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A little piece of Gitmo, right here in Detroit MI.
I am sure that unlike the recent FBI report on Gitmo however, no one was chained in the fetal position for 18-24 hours, but a Detroit "terrorist" can now sue the county that jailed him. The Federal Judge upheld three other counts, including Koubriti's claim that he was "repeatedly subjected to unlawful and unnecessary strip searches designed to humiliate and degrade him because of and in retaliation for his religious beliefs."-where are the radical religious rightwingers now? Why aren't they up in arms about someone being persecuted for his religious beliefs...ah..but he's a Muslim..they dont' count..do they?
This might not be construed as torture, but it sure as hell isn't the American way..or is it? From a NYT article on the trial, we get this lovely gem: "The government has repudiated the terrorism case and is now investigating the former lead prosecutor, though documents obtained by The New York Times indicate that top Justice Department officials long had doubts about the strength of the case but pushed to bring terrorism charges anyway." The history of this case, from this article or the local Detroit writeup here: Koubriti and three other Middle Eastern immigrants had been accused of forming a terror cell in the Detroit area. In 2003, Koubriti and Abdel-Ilah Elmardoudi were convicted of conspiracy to aid terrorists and document fraud. A third man was convicted of document fraud, and the fourth was acquitted of all charges. Koubriti was held for 3, count em, 3 years..here, in America. "A federal judge later dismissed the convictions at the request of the Department of Justice, which said federal prosecutors in Detroit withheld evidence beneficial to the defendants."Now, that IS bs..withholding evidence. This isn't Gitmo where you can try someone based on heresay and keep evidence from the accused because its "secret", or hold them for years without charges. Where is our America, where has our due process gone? Why is it ok to hold people for years and then dismiss the case? We are no better than the terrorists when we allow this crap to happen in our own country. I am not saying this man is a good man, I am saying this man had a right to due process, the right to see the evidence and the right to a fair trial. Koubriti got none of the three..none,nada, zilch. It was assumed he was guilty and therefore he was treated like he was already found guilty. Legal documents on his case can be read here at FindLaw. I am getting my second epidural shot this morning, so I will be unavailable to comment. I apologize for not being here if anyone wants to taunt, attack or rip me a new one for thinking this man deserved a fair trial and to be treated as a human being, which is how we here in America treat our prisoners. This isn't Guantanamo and it wasn't a Military Tribunal, this was an American trial on American soil. 21 comments from 11 users
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posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 9, 2007 at 07:31 AM
And after we "get" the Muslims, we can start on the Jews. Then the Gypsies. Then the trade unionists. Then the Catholics....
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Jan 9, 2007 at 07:36 AM
And then the Pentecostals...
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 9, 2007 at 08:22 AM
Ron, why should they have to leave America? Because they aren't the same religion as you? That's mighty American of you. I guess religious freedom wasn't in your version of the constitution huh? I'm pretty surprised that you aren't even the slightest bit concerned that someone in this country wouldn't be allowed due process. I wonder who will speak up when it happens to you.
posted by
woofwoof
on Jan 9, 2007 at 08:36 AM
Oh, and the Amish, can't forget about the Amish. Dusty, what are the shots for? I've had those suckers (epidural shots) in my neck.... posted by
bakodon
on Jan 9, 2007 at 09:49 AM
I got a kick out of the reader who now says the jews are next. Only stupid or uneducated can come up with this grabage. THE JEWS DO NOT WANT TO KILL ME AND MY FAMILY, BLOW UP AIRPLANES, STRAP BOMBS TO TEENAGERS OR WORSE. the muslims want to kill all of us because of our values. wAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE! posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 9, 2007 at 09:54 AM
Her back I'm assuming. I thought the epidural shot was only in your spine. How did you get one in your neck? I bet it was called something else.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 9, 2007 at 09:57 AM
bakodon, I think you might have missed the sarcasm in that post. So are you saying that it's garbage to say that about jews, but if you say it about muslims then it's true? If so, you need to switch coffee brands.
posted by
anonymous
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:08 AM
Epidurals are also done in the chest region (thoracic epidural) and the neck region (cervical epidural).
