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dusty1215 - > Dusty's View of Life -> Why the Baker Group's report is a crock.
Why the Baker Group's report is a crock.

Michael Hirsh has an exclusive web article up at Newsweek/MSNBC’s site. His contention is the Iraq Study Group’s(ISG) report won’t solve the problem’s in Iraq, or get our troops out of there any sooner than half a dozen other plans floated lately. A particularly grizzly mental picture he gives us comes from this snippet of the writeup:

“One doesn’t have to be trained by Hizbullah or the Iranian secret service to grab a few Sunnis off the street every night and shoot them in the head. But until those killings stop, the yes-it-is-a-civil war-no-it’s-not-a-civil-war in Iraq will continue to rage out of control.”

What is interesting is that the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is also tossed into the mix. The ISG seems to think the road to stability in Iraq runs through Jerusalem. Hirsh seems to think this is bs. Personally, I see every conflict in the region as related on some level. I think Hirsh is short-sighted and too quick to blow off this aspect of the report, if in fact his sources are correct.

Another point he raises, with which I completely agree, is that Maliki is “owned” by that cleric-from-hell, Al-Sadr. This has to be addressed, and as we know from past experience…Bush and his advisors like to bury their heads in the sand when it comes to obvious roadblocks and problems with regard to their public rhetoric about how well things are going.

Hirsh is very big on Gates however, and actually plugs Gates’ last book “From the Shadows: the Ultimate Insider’s story of Five Presidents and How They Won the Cold War,”. He gives us a brief review of what he considers the good parts of Gates’ memoir, such as the following:

“If presidents had listened only to the hawks, U.S. belligerence and aggressiveness would have been so overwhelming that the Soviets would have been afraid to undertake changes in their system, to have let down their guard at all,” *snip* “If presidents had listened only to the doves, not only would the Soviets have seen many opportunities to gain strategic military advantage and new influence in the Third World; there would have been significantly less pressure on them to change.”

Back to the Baker Group, Hirsh would have us wonder how much of the findings, were culled from Gates’ own philosophy. Hirsh touts the only lasting legacy of the Baker Group as its utilization of Gates philosophy of “management over vision”. Whatever the hell THAT means.

If the congress approves of Gates nomination for Secretary of Defense, we will have to endure more of Gates philosophy as it is applied to our problems in the Middle East.

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posted by dusty1215 on Thursday, November 30, 2006 at 02:46 PM
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posted by mattloch on Nov 30, 2006 at 03:09 PM
Funny, it was precisely because the Soviets saw Afghanistan as ripe for an invasion that led to their eventual collapse. Yea, those damn doves can't win for winning, can they? I'm sure they still think it had something to do with Reagan's "tear down this wall" and Star Wars bankrupting as responsible for their crash. Damn revisionists.
posted by dusty1215 on Nov 30, 2006 at 03:12 PM
I have read in the last few days the same point you make about the Soviets Mattloch. I don't feel real good about Gates. I haven't seen where the Dem's are going to fight putting him in as Def. Sec.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 30, 2006 at 03:36 PM
Mattloch, Gates contends that American aid to Afghanistan (non-weapon) was a major factor in "suckering" the Soviets into that conflict. 
posted by mattloch on Nov 30, 2006 at 04:12 PM
Does he also consider Afghanistan the primary reason for the downfall of Soviet Russia, even greater than perestroika, or Reagan's defense spending, or any of the other reason most right-wing revisionist pundits give for their collapse? I'm not saying it was the only reason, or even that Reagan's supply of Stingers and other materiel support didn't help, but if you listen to people today you'd think they collapsed the afternoon after Reagan gave his "tear down this wall" speech. Star Wars and Evil Empire may have actually kept them in the running for longer than they otherwise would have, since their citizenry were kept scared of American attacks for longer than they otherwise would have put up with.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 30, 2006 at 04:13 PM
Don't know, mattloch.  I read a short excerpt from one of his books, in an online article.  He was citing aid which started under Carter.
posted by dusty1215 on Nov 30, 2006 at 04:27 PM
Hirsh is saying(Ithink) the whole ISG plan is flawed because there is still a win or lose mentality about Iraq in this administration.  He also points out that Iraq is falling apart so rapidly, there is little the US can do but stand and watch. Our soldiers are not trained as peacekeepers or even good at  training the Iraqi forces. At least that is the way I read the article.
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