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dusty1215 - > Dusty's View of Life -> Invoking the ghost of Reagan and other highlights of the Republican Debate.
Invoking the ghost of Reagan and other highlights of the Republican Debate.
According to one article I read this morning..RR's name was mentioned 19 times last night. Thats quite a bit for a president who's reign ended roughly 20 years ago.

But the Repub's also wanted their cake and to eat it as well. All of them calling for lower taxes yet a robust military. Somehow, I do not see how they plan to pull that off unless they gut many of the social programs for the sick,poor and elderly.

I think Mitt looked the most polished of the group. He did manage to get the point out there several times that he ran a liberal state and loves to gut budget expenditures.

They all stood against pro-choice but Rudy. They all stood against embryonic stem cell research with Nancy Reagan, a staunch supporter, sitting front and center in the audience.

For the God Squad, there were three that came out against Evolution: Sen. Sam Brownback of Kansas, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Colorado Rep. Tom Tancredo raising their hands when asked who did not believe in evolution.

If you missed the grand Debate..the MSNBC transcript of it is here.
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posted by dusty1215 on Friday, May 4, 2007 at 09:17 AM
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posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 09:27 AM
Weathervane McCain had this lovely exchange:

McCain: Now I think it's on the right track. The war was terribly mismanaged. The war was terribly mismanaged and we now have to fix a lot of the mistakes that were made. Books have been written.

But we have a new strategy and a new general. And these young men and women are committed to winning.


 

So, if we are still seeing the insurgents killing at the same rates they are now..will Johnny McCain take it in the shorts for this comment a year from now?

posted by mattloch on May 4, 2007 at 10:00 AM
I could have sworn that they mentioned Reagan's name more times than that. But I'd have to go through the entire transcripts for confirmation, and I'm no sadomasochist. Somehow the phrase "a wretched hive of scum and villainy" came to mind watching that show last night. Did you happen to catch Kos' live blog on it? It's on their front page, and very amusing. I can cut-and-paste it into here if you'd like.
posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:01 AM
I kind of thought so too Mattloch..it was interesting the article says only 19 times..several of them used it more than others..but they ALL used Ronnies name at some point.

Sure..do a lil cut n' paste from Kos..should be fun to read :)
posted by robbwillis on May 4, 2007 at 10:01 AM

I thought McCain said he was for stem cell?

Wifey's a Rudy fan, but she said Mitt came off the best.

How come I'm not hearing much about how Tommy Thompson committed political suicide with his "Homophobic employers can fire their gay workers and it's ok with me" gaffe?  

I never voted for Reagan and was happy we survived his presidency. Those that have him on such a high pedestal prove how low the bar has been lowered. He seemed like a nice enough guy, but so did Captain Kangaroo. 

posted by mattloch on May 4, 2007 at 10:11 AM

(From dailykos) Welcome to the Large Primate House at the Simi Valley Zoological Gardens.  No pointing at, or making eye contact with, the candidates.  No flash photography.  No feeding the candidates.

Use this as an open thread to discuss the preening, posing, grooming, and feces flinging.

UPDATE 1:  In the running contest for Stupidest Statement of the Night (SSOTN), Howard Fineman takes an early lead, gushing about "the regality of the event."

UPDATE 2:  Interesting.  Fineman definitely states that Fred Thompson is getting in the race in July.  More talk about the non-candidates than the candidates in the pre-game show.

UPDATE 3:  No opening/closing statements.  Too bad -- that would've been a great place to spot SSOTN candidates.

RUDY:  Only 28% of Americans support the Bush Admin?  You gotta have hoooope!  Optimism!  That's the ticket!  (And it does take a strange breed of optimism to say that American has "the greatest health-care system in the world.")

McCAIN:  "War has been terribly mismanaged."

TOMMY THOMPSON:  Nothing much to say other than that he sounds like a heavy breather.  Icky.

MITT:  God, he's got a terrific tan/hair combo.  Unforgettable, unremarkable, but well-modulated answer.  If he loses (and he will), he ought to bump Brit Hume at Fox News.  He really is an anchorman.

HUCK:  Would've fired Rummy before the midterms.  Should listen to soldiers rather than "civilians in silk ties."  I note that Huck has a nice red Perry Ellis on tonight.

RON PAUL:  You have to imagine that he's been spending the entire night wondering what the hell he's doing in a Republican presidential debate.  Arguing for a non-interventionist foreign policy.  Somewhere in the dirt in Ohio, Bob Taft is applauding.  No one in Simi Valley is, though.

McCAIN:  Should have decided against wearing the candy cane tie.  Looks awful.

TANCREDO: Manages to answer a question without mentioning "Mexico,"  "a wall," or "immigration."  Stutters a lot, not ready for prime time.

REAGAN UPDATE:  Giuliani has the most references so far.

MITT:  Apparently just read Thomas Friedman Presents Bernard Lewis For Dummies.

MITT:  Loves America, Reagan.  Hates answering questions.

TANCREDO: Relatively deft handling of bizarre question about organ donation.

