Why don't we all just line up and drink the Kool-Aid? Problem solved!

CaSooner90, were you referring to Pelosi's idea of making lemonade out of lemons at these links?

http://iowahawk.typepad.com...

http://www.theresmytwocents...

pp:  STEPHANOPOULOS: So no apologies for that?

PELOSI: No apologies. No. we have to deal with the consequences of the downturn in our economy.
 

Enough?

 casooner90:  Do you think that controlling the border might help with all those expenses?  That's just one aspect of population growth, particularly in border states.  It's just a thought.

State social services should be able to extend birth control to clients (i.e. welfare moms and teens). Birth control and contraception should not be excluded from bail-out funds for states. As to "hundreds of millions" of dollars for family planning or issuing birth control for the sole purpose of reducing costs, I don't quite follow the rationale. Madam Speaker would have made more sense if she said to prevent unwanted pregnancy of those who can least afford it.  

Great news for those programs.  Besides, safe sex can *INDEED* be a stimulus.  Imagine the flowers and dinner to be purchased beforehand, for example.

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seemed to imply babies are somehow a burden on the treasury.
 

If you don't think so, you should review the Medi-Cal budget.

Alicen, USA Today reported on December 29, 2008 the following:

The Border Patrol caught 705,000 people along the U.S.-Mexico border in fiscal year 2008, which ended Sept. 30, according to new agency figures. That's nearly 2,000 a day and the lowest number since 1976, when 675,000 people were caught entering illegally between San Diego and southern Texas, the figures show. }

All we have to do to control immigration is to continue to lose jobs. Today Home Depot joined the cause to control immigration by announcing they would cut 7,000 jobs. Caterpillar does its part by letting another 5,000 workers go in a plan to reduce more than 20,000 in a year. Nextel will reduce its workforce by 8,000. And the big weener is Pfizer that plans to spend $68 billion to acquire Wyeth but to do the deal must cut 8,000 jobs.

And Republicans are balking at a stimulous package to create jobs? Why?

In California, the annual cost for public education per child is now around $ 7,000 per year.

For a family with 2 kids in school, that’s $14,000 per year.

For a family with 4 kids, that’s $ 28,000 per year.

A few hundred million for birth control would save billions in the long run.

The reason folks pick one side of the argument over the other has little to do with cost/price.

birth control to illegal aliens and generally people on welfare?  

is that what she is getting at???  why not just take their money, they didnt earn it, and make them eek out a living they can scrounge

but let someone adopt the children who can prove they can offer a home with a good nurturing environment, because section 8 housing sure isnt one

Pelosi, Boxer AND FeinStein need to be erased, imo

In California, the annual cost for public education per child is now around $ 7,000 per year.

For a family with 2 kids in school, that’s $14,000 per year.

For a family with 4 kids, that’s $ 28,000 per year.

A few hundred million for birth control would save billions in the long run.

or better yet, how about not allowing anyone in the state or country that doesnt have the skills that are needed right now......like a choice between a day laborer, and a computer scientist......obvious

btw...most illegal aliens are catholic, and catholics, for the most part, dont believe in birth control.

wanna shut it all down???  get rid of welfare....talk about rewarding people for making the same mistakes again and again

and try double that 7 grand a year if the child is deemed to fit into the special education arena....

did you know that welfare recipients whose children qualifiy for special ed receive a 500 dollar a month stipend???   how does one qualifiy??  to test at 2 years or more below grade level...that is easy to achieve by just letting the kid go outside and play everyday after school, and not nurturing responsibility with them by making them do their homework.  any kid that does nothing in school for 3-4 years will automatically be 2 yrs behind in school

one of the countless welfare scams.....trading your child's future for 500 a month....disgusting

And Republicans are balking at a stimulous package to create jobs? Why?

because in a time where belts are tight, fiscal responsibility needs to be practiced.....you cannot spend your way out of bankruptcy, can you?

Bankruptcy and recessions are not the same thing.

The reason folks pick one side of the argument over the other has little to do with cost/price.

Fortunately, the "right" thing to do and the "economically sound" thing are both on my side this time. 

really??  compare and contrast them would you.  both are due to a huge downturn on monetary intake arent they?  also maybe over overextending financially?

recession...try depression.....we are nowhere near the bottom

you cannot spend your way out of ANY monetary malfunction...and make no mistake about it, we are in a big one right now

 really??  compare and contrast them would you.  both are due to a huge downturn on monetary intake arent they? 

Nope.  You're new at this economics stuff, aren't you?

