"I pledge to  be a servant to Obama?"  That is more than creepy it has a little "Brave New World" and "1984' horror to it.  I pledge to do what I can to get this fool out of office in the next election if not sooner, if possible. I wonder if this will play during his speech to school children next week?  I would not be surprised.

"I pledge to  be a servant to Obama?" 

I was talking to anglo3 the other day and he told me, anglo1, that you were pledging,  too.

--virgil

I'm with you, anglo1. Did you notice the "Harpo Productions" at the end? I tell you, if not for Oprah Winfrey we would be saying "President Clinton" right now!

Out of all the great things that were said, that's what you focused on? How sad.

Yeah, Obama means well.  Just pledge to him - not to God, not to Country, not to the flag of the United States.  Just pledge your allegiance to Obama.  His message is so sweet.  You are feeling very very sleepy... 

Virgil you're a regular Frank Burns.

Anglo 1.

No Virgil is more like Hawkeye

Anglo1, I'd take you a lot more seriously if you didn't use the word "fool". I don't think a fool graduates from Harvard Law and becomes President. And just how are you going to "get him out sooner"?

I told you Toad, stay away from me.

This is not a public forum. It belongs to the Bakersfield Californian. 

You are not allowed to threaten, use foul language or continually post personal attacks.  I don't know why you find it so hard to follow the established rules. I actually encourage you to keep it up until you're banned. 

Re: learem. Like I used to say about some of my students - if I could only reach him! The guy hears nothing but the buzzing of hate and frustration in his own head. He was one of the people that were still slamming liberals when his conservatives controlled the govt. He cannot stand himself so he vents on others. Can you imagine having to sit through a class with this guy? His tactic is to blame everyone else for his own obvious shortcomings. Use race, religion, political persuasion, whatever to belittle everyone who disagrees with him. Like most bullies, he cannot stand to be crossed or argued with, so he lashes out. Avoid him like the poor sick man that he is.

• Main Entry: ¹fool
• Pronunciation: \ˈfül\
• Function: noun
• Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French fol, from Late Latin follis, from Latin, bellows, bag; akin to Old High German bolla blister, balg bag — more at belly
• Date: 13th century

1 : a person lacking in judgment or prudence
2 a : a retainer formerly kept in great households to provide casual entertainment and commonly dressed in motley with cap, bells, and bauble b : one who is victimized or made to appear foolish : dupe
3 a : a harmlessly deranged person or one lacking in common powers of understanding b : one with a marked propensity or fondness for something <a dancing fool> <a fool for candy>
4 : a cold dessert of pureed fruit mixed with whipped cream or custard

It has nothing to do with education.  You guys keep forgetting that education doesn't make you "smart" it only makes you educated.

Pike you are like a chinee water torture..drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip drip

PP hahahah got it memorized but your just as guilty as the next person..

msjenny..sorry  virgil is more like tommy chong...not hawkeye..hawkeye worked the intellectual comedy routine..chong can be dumb at times but still cute and funny.... but the witt hawkeye possessed??...nahh not yet..

smart noun Characterizzed by sharp, quick thought, bright.

Sounds like my guy. Nothing personal Nancy, but I have found in my life that most people who downplay education are uneducated.

Sioux, just trying to make a point. You do realize when you riff on other people in here they will come back at you. Is that your plan?

pikebishop.. Nothing personal Nancy, but I have found in my life that most people who downplay education are uneducated.

oh crap nancy we got another one! Well my experience is a person with a high IQ usually lacks common sense and good grasp of hand eye coordination....i know a few will act indignant about this but they are usually the ones that I refer too

Ah but that IS personal, and wrong in several areas.  First, I NEVER downplay education, never.  Second, I'm moderately well educated.  Third, education in school cannot give people common sense, life experience,  or the ability to logically reason out a problem or situation.  The fact that obama is educated does not mean that he is a good leader, have common sense, is open minded, or about a gazillion other things I could list.

I know a lot of people who are educated and don't have enough sense to come in out of the rain.  My Dad, who had little formal education, used to say that the geologists who came to the rigs he ran had no clue about how to drill a well and often just got in the way.

A lot of geniuses were maniacs.   Be careful when using education as your main criteria for backing someone.  I don't make that mistake.