RON PAUL:  I'm surprised he wears a suit.  You figure that he'd be in a bear skin -- better prepared for return to the state of nature.

ROE v. WADE:  Rudy punts, all others want it repealed.  Tancredo says the day that Roe is repealed would be the greatest day in US history.  Creepy mofo.

MITT:  What a weasel on abortion.  If I were a Republican who genuinely was anti-abortion, I would never consider voting for the slimeball.

McCAIN:  Jesus.  He makes Dole '96 look young and connected to reality.  He wants to be president to smite our enemies, or something.

HUCK:  Opposing abortion is what separates us from Islamofascists.  Wow.

THOMPSON:  Employers should be allowed to fire gays for being gay.

HUCK:  Points out the absurdity of Mitt's Conundrum ("my faith is so important to me, but it doesn't influence my decisions").  This really bugs Tweety, for some reason.  I guess Mitt's got a boyfriend.

BROWNBACK:  I love Jews!  Why, Joe Lieberman's a Jew!

HUNTER:  Seems determined to outflank Tancredo on immigration.  Which is hilarious.  It'd be like trying to out-stardust Kucinich.

BROWNBACK:  We're not any more corrupt than Dems, 'cause someone had cash in their freezer once.  And I believe in the family.

TANCREDO:  Reagan is proof that a fringe rightist can become President.  I am that fringe rightist.

McCAIN:  Increasingly reminiscent of your aged grandfather.  The one that you didn't like, with bad breath and that funny laugh.

HUCK:  Is this what helps him start to break through?  He's been really good, at least compared to his fellow travelers.

MITT:  He makes me sick.  I mean, I'm as pro-choice as they come, and I'm appalled by his flip-flopping on abortion.  I can't imagine how a committed anti-choice activist could vote for him.

RUDY:  Mealy-mouthed attempt to make people forget that -- historically -- he's to the left of Joementum on abortion.

HUNTER:  Acknowledges the existence of global warming.  !

MATTHEWS:  Say what you will about him generally, he's moderating the shit outta this thing.  Keeps it moving -- and tough, but fair, questions.

GILMORE:  Tries to remind folks that he was Governor of VA on 9/11.  Somehow, I don't think he's gonna cut into Rudy's hero status.

ROMNEY:  Weasels on embryonic stem cell research!  He truly is the most repellent of the bunch.

MCCAIN: Wins the stem cell question, damn him. (mcjoan)

BROWNBACK: "Taken behind the barn and killed with a dull axe." Even his "folksy" is creepy.

MCCAIN: TAXES EAT PEOPLE!!!!

MCCAIN: Aw, isn't that cute. He loves him some Joe.

HUNTER: Scary brown people.

GILMORE: You do have to give him credit. He has been consistent in his craziness.

PAUL: How 'bout we just send him and Gravel out on a roadshow?

RUDY: What a sense of humor. And ridiculous question.

BROWNBACK: Will he stab Rudy in the back? Do it! Do it.... Nah.

HUCKABEE: Damn. Standing up for worker's rights. He could get some Independents.

Last round. Thank gawd.

BROWNBACK: Fences!! It is a little weird that these guys are all so anti-privacy. There goes all the libertarians.

ROMNEY: Only the brown people have to be carded. Rudy agrees.

GILMORE: Good answer. President has to make the case for a pardon of Libby. And Tancredo turns it back to immigration. The man is obsessive.

BROWNBACK: What a gruesome little man.

TWEETY: Bad, bad question on Clinton. I don't care what they answer. That's a bullshit question.

MCCAIN: I don't think "activist judges" means what he thinks it means.

ROMNEY: Blech, just blech.

MCCAIN: I'm Reagan! Not Bush!

BROWNBACK: Actually pretty reasonable on Iraq, for a Republican. I guess that's why Biden is working with him.

RUDY: Get that last 9/11 in there.

PAUL: He actually respects habeas corpus. They'll have to kick him out of the party.

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:12 AM
Robb..I simply love your last paragraph Sir! :) Thompson was appealing to the extreme religious base that would rather stone gays than allow them to live among us.
posted by tkozy on May 4, 2007 at 10:12 AM

Today’s housing bubble. Is a repeat of Reagan's housing crisis..

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:22 AM
I did choke on my popcorn Mattloch over the "the greatest health-care system in the world." line. That was quite entertaining Mattloch..bless you Sir!
posted by robbwillis on May 4, 2007 at 10:23 AM

"RON PAUL:  I'm surprised he wears a suit.  You figure that he'd be in a bear skin -- better prepared for return to the state of nature."

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!

Runner-up: "ROMNEY: Only the brown people have to be carded. Rudy agrees."

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:23 AM
I thought Mitt looked like George Hamilton-light.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 4, 2007 at 10:32 AM

" I don't think "activist judges" means what he thinks it means."

"Activist judges" -- translation: judges who overturn laws that violate your Constitutional rights.

The far right is completely monopolizing the debate on this deadly important issue, and not one Dem is taking this on, or even taking the trouble to patiently explain that respecting the primacy of the Constitution is the job of the courts.