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recession...try depression.....we are nowhere near the bottom

I hope you're wrong but wouldn't bet against a depression.  All the more reason to apply Keynesian economics as quickly and as vigorously as possible.  Tightening federal spending at this time would *GUARANTEE* a depression.

warning, rhetorical argument ahead  : )

 "wanna shut it all down???  get rid of welfare....talk about rewarding people for making the same mistakes again and again"

Perhaps we should also cancel the $ 1,000 child tax credit, along with Dependent deductions. This is just a middle class welfare program.  ...talk about rewarding people for making the same mistakes again and again"

Heck, while we're at it, let's also cancel the home mortgage interest deduction. Why reward people for buying things they can't afford without a government handout?

because in a time where belts are tight, fiscal responsibility needs to be practiced.....you cannot spend your way out of bankruptcy, can you?

Sure can't.   We gotta get rid of middle class welfare right away!    Every penny counts!

Once again, Pelosi the apostate who calls herself an "ardent Catholic" puts her foot into her mouth and goes against the teachings of the church.  The following comments that I found on other blogs echo my sentiments exactly:

Can we funnel this info to the Vatican? Pelosi apparently can't be rehabilitated so can't we start a petition to get her butt excommunicated? She is an embarrassment to Catholics everywhere. I have prayed for her, many have. It does no good.

Here's another:

Yet another:

What the hell ... take your pick: http://www.catholicblogs.co...

Birth control is different from abortion.  One prohibits conception, whilst the other terminates it.  BIG difference.

Birth control is different from abortion.

But both are opposed by the anti-woman crowd whom Pax cheers on.

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Pelosi the apostate

Pax, there are probably more "apostates" in America than true believers these days.  I've predicted for some time that North America will split off from the main church (as the Episcopalians did) and Pope Ratzi is accelerating that change.  Didja see he reinstated that Holocaust-denying bishop the other day?  *THAT'LL* go over big...

OT, but Rove getting subpoena'ed to testify next week in Congress...

By the way, the 'Publicans are tilting at the wrong windmill here:

"Eighty-six percent of voters and 85 percent of Catholic voters want the government to fund programs that provide contraception to women without health insurance." 

http://www.nfprha.org/main/...

(As I said, most American Catholics are apostates...)

"Once again, Pelosi the apostate who calls herself an "ardent Catholic" puts her foot into her mouth and goes against the teachings of the church.  The following comments that I found on other blogs echo my sentiments exactly"

Her plan seems to be to prevent children from being born to save money. She has turned money into a higher priority - can you say a "false god"?

Pelosi was elected to represent her constituents, not the Catholic Church.  

BTW: Italy has the third lowest birth rate of all Western Europe, at 1.33 children per woman.

Spain comes in at 1.32

I guess the Pope better move the Vatican out of Italy right away.

I've never met a Catholic who ever agreed with everything coming out of Rome.  

learnem, there are children in foster care today who are available for adoption and no one is adopting them. Locally, they had that photography exihibit at various businesses last year to raise awareness to this fact. A home for every unwanted, neglected or abused child is not going to magically appear if you take away welfare and contraceptives from the poor. And those who love and want their children, but are in bad financial straights are not going to magically find jobs that sustain their families if welfare, WIC or food stamps is taken away from them. It's a nice fantasy, but not very practical or realistic.

casooner90:  Do you think that controlling the border might help with all those expenses?  That's just one aspect of population growth, particularly in border states.  It's just a thought.

I think this would be a great idea to help our state.  I've always argued on the real cost to our state caused by our bleeding liberal hearts.  We try to help everyone, even if they enter this country illegally.  Of course the counter argument has always been that my lawn care would go through the roof.  But, between incarceration rate, health care, insurance and other costs to the state, what is the real net cost to our state?  I guess we'll never know because no one, including Arnold, will ever have the guts to secure our border. 

My point here is that this reminded me too much of commie china - they called it planned parenthood also. 

BTW, did you see the one about the golf tax?  I read somewhere our tax could go up to possibly 9.25% (highest in the nation). 

Donmason and FloridaStateGrad, Pelosi and her ilk will soberingly learn what Christ meant when he said you can't serve two masters. So if a vast majority of them have a problem with that, then good luck making it to heaven. A camel has a better chance of getting through an eye of a needle than for that to happen. Also, FSG, I've met many folks who agree with everything coming out of Rome. They are on the hard and narrow path to life in Christ, not the one that's wide and easy but leads to death and destruction that you're apparently on along with the hordes agreeing with every drivel coming out of Obama's mouth.

Perhaps Pelosi should just defect to the Rev. Lowery's church. If she were a true and faithful Catholic, she'd have yanked the mike from his hands while he was delivering that goofy poetry at Obama's inauguration and answered with her own singsong act: "People of America ... Abort FOCA, Preserve DOMA!" (DOMA, for those who don't know, stands for Defense of Marriage Act, which Obama and his "Catholic" stooges like Biden and Pelosi are aiming to repeal).