posted by
allright123
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:15 AM
so what? dusty?.......you humiliate and degrade people all the time because of their religious beliefs !.......they're called "Christians"......want us to quote your hateful posts from Christmas pasts including all your bigoted remarks about the evils of Christianity?.......so you admit the man's a bad guy and a possible terrorist but we should treat him like a king?.......and no, your assertion that "we're no better than the terrorists" is moral relativism of the lowest order (nothing new for you)........we don't form terror cells and plot to kill innocent people, then complain like babies when we're treated like human scum.......only the radical Muslims that you defend do stuff like that........In addition to your epidural today, dusty, I suggest you have the doctor give you electroshock treatment, a frontal lobotomy and perhaps a CAT scan of your head to see if that can find exactly what's gone wrong in there.........maybe that will get rid of your paranoid delusions, your reflexive anti-Americanism, your radical left wing stupidity, your moral relativism, and your holier than thou attitude.........it could have been worse, dusty, they could have stripped searched you, but they didn't want to pay the officer's sick time for the projectile vomitting that would have resulted........
posted by
allright123
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:24 AM
Hey dusty, if our country is filled to the brim with fascistic, homophobic, racist, sexist, torturing political persecutors who treat everyone like terrorists, then why don't you pack up your bags and move to Canada or France..???......you've said those countries are wonderful socialist paradises filled with nice people that we should emulate.........why don't you live there?.......wouldn't that be far superior to the vicious repressive government in the US?...........you're just another liberal hypocrite who lays their head down on their pillow every night, knowing you're sleeping in the safest country in the world, then you wake up the next day and call us every name in the book, while talking up totalitarian regimes who chop off children's hands for stealing bread.........they say "people vote with their feet" Dusty, and they fact that your smelly tootsies are still here tells us that although not perfect, we're really not that bad, it's just that you have a horrible sense of perspective and a very selective sense of outrage.........
posted by
TomW
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM
Allright, Dusty is more American than you could ever hope to be. She's holding America to its highest standard. You want to destroy everything our troops have died for. You spew hate and venom then blame everyone else for your problems. Why don't you move to Iran, where your ideas would be more mainstream. Heck, if you do, I may even change my opinion about the neccessity of bombing them.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:32 AM
mucus you need to see Alex and buy a clue about civility. You really have to be sick to write the venom filled diatribe you just did. I know what you do for a living and I find it very sad that you would suggest electroshock treatment, when you have no idea what is wrong with me. Go ahead and link to some of those quotes you say I made about Christians..let have some fun..or at least your idea of fun. God forbid you actually stay on topic and type out a rational statement regarding the lack of due process and blatant prosecutorial misconduct on this case. The fed's themselves asked for the dismissal of the case, do you even read the entire post before you open your raunchy piehole? You substitute personal attacks for a response to the subject. Grow a pair of balls and actually make an intelligent comment you sad excuse for a human being. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:33 AM
Perhaps because it's *HER* country too, Mucus. As it is mine. And it's worth saving. . Because it *ISN'T* "filled to the rim" with people like you. You're in a sad, sad minority. posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:37 AM
Dusty, he can't link to them because he makes it up as he goes along. And he's still not apologized for his sadistic comments exploiting the vicious attack on Paige McKenzie in New Mexico.
