I read an article indicating "o"'s children have not been vaccinated. hhmmmmmm

WP, the country's lost 100 children so far.

As many have died either from the flu itself, or partially from it, as in the September 11 attacks that Shrub invited in.

So far the vaccine is being prioritized to chronically ill children and pregnant women--two groups particularly susceptible to it.  It's entirely correct not to vaccinate two healthy children until larger supplies are available.  What, you think they should get shuffled to the head of the line? 

You're not in a high-risk group; neither am I, any more.  I personally won't be getting the vaccine until the very end of the line if at all.

But I repeat my earlier agreement with you--right-wingnuts shouldn't get vaccinated.  They're not a group the country gets any benefits from.  I like to think of it as evolution in action, leading to an increase in the nation's average IQ.  In fact, those who don't "believe" in evolution should *ALSO* forego the shot.

Shame about their kids, though.

That's true witters, but it's because the CDC has asked that just kids with chronic medical problems get the vaccine at this time. 

For everyone else, there will be a government-run clinic this Friday up at Bakersfield College giving the seasonal vaccine only (not the swine flu one).  Any flu can be a killer to people in bad health already. 

http://www.co.kern.ca.us/he...

Those teabaggers who don't believe in government health care should *NOT* attend.  But try not to cough on me, will you?

By the way, the Canadian (at least in Quebec) vaccinations started *AHEAD* of schedule.  Ah, socialized medicine at its finest.

But then, they didn't have to deal with the private insurers, etc..

Oh, and a friend of mine in the Bay Area (about 15 years older than I but in great health) got the Swine Flu about a month ago, despite being in the age group which supposedly had some residual immunity.  He's *STILL* having problems.

What does "deal with private insurers" mean?  

BTW, I got my flu shot weeks ago, without shelling out any extra money, through my employer provided health coverage.  Don't need to stand in line like they are around the country for the government mismanaged distribution. 

Some are old enough to remember lining up at the firehouse to get polio vaccines~ the old paper cup and sugar cube. Welcome to government run health care.

Having had the experience I have had with the flu and a child that was relatively healthy,even with C.P. , I second what RF said about who gets the vaccine first.

Remember the 3 C's.

It means they don't have to deal with private insurers in Canada, dril.  Glad I could clear that up for you.

By the way, the delay in the vaccine manufacturing is apparently because the virus itself is growing in the lab more slowly than manufacturers expected it to.  The *PRIVATE* manufacturers.

DRIL: Thank you for the reminder - and in a nice way too! How unique is that of these blogs lately.

RF: there was no need for the rude comments. Just offering an opinion should suffice without the garbage mouth stuff you spew. 

I have no intention of getting any shots. I'm alergic to some of the ingredients.

But try not to cough on me, will you? 

"right-wingnuts shouldn't get vaccinated.  They're not a group the country gets any benefits from.  I like to think of it as evolution in action, leading to an increase in the nation's average IQ.  In fact, those who don't "believe" in evolution should *ALSO* forego the shot.

Nice, wishing illness and possible death off on people.  Really nice.

Actually, the principles of private corporate enterprise have been the largest detriment to fast production of vaccines.

Vaccines are a low profit product, since prep time is long and expensive, and use is limited, unlike drugs for chronic illness.

As a result, few drug companies have large vaccine manufacturing facilities.

A government funded vaccine making facility, along with proven new technologies that don’t rely on chicken eggs as growth medium, would greatly speed up production of flu vaccines.

Some are old enough to remember lining up at the firehouse to get polio vaccines~ the old paper cup and sugar cube. Welcome to government run health care.

And it worked *BEAUTIFULLY*.  I got an early Sabin (sugar-cube) trial as a military dependent.  Government-run programs have virtually wiped out smallpox, too.

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RF: there was no need for the rude comments.

You and dril took a public-health emergency and used it to push your anti-government obsession with (in your case) misleading information.  I  was *RESTRAINED* in my comments.  The correct information isn't all that hard to find--as long as you don't listen to anything on Faux Newz.

Nice, wishing illness and possible death off on people.  Really nice.

Nancy, this entire thread wishes illness and death on people because the government--for the first time in eight years--appears to have been *IN FRONT* of an emergency.  National health insurance reform--and a public option--would save lives *AND* money.  But your side hates Obama personally enough not to care *HOW* many are killed for lack of it.

Remember that Obama Administration wanted to put something like $900 million in the stimulus bill to fund anti-flu efforts?  Remember who cut it out?

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who protests government health care involvement should *NOT* get the shot.  But that puts them at risk because of their *OWN* idiocy, not someone else's.

I guess we shouldn't pay any attention to what HHS Secretary Sebelius says since she doesn't seem to know anything about the manufacturing process.  Thank God the vaccine is being made by private industry that will see that it is made right. 

