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dirtyshirt - > E Pluribus Unum -> Please Take Note: These Floods DO NOT Prove Global Warming
Please Take Note: These Floods DO NOT Prove Global Warming

 Flooded, soggy Southeast braces for more rain

The West Pearl River, already more than four feet above flood stage at about 19 feet, had emergency officials in St. Tammany Parish, La., bracing for flooding, particularly in low-lying areas. The National Weather Service said the river that forms part of the Mississippi-Louisiana state line could crest at 19.5 feet Thursday morning, approaching a historic crest it reached in April 1983 that caused damaging flooding.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/...

 

Red River Flooding

The Red River is approaching record flood levels, likely to break century-old records this weekend. Flowing north toward Manitoba along the Minnesota-North Dakota border, the river is jammed up by ice and is being fed by rain, snow and meltwater. The National Weather Service has issued projections of a crest of 43 feet near Fargo, North Dakota, 24 feet above flood stage. Volunteers and national guardsmen are out in force, building levees, rescuing and evacuating those that need to get to higher ground. Cold temperatures are hampering efforts, freezing damp sandbags and making the job that much more strenuous for volunteers. 800 more National Guard troops and 150 Red Cross personnel are arriving in the area this weekend.

http://www.boston.com/bigpi...

 

Yeah, I am of the opinion that the majority of scientists ought to be trusted and believed, and that Global Warming is a reality.

The thing that I noticed is that, despite claims that the left and the right are just two camps tossing equivalent claims of mistrust at each other, that NO ONE, I mean NOT ONE LIBERAL has ever used weather reports in the short term as a "gotcha" for Conservatives.

I have never seen such a thing. Have you?

Posted in the Politics interest group.
Topics: weather, predictions, global warming, flood, snow storm
posted by dirtyshirt on Wednesday, April 1, 2009 at 07:09 PM
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posted by zapped on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:15 PM

 I mean NOT ONE LIBERAL has ever used weather reports in the short term as a "gotcha" for Conservatives.

There are plenty of moonbats from both camps. Quite a bold move to make such an absolute statement. If you don't believe me, try reading through TBC Sound off/letters to the editor and see how many fuzzies (left and right) think snark and sarcasm pass for cogent points.

 

posted by dirtyshirt on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:19 PM

Yeah, I thought it was a bit far reaching also. So I stopped to think about it and I swear I've never seen it.

That's why I asked the question at the end. It wasn't a dare. I seriously would like to hear of such an instance. I know i could come up with plenty of the "very cold in Chicago, no global warning here" types aplenty.

I posted data about the right coming up with hate-speech earlier and maintaining it longer and using it more frequently in an earlier post. One of my first, in fact.

This post was along those lines. 

I don't think, if one were able to develop data on this, that it would be equal on both sides. Hence the invite. I wanna see examples of LIberals using short term weather as an argument point about global warming.

Seriously.

...and thanks for the opportunity for me to explain myself better.

posted by catpaw on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:23 PM

It was only a few days ago a blogger contended the inclement snow in New York "proved" global warming was a hoax. Afterall, if the world is getting warmer, how can there be snow? (Or something like that.)

posted by dirtyshirt on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:32 PM

Thanks catpaw. I believe I can come up with dozens of such references. And if I didn't restrict myself to these blogs, I would get many, many more.

I am not exagerating when I say I have never seen a Liberal do the same thing, and yet, LIke zapped, I figure it must have happened somewhere, sometime.

So: anybody every witnessed this?

I maintain there IS a difference between what get lobbed from left to right and from right to left. 

posted by zapped on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:32 PM

I don't think, if one were able to develop data on this, that it would be equal on both sides.

The beauty of making claims about things that cannot be quantified....I agree that it wouldn't be equal on both sides (of course, you wouldn't agree with my conclusion ;P )

Your data about hate speech, I'd like to look at it. I'd like to see what qualifies as hate speech. Take a camera into Berkeley or Ocean Beach 2 years ago and I bet you I could have made a documentary of liberal hate speech and try to make a claim that the Left is more "hateful" than the right. 

/but I digress about not being able to qualify such things  ;)

On another note, read the part of today TBC where one reader made a claim that Father Braun was forcing a "medieval" ideology on us. I got a chuckle.

/sorry about the threadjack at the end, I'm just multitasking here and drinking

posted by dirtyshirt on Apr 1, 2009 at 09:37 PM

Such things are not difficult to quantify at all. And of course the sampling has to be reasonable random.

Going to Berkeley and counting LIberal comments is clearly not random.

Here is my attempt:

http://people.bakersfield.c...

posted by catpaw on Apr 1, 2009 at 10:24 PM

Well, dirty, you got to consider that republicans had their backs to the wall and were (still are) on the defensive. Name calling is a resort when there isn't an argument. I don't know that I would call every ugly slur a speech motivated by hate. Political conviction (and religious) is a personal matter and consequently an emotional one. How many times have you attempted to have a "logical" discussion to see it become an intense emotional free-for-all. Could it be that the statistics are a reflection of the losing team's frustration?

posted by dirtyshirt on Apr 1, 2009 at 11:13 PM

Yeah, catpaw, I do.

in fact, I don't think that is far from the thesis expressed in the referenced earlier blog.

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