Perhaps we should also cancel the $ 1,000 child tax credit, along with Dependent deductions. This is just a middle class welfare program.  ...talk about rewarding people for making the same mistakes again and again"

Heck, while we're at it, let's also cancel the home mortgage interest deduction. Why reward people for buying things they can't afford without a government handout?

because in a time where belts are tight, fiscal responsibility needs to be practiced.....you cannot spend your way out of bankruptcy, can you?

Sure can't.   We gotta get rid of middle class welfare right away!    Every penny counts!

yeah, lets make it even harder on the producers in the country....you know, the people who actually PAY taxes??  contribute to the wealth of this nation..

last time i looked welfare recipients produce nothing....they take, but not give

yeah, your ideas are sure gonna help us out...bankrupt us faster than Obama in a cigarette store

last time i looked welfare recipients produce nothing....

An example of the "last time I looked" rule.  That phrase is *ALWAYS* followed by something which is not true. 

An example of the "last time I looked" rule.  That phrase is *ALWAYS* followed by something which is not true. Ya learnem's last sentence is true

RF What do welfare recipients produce beside more kids???? A stagnant neighborhood full of trash, drugs, drug dealers, gangs.  Unless people "earn" what they receive it means nothing to them. Why should they care? No skin off their nose eh.

Exactly, WP.  Welfare recipients, by definition, have children who will grow up to be productive citizens.  Every "welfare" payment is going to the maintenance of children.   That's what they're *FOR*. 

I thought you people were supposed to be the "pro-life" side?  Last time I checked.

RF: Welfare recipients, by definition, have children who will grow up to be productive citizens.  Every "welfare" payment is going to the maintenance of children.

That's what they're *FOR*. <-------The kids or the money?

Right RF and I have ocean front property here in Bakersfield I'll sell you. Majority of welfare recipients spent the money on booze, cigarettes and drugs. Why do you think so many of their children are turning to gangs? OR was that comment supposed to be *snarky*??

I don't know who "you people" are, but I'm pro-choice within reason (nada to do with obama). I'm work for what you have/want. I'm get an education and better yourself.  My mom did better her her mom; I did better then my mom; my daughter has done better then I did....and so on through the generations. NONE of us ever took a dime we did not earn.

Casooner90:  This is obliquely in reference to the comment of adampayne.  The numbers of illegal aliens among us just may become smaller with better family planning.  The numbers of Americans just may become smaller with family planning.  I believe this is what Pelosi was driving at.  She probably should have been more diplomatic.  The more children there are, the more drag there is upon the economy, because so frequently the children become in effect wards of the state.  Not literally, of course, but American taxpayers are becoming the "nannies" for zillions of children not their own.  If there were fewer children, the tax burden would be lesser.  If there weren't so many illegal aliens coming into the country, there wouldn't be so many illegal alien children to swaddle, feed, educate, house and medicate. 

And it doesn't do much good to say there are fewer and fewer aliens arriving.  Except that is in of itself good news.  What remains is what to do with all the gaping maws already here?

“Donmason and FloridaStateGrad, Pelosi and her ilk will soberingly learn what Christ meant when he said you can't serve two masters.”

I know what he meant, that’s why I’m a Protestant :)

“So if a vast majority of them have a problem with that, then good luck making it to heaven. A camel has a better chance of getting through an eye of a needle than for that to happen.”

Matthew 21 Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

24 "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

I assume that you’ll be in total agreement with much higher taxes for the rich and help for the poor, unless of course, you want none of the rich to reach Heaven.

“If she were a true and faithful Catholic, she'd have yanked the mike from his hands while he was delivering that goofy poetry at Obama's inauguration and answered with her own singsong.....”

Ahhh, another patriotic, true believer in American freedom of speech. Your respect for American values and the Constitution is awe inspiring.

Right RF and I have ocean front property here in Bakersfield I'll sell you.

The myth of the "welfare mother with the cadillac" has thoroughly indoctrinated folks to where they can no longer recognize the truth:  AFDC has helped millions of kids, with less abuse than, say, your typical no-bid defense contract. I assume it makes you feel superior to look down on those who have had to accept public assistance.  Maybe that psychological boost is yet another benefit.

RF: I assume it makes you feel superior to look down on those who have had to accept public assistance.  Maybe that psychological boost is yet another benefit.

Well RF you don't know me nor do you know my past efforts to not have to go on the dole - and yes in my 63 years there were a couple of times the dole looked good, but I rearranged my priorities and even lied to get a job. So, buster, don't even go there OK.