Downplay education?  HA!  Not in MY family. 

pikebishop..Sioux, just trying to make a point. You do realize when you riff on other people in here they will come back at you. Is that your plan?

read above who started ripping on nancy?? shes my buddy..

Ever wonder why people address you by name and then say "it's nothing personal?"  Why not "hey y'all" or something NON personal?

A curious thing.

Sioux, and I find that most people of low IQ make broad generalizations.

Nancy, no it was not personal, only if you take it that way. I think you are pretty smart and have insight. On the contrary, education is what gives us the ability to logically work out a solution to a problem and to make judgements - like the qualities that our President possesses which you and I disagree on. Geologists don't have to drill wells, they hire people (skilled people) to do that. Geologists determine  if the drill is in the right formation to find oil.

Many, many years ago I was working on a rig and an old driller told me. "Son, have you noticed that you are the only guy on this rig that has all his fingers? I suggest you go to school and better yourself."

Good advice from a driller.

Point taken Nancy, I will make broad generalizations to the room at large from here on out.

Good story Pike. and true.  However, I was making a point and as you know, it's the point you shoould focus on and not the geologist.

We also disagree on education giving people the ability to logically work out problems.  It offers the ability to learn critical thinking and there's a huge difference.

There's a joke involving a weed eater and logical thinking.  You should look it up sometime.

 pikesbishop Sioux, and I find that most people of low IQ make broad generalizations.

how long did it take you and your therapist to come to that conclusion??

dont chew on people then get mad when you get chewed on..what you were doing prior to me arriving was insulting a lady i consider a friend..Nancy is no where ignorant dumb stupid uneducated or how ever you choose to address her..if you want respect show respect..

Oh not to worry Pike, I'm not offended.  I just thought it was kind of funny in a haha sort of way.

I have a tendency to ramble on AT someone and forget to put their name at the beginning so everyone thinks it's directed toward them.

By the way..are you saying you don't know ANY highly educated people who are boobs (not those kind) and clueless?

edited for a couple of typos

Thank you Sioux, you're a gentleman.

Sioux, I guess it took me as long as it took you to come to your conclusion about people with high IQs. Back off kimosabe, I don't have any arguement with you or Nancy. I will put my opinions out there without resorting to personal insults. I have no reason to chew on anyone. I don't believe Nancy took as an insult and if she did she is perfectly capable of defending herself. "Ignorant, dumb, stupid, uneducated" were not used in addressing anyone.

Of course, I have known many highly educated people who had some shortcomings when it came to getting from point A to point B. We are probably talking at cross purposes. I get very defensive when I perceive (sometimes wrongly) that education is being downplayed. I was raised by a couple of people with less than hight school educations who drove home to me every waking moment the value of an education. On some people education is wasted, unfortunately, but I respect the learning process and the people who accomplish it.

Sioux, was using a defense of you to rag  on me. He thinks I should keep quiet until I have been here for a few years.

I see this has stirred up quite the conversation. Let's try to route it back to the topic of this post.

While the beginning of the video heads in the right direction, it seems to take a weird turn towards the end with several of the participants pledging to be a servant to Obama. I think this is where most people have a problem.

Why not say "I pledge to be a servant to my country." ? Or maybe it would be better to say "I pledge to be a better American."

This is where some are drawing the parallel between indoctrination, the video and the raging debate on the upcoming speech the President will be making to schools across the country on Sept 8.

Good luck with keeping a topic on topic.  I haven't seen it happen yet.  :-)

I thought you people didn't care what celebrities thought politically. But now that a couple celebs have fawned for Obama, you think the world is coming to an end. Fragile-minded chicken-littles, you are.

Bush the Jr. was arrogant but he is a piker when compared to BO.  I've seen his choices for Czars and that alone qualifies him to be foolish.  Higher education is a great tool for anyone but as Nancy has stated before it may only make someone educated and not very good at functioning at a level the president or his czars need to be at.  Have you heard his new green czar speak? This is a guy with a law degree from Yale, he sounds like he just received his GED, his degree doesn't impress me. Sorry if that upsets you.  Picking people like Van Jones and Sustein also is foolish IMO. 

With apologies to the first lady, for the first time in my adult lifetime, I'm really ashamed of my country. It's all just a bad dream, with czars and commies running the asylum together.

Put a sock in it, Pax.

If it's that bad here, remember what conservatives used to say during Nam.

