed is full of opposing opinions...Hm brought up prop 8 so I showed the other side...he decided to go overboard because the video didnt support his views..I didnt curse at him call him names nothing but not agree..the content I posted was discussing prop 8 just not to his liking..

how boring would these blogs be if everyone posted in agreement with the poster..they would no doubt just fade away..very similar to a weekend full of newly posted blogs of no interest to anyone which shows by the 0 number of bloggers posting,,

Im not real excited about you calling me a stalker..my intent was in defense to his off the wall hatefulness..I actually thought the post was lost..he deleted it so fast it barely had time to even post..thats when he flew off the handle because he got his drawers in a wad

PS..HM  i deleted my last post on your blog..you didnt have any intervetion from the big boys because they felt you were RIGHT?? Just..got tired of your BS...

Not to pull the shrink card, but in all of my years of providing psychotherapy, I have not come across one woman who has had an abortion that didn't suffer greatly in terms of psychological scars, including feelings of guilt and shame.  It's not necessarily that our society makes them feel guilty about it, although some try to do just that. 

I'm sure there are a few out there, but I am inclined to believe your opinion.  If WF had made a response such as the one you just made, maybe this whole issue would have been quite different.

It's that they've done something  against their natural mothering, nurturing instincts, and that has a natural psychological, and sometimes spiritual, consequence attached to it. 

Out of curiousity, have you worked with any drug addicts who've had abortions?  If not, I wonder if they might be one demographic that has a different result.

If groups offering counseling are adding to the guilt they already feel, that isn't right, but the women I've talked to that have been involved in that sort of counselling have reported to me that instead of making them feel guilty, they discovered a way to forgive themselves completely, and an opportunity to make a fresh start.

Let's be honest - there are plenty of people out there who will do everything they can to change a woman's mind regarding abortion, even if that means guilt-tripping them. 

Either way, I also agree that most, if not all of these groups are probably doing it for the right reasons.  However, as I stated above, Random still should have been able to state his opinion in the matter. 

If you don't want people to speak their mind on an issue, why allow comments at all?  I support either full-on free speech, or none at all, as it pertains to blog posts.

 If you notice above Rf is beginning to see the light;D

How else is he going to be able to respond to your posts if you delete everything he says?

I thank you for posting that link Sioux.  Unfortunately HM choose to delete it ,but I have to respect his right to do that and not try to force him.  Isn't the heart of the homosexual marriage issue the right of the majority of society not to have something unnatrual forced on them?  I have been deleted a time or two myself. 

Rf is responsible for his choices and the effects of those choices.  I did not make him post anything. 

Sounds to me like someone supports totalitarianism in addition to theocracy.

Nope just maturity. 

Out of curiousity, have you worked with any drug addicts who've had abortions?  If not, I wonder if they might be one demographic that has a different result.

Yes I have, and it gets complicated with this group.  The drugs may numb the guilt women experience, but the guilt eventually catches up with them.  I'll be the first to also acknowledge that having a meth head as a mom isn't a good omen for coming into the world.  So I'm not only for bringing more babies into the world that have been conceived, I am also for programs that allow for the babies to come into a world that is not so cruel.  Programs that get drug-addicted pregnant moms and offers dysfunctional parents parenting classes improves quality of life.  Increasing quantities of lives should not be the only goal. 

Let's be honest - there are plenty of people out there who will do everything they can to change a woman's mind regarding abortion, even if that means guilt-tripping them. 

Agreed, but folks that try to guilt women into having their babies need to be educated on the nature of guilt and shame.  It's powerless in producing quality changes in a person and lasting changes in the behavior of individuals. 

Either way, I also agree that most, if not all of these groups are probably doing it for the right reasons.  However, as I stated above, Random still should have been able to state his opinion in the matter. 

But in stating our opinions, we all need to avoid personal attacks and cheap shots. 

If you don't want people to speak their mind on an issue, why allow comments at all?  I support either full-on free speech, or none at all, as it pertains to blog posts.

I support free speech, but not hate speech.  If it's even bordering on hate speech, it doesn't belong in a civil blogging community.

 So I'm not only for bringing more babies into the world that have been conceived, I am also for programs that allow for the babies to come into a world that is not so cruel.  Programs that get drug-addicted pregnant moms and offers dysfunctional parents parenting classes improves quality of life.  Increasing quantities of lives should not be the only goal.