No, RF, they disagree with the policy but they do NOT wish illness and death on people.  You, however, would revel in it if it involved "right-wing-nuts" and people who don't believe in evolution.  I repeat, really nice.

here is a link to a report of people waiting in line for up to 11 hours outside a government run health clinic.  The line looped around the building twice.   

Yeah, 0bama tells us that we'll have a vaccine by mid October.  Indeed we are in the best of hands.

Maybe if he would go after the swine flu with the same gusto he goes after Fox News and Chicago Olympics he wouldn't be facing his own Katrina moment. 

what else do you expect from RF nancy...Im just glad its over for me and my family..I dont have to pay any attention to his BS any more..

I seriously doubt RF would dance over any ones grave. We tend to see the "other sides" outrageous statements and see "our sides" statements as just a little poke.

*edit* I am talking in general.

WP, the country's lost 100 children so far.

As many have died either from the flu itself, or partially from it, as in the September 11 attacks that Shrub invited in.

So far the vaccine is being prioritized to chronically ill children and pregnant women--two groups particularly susceptible to it.  It's entirely correct not to vaccinate two healthy children until larger supplies are available.  What, you think they should get shuffled to the head of the line? 

You're not in a high-risk group; neither am I, any more.  I personally won't be getting the vaccine until the very end of the line if at all.

But I repeat my earlier agreement with you--right-wingnuts shouldn't get vaccinated.  They're not a group the country gets any benefits from.  I like to think of it as evolution in action, leading to an increase in the nation's average IQ.  In fact, those who don't "believe" in evolution should *ALSO* forego the shot.

Shame about their kids, though.

WELL, where have you been the past few decades?   we lose close to 40, 000 people a year just from the flu here in the United States......i havent heard you banging your Government run healthcare drum about that?

BTW....remember when the first outbreaks happened back in May in New York City?  the government had the opportunity to stop it right then and there, by quarantining the people that had it...AND SHUTTING DOWN THE US /MEXICO BORDER (where this strand originated from)

seems like our president and his minions chose to kill a few thousand people so he could attempt to use scare tactics and ram his agenda through

"seems like our president and his minions chose to kill a few thousand people so he could attempt to use scare tactics and ram his agenda through "

Thanks learnem for a example.

Sage, since he said it once and then reinforced it a second time I don't see him as being to concerned.  Even joking I don't wish death or illness on anyone.  But if you see it as a "little poke" so be it......... I don't.

Nancy~ see my *edit*. In general not any specific comment.

I do not see learnem's comment to be any better~

For clarity: I do not wish to see anyone have to go through the death of a loved. Unfortunately it is the way of life.

"seems like our president and his minions chose to kill a few thousand people so he could attempt to use scare tactics and ram his agenda through"

"right-wingnuts shouldn't get vaccinated.  They're not a group the country gets any benefits from.  I like to think of it as evolution in action"

If you can't see the difference then I can't explain it other than one is commenting on the presidents actions and the other is saying right wing nuts and people who disagree with the presidents tactics SHOULD NOT  get the vaccine.

Oh, nevermind...  What's the point?

 "seems like our president and his minions chose to kill a few thousand people so he could attempt to use scare tactics and ram his agenda through "

Thanks learnem for a example.

sage...please clarify exactly what you mean?  and example of what?  I hope you meant opinon...see the word SEEMS as the beginning of my statement.

WP, the country's lost 100 children so far.  I'm not saying this to imply 100+ kids are not important - they are. However, when this country has millions of people, the percentage is small. Many many people die during any given flu season, many with underlying ailments. There is also the "survival of the fittest" that has been in place since the world began.  Nature has a way of dealing with its own and some dying is part of that 'control'.  Why do some women miscarry? Why do some babies leave us at birth? Why do some people die very young while others live to be 100?  Why? Why? Why? I don't know that those questions can be answered other then "Nature", "genetics", the "unknown".

We humans have "discovered" many many drugs and immunizations to keep people alive longer and sometimes I don't think that is such a good thing depending, of course, on the disease and the impact of the treatment.  Chemo saved my sister. All it did for my friend's husband was give him 2 more months of throwing up his socks they passing away in misery. Life? If humans survive all the drugs and intervention then it was meant to be, i.e. Sam Heath.  By all rights he probably should have passed, but he did not. It is not his "time" to leave just yet. 

Maybe sometimes it is OK to just let go. Let the person cross over with dignity.

OK - now lets hear all the rude comments on how "hateful" I am.

This is a taste of our nationalized health care when all else fails. The current public option, if you will...

 http://www.wkowtv.com/Globa...

Thanks, jfrancis

So far the vaccine is being prioritized to chronically ill children and pregnant women--two groups particularly susceptible to it.  It's entirely correct not to vaccinate two healthy children until larger supplies are available.  What, you think they should get shuffled to the head of the line?   

Looks like they *have* been shuffled to the head of the line, Random.  Everybody in 0bama's America is equal, but some are more equal than others.