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:41 AM
You don't have an exclusive residency here allwrong123. Either you accept that other people have the same rights as you do or perhaps you would be more comfortable in one of those facist places where no one has any rights, since you don't mind giving them up for your "safety". We were safe with our rights intact, there is no reason to deny people due process, in my opinion. For the whole case to "go away' as it did, shows the lack of evidence at the least, and misconduct at its worst. My meds are kicking in..gotta run. We can discuss my horrible coments about christians at another time. posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Jan 9, 2007 at 10:42 AM
It's mine too. I agree that it really is worth saving. posted by
allright123
on Jan 9, 2007 at 12:57 PM
My what a skewed moral compass you use in your zeal to condemn the US and sympathize with the terrorists.!!......this kind of moral relativism isn't just fascinating, it's downright dangerous.......these people are condemning a strip search as diabolical, while remaining silent about countries where prisoners are executed without trials........and how about the American contractors who were beaten to death, their bodies burned, and their corpses strung up on a bridge?.......did they receive a trial for the crime of not being Muslim, all you human and civil rights experts?...........what good are civil rights if you've already been killed by terrorists, geniuses?.......you successfully protected the rights of illegal immigrants to stay in our country, and voila !, 19 illegal Muslim immigrants killed 3000 Americans on Sept. 11,2001.......but at least you preserved the Constituional right for criminals to break the law, wackos..........one nuclear bomb can ruin your entire day (even more than a humiliating strip search).......you've got your outrage meter all out of whack, because the President is your sworn enemy........if Bill Clinton or any other Democrat was President, you phonies would be singing the praises of the war, with our wonderful Democrat Prez liberating millions of Iraqis, and protecting Americans by snagging terrorists and subjecting them to "well deserved" interrogations..........after all, the safety of the American people would be the first priority...........but since you look at everything through Democrat colored glasses, you're far from objective on anything............
posted by
AudreyB
on Jan 9, 2007 at 01:04 PM
Gee I wish he wouln't write in a stream of consciousness. And what's with all the .............. 's It's almost impossible to read. But, maybe that's a plus! posted by
mattloch
on Jan 9, 2007 at 01:19 PM
Did we just get a lecture on "objectivity" from Mocus? Well slap my ass and call me Sally! What's next, a lesson on free speech from Sam? A speech on religious tolerance from Ron?
posted by
dusty1215
on Jan 9, 2007 at 02:24 PM
allwrong123 said: "My what a skewed moral compass you use in your zeal to condemn the US and sympathize with the terrorists.!!"- wrong again. The man in question is not a terrorist. All Terrorist charges were dropped. ."these people are condemning a strip search as diabolical, while remaining silent about countries where prisoners are executed without trials"- "these people are federal judges and the Dept of Justice. The 1st "person" allowed the individual to go after his captors, county sheriff's most likely for treatment that most jails in the United States don't allow. The 2nd "person" was the Dept of Justice who asked for a dismissal of the case against this man, who btw is not a terrorist or he would still be on triall if he was. What don't you get about that part of it? "what good are civil rights if you've already been killed by terrorists, geniuses?"- The individual in Detroit..one more time, is no longer considered by anyone,including the Dept of Justice,to be a terrorist. "you successfully protected the rights of illegal immigrants to stay in our country, and voila !, 19 illegal Muslim immigrants killed 3000 Americans on Sept. 11,2001"- This statement has as much to to with the topic as Tony Qwynn going into the hall of fame does. Care to explain yourself on this one? Probably not. "you've got your outrage meter all out of whack, because the President is your sworn enemy."-The President's minions let this guy off the hook, after three years in jail..either their outrage meter is out of whack or yours is..I don't know which. :) "if Bill Clinton or any other Democrat was President, you phonies would be singing the praises of the war, with our wonderful Democrat Prez liberating millions of Iraqis, and protecting Americans by snagging terrorists and subjecting them to "well deserved" interrogations"- Sorry to bust your bubble but we wouldn't be in Iraq if a Democrat was President.Afghanistan, probably..but not Iraq. Kind of puts a hole in that theory doesn't it allwrong? So far, your batting a thousand. "the safety of the American people would be the first priority"- It has been the priority of every President we have had, except this one. Oil is more important than our safety or he would of stayed to finish the job in Afghanistan, where the Al-Qaeda groups actually operated from in 2001. Instead he diverted troops to Iraq and well, you know the rest of the story. "but since you look at everything through Democrat colored glasses, you're far from objective on anything"- If your talking about me, allwrong, I am registered as "decline to state" and I have voted for Independants, Republicans, Democrats and Green Party candidates. wrong again. Even medicated up to my eyeballs I can shoot holes in any tirade you put up. I love it! And you graduated college..how is this possible? Objectivity, or staying on topic isn't your strong suit allwrong. Is it? posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 9, 2007 at 02:30 PM
However, we might well be in Afghanistan if Clinton (or Gore) were President. But there'd be two important differences: 1. The Twin Towers would still be standing. 2. We'd be winning, instead of losing, in Afghanistan.
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