Agreed, but folks that try to guilt women into having their babies need to be educated on the nature of guilt and shame.  It's powerless in producing quality changes in a person and lasting changes in the behavior of individuals.

I agree 100%.  I always support continued education for everyone, because all of us can always learn new skills and tools which are not only useful, but essential to improving the quality of life for all.

But in stating our opinions, we all need to avoid personal attacks and cheap shots.

I support free speech, but not hate speech.  If it's even bordering on hate speech, it doesn't belong in a civil blogging community.

Once again, I agree with you.  Did you see the original posts Random made a few days back, though?  They were not cheap shots, nor personal attacks, nor were they hate speech.  Instead, his comments were a differing opinion, in which he felt the need to warn that some people do not always have the best intentions when coming to the aid of others.

No, I didn't have a chance to check those out yet, I was just making a general statement about going the extra mile to avoid coming across in an offensive way.  Sometimes it is not so much the content, as the delivery. 

If you read the comments on this post and compare the comments to Rf's clone post you will notice a big difference in the civility. 

WHAT A BUNCH OF JERKS!

Yes, you're right Wayfarer, Random's post is much more civilized than yours. Just saying......

OK accept for one;( 

Accept or except?

bakonative has had a chip on his her it's shoulder for the last couple of weeks, must be PMS, PURE MEAN STREAK 

Asking the question accept or except is a legitimate one.  There's a big difference and it changes the meaning of the sentence.

Except. 

Most of you are familiar, by now, of one feature introduced when we rolled out the inbox--the ability of a B.com user to manage who can see their status updates, who can contact them via send-a-message, and, apropos here, who can or cannot comment on one's blogposts.  While this tool has been controversial, it's there.  Use it if you need to.

This comment from Jason also supports my position on a persons right to free their material from unwanted harassment.

I will say something nice, Way, but you have to promise not to delete anyone.  :)

"Not to pull the shrink card, but in all of my years of providing psychotherapy, I have not come across one woman who has had an abortion that didn't suffer greatly in terms of psychological scars, including feelings of guilt and shame."

Don't you think that the fact that you encountered these women in the course of providing psychotherapy may have skewed the sample a little?  People who lack psychological scars are not likely to seek out psychotherapists.  At least not in a professional setting.  ;)

In fact, it would be a painful choice for me to make, because of my beliefs and the kind of person that I am.  But not everyone is like me.

I hope I am not deleted but here goes....Hi BLT< apparently you have forgotten me. I have had an abortion,Painful? Yes. Tears? yes. But because I had great counseling before I made my choice I have a clear mind,conscious and heart about it.Sorry to wreck your certainty about the mental health of those women who have had to face this choice. Cross posted at RF's incase of deletion.

Sorry Spot, must be this wretched hot weather causing me to be so mean.

Why does everyone call Wayfarer BLT? Or are you referring to Blognroll, aka Dr. BLT?

Regarding: Not to pull the shrink card, but in all of my years of providing psychotherapy, I have not come across one woman who has had an abortion that didn't suffer greatly in terms of psychological scars, including feelings of guilt and shame."

Perhaps the psychotherapist made the female feel bad and shameful? Many females chose to have an abortion or give the child up for adoption for the best of the child. That should not make a woman feel pain, guilt or shame.

This blog is not about abortion ,but the reality is that if you kill or even have to give away the flesh of your flesh and you don't feel anything.  Then you would be a social path or in deep denial. 

[edit.], only a retarded person wouldn't know the difference between YOUR and YOU'RE!!! Make sure you wear your helmet on the short bus.

The point bbd is that you can disagree with them with out calling them retarded (by the way that is a very offensive word.) and if you can't then a person has a choice if they want to talk to you. 

Blue I deleted bbd's personal attack on you.  Let's just leave it at that:) 

Good thing Way because bbd still didn't figure the out the spelling, LOL!!

"LIKE I SAID YOUR STILL RETARDED"  Quoting Billy.

My, oh my.  Now THAT is double funny.  Guess he told you, huh Blue?

I love when people wright like that.

I think billy [edit.] is embarrassed, since he deleted his last comment.

I think we should play a new game. Since [edit.] created a profile today, and he has obviously read the posts before, let's try and figure what other names he uses here.... Jason, you can play too.

As I'm sure you know bda, Old Blue and hurt feelings don't really go together well in the same sentence.

OK, playing the game.  Who uses HAHA in their other name posts?

Watch for other clues. 

I use HAHAHA...but its not me Im not that smart.

I use HAHAHA, but becauseI find something funny.