If I didn't have anything better than 0 for all that "pledging," I'd take myself to the loony bin and ask to be locked up until I could see the light.  Gad.

Well, looks like the Obama administration has already been working on this, under the radar.

www.sltrib.com/News/ci_13249171

Why am I not surprised? They actually showed that video to FIRST GRADERS? No wonder the parents are pissed. And why Utah? Is this happening all over the country and parents don't even know about it?

I understand that the lovey-feely message makes people feel good; I also understand that to assign such an allegiance to one person is not only a little creepy ... it is BEYOND creepy.

Also, for those of you who praise Obama's Ivy League education, I can offer my experience on the subject here.

My brother-in-law holds an MBA from Harvard and my sister would be the first person to tell you that such a degree does not make one "fool-proof." He has many great ideas, is extremely intelligent, and is a fantastic "salesman" (he works in venture capital circles); however, he is nearly devoid of common sense, can't start a b-b-q, and expects first class treatment wherever he goes. 

My other brother-in-law and my own husband have MBAs from Stanford and USC, respectively. Out of the three of them, I think my husband is the most pragmatic and best "leader-type", the Stanford MBA makes the most money, and the Harvard MBA has his head in the clouds. Go figure, eh? 

Sorry for the off-topic, blogsoup. 

pikebishop Sioux, was using a defense of you to rag  on me. He thinks I should keep quiet until I have been here for a few years.

No i just think you need to pay attention to who the heart and soul around here are..lots of hard heads.. my self included.. but the few that continuosly make sense in a sensless situation are the ones you treat alittle nicer..as you start noticing these people you will become defensive when they are being attacked too..its like they are part of your internet family after a couple years and you just get protective..

dam vanity how do you get all those heads around the dinner table hahaha ...i feel sorry for the kids..they probably have alot of pressure to excel in academics.

.joking aside thats a pretty impressive group you break bread and drink beers with..

back to the topic..i was a bit disappointed to see a few of those celebritys on that video..its disheartening..i would rather celebs stay out of politics..when Tom Hanks backed Owe it blew me away..I cant even watch his movies anymore and I really really liked the guy

LOL Sioux! The only saving grace is that all three men are conservative, as are their wives ; )  And I'm the most "liberal" of all! Imagine the conversation at our holiday dinners ... the left here would have a cardiac arrest.

Also, my sisters and I have removed our kids from the room when the Obama issue comes up, so I don't want anyone out there to assume that we're raising little "haters."  They're too young to hear it at home, and too young to hear it at school. Let's just make sure they can read before we expect them to shoulder the burden of understanding the President's policies and the debt they will pay as a result.

a degree and think like we do?? according to these libs there aint no such animule

I don't know you guys as this is my first posting, but you guys are too high strung. I watched the clip and saw it as no differnet then when Pres. Kennedy said to  the people "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" Only in 2009 it's more politicly correct to include things like recycling, being nicer to your neighbors, taking care of the elderly, stopping hunger and such. I think you are missing the big picture here. Let's take care of our country, we have the power to elect from the bottom up. So when someone comes along that you disagree with instead of posting crap that bashes the Pres. Get politicaly involved. If you don't then you can't complain too much.  Plastic bags....please.

breene ok i thought about it..Nope still dont like him..

OK the famous liberals asked what we will pledge so here goes.... I pledge to vote against the enviromentalist on everything, I pledge to vote against the liar Gobernator, I pledge to vote against Obama (not because he is black but because I don't agree with his politics) I pledge to vote against Jean Fuller (because of her vote to ban recreational gold dredging) I pledge to vote for our Second Amendment Rights. I'll try to think of some more.

That's a campaign spot. It was made to show that they would provide their efforts under an Obama administration, but not under a McCain one that would, in their minds, have continued the disasterous policies of the Bush administration. While I'm not sure about McCain, he wasn't surrounding himself with good people, and I think we'd be just as bad off now as under Obama.

SCR: No its still Hawkeye to me, its just you don't agree with him.

Same as what sioux said at 9:57 plm. 

And while I'm at it: 

Now, about that distributing the wealth business?  Well, I'm all for it.  Obama, you go first.  (And forget about socking away anything for your wife or children.  That would be cheating.)

Thanks for the compliments, Ms. Jenny !

--virgil

As I recall, McCain said the economy is strong and Palin said the Iraq war is part of God's plan. And the Republican party has been eroding since.