My mother worked in the welfare dept. My sister-in-law currently works in the welfare dept. The "myth" as you put it is NO myth. Can you afford a fairly new F-150 p/up with customized paint job? I sure can't. Can you afford the big boom boxes in the trunk of a customized car? The wheels that spin (At $200 each)? The mechanical stuff that makes the car 'bounce'? Me either. Are all those people on welfare? Probably not but when they don't have jobs don't you wonder where they get the $$$ for all those perks? I do. Then follow them to the hovel they live in - section 8? Priorities are a bit screwed doncha think? 

Have you been there done that RF? I worked at B.C. and interacted with several students who had children and were getting welfare - those students utilized the money as it was intended - to get an education, get a job, get off welfare. AND THEY DID.

Then there was the married couple who had 4 kids, on welfare, food stamps, medi-cal and had another child, all while also taking financial aid from the college.  Did either one of them graduate? nope. Yet they drove a better car then I did and the husband wore 3-piece suits my husband couldn't afford. They had their disabled child in free day care then "forgot " to go pick him up. CPS was called and the couple called CPS 'raciest' for 'picking on them.

There are thousands who just take, take, take, even though the opportunity to do better is offered they do not take that.

Do I sound angry? You're damn right I am RF. I'm sick to death of excuses made for these lazy arse people and now obama wants to give them more??? NOT.

Leaving now to go cool down before I tell this__________(fill in the blank) to go get ______(fill in the blank)

RF

i dont know about you, but my career has me around hundreds of people on social services every day....welfare, food stamps, medicade, free school lunch and breakfast program

sorry.  youre WAAAAY out in left field....massive abuse of the welfare system has been going on for the last couple of decades...on a grander scale than ANYONE could dream up...i see it every day. 

maybe AFDC has helped millions of kids eat, but if their parents werent such pieces of crap, they wouldnt need it.  Sorry to also say that the number of people whose parents are on AFDC actually move on from the role of welfare is small....stuff movies are made from....it is done, but on a miniscule basis.

all welfare and social programs do is reward people for making bad decisions in their lifetime.

if you were to step from your high horse once in awhile and visit the social security office the welfare office, your local public school during breakfast and lunch, you would see the things i speak of, instead of thinking you know it all

I'm related to people who have been helped by AFDC programs. 

I'm glad they provide someone for you to feel superior to, though.

Isn't it criminal that Pelosi's "freakonomics" is dismantled by a kid? Behold a post from one of many readers blasting that ditzy modern-day Margaret Sanger, who founded Planned Parenthood on Hitlerian eugenics principles such as exterminating the "human weeds" of society: From my 9 year old: You're trying to extinguish children and their future children. What's the point of having an economy in the first place?

From: http://www.calcatholic.com/...

Update on Pelosi: She's 'reluctantly' backing down from the birth control provisions in the stimulus package, thanks to Obama's 'personal appeal' for her to do so: http://www.americanpapist.c...

Now she needs to have that talk that the archbishop of her diocese promised to have with her.

And putting them into another bill which the Republicans can stamp their widdle feet over as it passes.

Why talk to an archbishop?  She talks to *OBAMA*.  That's like three levels higher.

" Isn't it criminal that Pelosi's "freakonomics" is dismantled by a kid?"

Really? 

Did  your ten year old  understand what freakonomics is ( means)?

My ten year is learning economics. She could tell you what pelosi is talking about, unplanned children can be a financial burden on many. That sort of thing is reflected also in govt. subsistence programs for those unfortunate enough to need them.

--virgil

And contraceptive funding is, itself, a poverty-prevention program.  Everybody wins, except the men-in-skirts in the Vatican who are scared of sex.

Virgil, no, my 9-year-old doesn't know what freakonomics is or means -- neither do I. All I know is that it's an apt name for Pelosi's freaky brand of economics. You teach your 10-year-old son that; I will teach mine not to render everything to Caesar. Let's see which path offers the best chance for salvation. We'll find out on the day when we come face to face with the men-in-skirts in the Vatican, among others, who hopefully will have a good sense of humor when randomfactor's time comes.

Looks like calling contraception spending "job creating" was such a stretch that the Dems finally had to pull it from the Trillion dollar stimulus bill.  Guess they realized they're gonna need those future taxpayers to pay for all of this.

"Virgil, no, my 9-year-old doesn't know what freakonomics is or means -- "

Well,

I don't know either - It's the first I've heard of freakonomics.

And I hear you on the rendering unto caesar part.

The thing is,  what does that mean, now?

I'm serious. Do you let your ten year old watch commercial TV?  I actually don't let mine - she's still too young.

Perhaps commercial television should come after she learns to comprehend the editorial page of the newspaper.

--virgil

Most of the problems in todays world have a single root cause...large families.

Resource depletion, over crowding, pollution, crashing fish populations, water shortages, deforestation, top soil losses, hunger, over regulation, political unrest, ect.

Yeah, birth control is a bad idea.

Are humans any smarter than yeast?