Sometimes I even think I'm the only one on this blog who gets it and appreciates the gravity of it, because it seems that I'm the only one who ever talks about it.

Our means of recourse for redress of grievances is in danger of disappearing for the foreseeable future, and I'm the lone voice in the wilderness.

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:37 AM
I think you should do a post on the topic H4F. I for one, would love to read more about it.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 4, 2007 at 10:39 AM

I did, but maybe it needs an update.

http://people.bakersfield.c...

posted by mattloch on May 4, 2007 at 10:41 AM
"Activist judges" means judges that make decisions they don't agree with. As soon as a judge makes a far-reaching ruling that goes contrary to all precedent and they agree with it, they're suddenly "constructionist", or overturning "bad" laws. I "get" it, Hardliner and it's pissed me off for years. I just happen to see it as more "neo-con" playing with the language to cover their actual plans and put opponents on the defensive. Of course they're trying to fark up the courts; that isn't new. They're just trying to wrap the same old turd in new wrapping paper. We just need the MSM to point this out and inform the electorate. (Good luck with that.) The Dem candidate should bring it up in the debates, but that's still a long way away. I see more immediate issues that they should be talking about.

Hey, did anyone else catch Gravel on Colbert the other night? Goddamn that guy is a blast. Crotchety, batshit insane, but fun. I really hate to see a guy that is so right on every issue stuck at 1%. I'll be rooting for him in the next debate.

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:47 AM
The extreme religious right has found the way to institute changes they want without being obvious about it. Their legions of lawyers filling the courtrooms claiming they are the victims..drives me up a freaking wall. This attack on our judicial system does need to be put in the front more than it is H4F.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 4, 2007 at 10:54 AM

The antics of Abu Gonzales and the US attorneys is just another symptom of the relentless drive to kangaroo our courts.  While Abu's actions are very short-term when compared to lifetime appointments to federal courts, the motivation is basically the same.

I understand that different critics of the adminstration (and of the GOP leadership) have different priorities, but it enrages me that nobody, but nobody who is in a position to deal with this issue in a high-profile manner is doing so.  Come on, just one cable talking head or Democratic official to beat this particular drum on national TV.

posted by anglo1 on May 4, 2007 at 10:55 AM
I just wrote the same thing as Dusty, almost word for word.  I would really like to hear what you have to say H4F.  Your passion and knowledge would really help those of us not up to speed on this subject.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 4, 2007 at 10:59 AM

A link to my essay appears above, Anglo.

And the pundit or official with the balls to take up this issue will not succeed if they insist on talking entirely about Roe v. Wade -- a common mistake.  You don't rally up support for the Constitution and the courts by focusing on its least agreed-upon decisions.

You point out the much more troubling fact that if they had their way, state and local governments would not have to respect the Constitution at all.  One such dangerous nutjob -- possibly two -- is currently sitting on our Kern High School District board.

That sentence alone, state and local governments would not have to respect the Constitution at all, should have us rioting in the streets.  But it is not.

posted by dusty1215 on May 4, 2007 at 10:59 AM
I think the Monica Goodling story shows exactly how our judicial system has been taken over in favor of partisan loyalty H4F. She went to a 4th rate lawschool and yet she determines who gets hired based not on expertise but on Republican politics?

So messed up.
posted by mattloch on May 4, 2007 at 11:10 AM
They're got Goodling dead to rights, or will soon from what I've been reading. They figured out that she was making decisions about the career-level workers in a political manner. Big no-no; apparently they didn't teach that lesson at the law school she went to. The USA scandal is just the scab over the festering wound these people have created. Congress needs to figure this whole thing out before the next president comes into office, so that it can be fixed as soon after Jan 19, 2009 as possible. The Dems need to be talking about removing judges that are way outside the norm making statements like Hardliner is mentioning. Just like you shouldn't be electing people who hate government, we shouldn't be allowing judges that want to remove judicial oversight or destroy federalism.
posted by TomW on May 4, 2007 at 12:24 PM
H4F, there are a lot of things that should have us rioting in the streets.  Have you heard the news on Lautenburg's bill?

http://www.chron.com/disp/s...

WASHINGTON — The National Rifle Association is urging the Bush administration to withdraw its support of a bill that would prohibit suspected terrorists from buying firearms.

Backed by the Justice Department, the measure would give the attorney general the discretion to block gun sales, licenses or permits to terror suspects.

In a letter this week to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales, NRA executive director Chris Cox said the bill, offered last week by Sen. Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., "would allow arbitrary denial of Second Amendment rights based on mere 'suspicions' of a terrorist threat."

"As many of our friends in law enforcement have rightly pointed out, the word 'suspect' has no legal meaning, particularly when it comes to denying constitutional liberties," Cox wrote.

posted by sumo211 on May 4, 2007 at 12:28 PM
Mattlock wins the brownie!  "Activist judges" means judges that make decisions they don't agree with.  That's it in a nut shell!  Up until this started to be bandied about  "activist judges"...they didn't have a problem...the minute things started to not be what they wanted...(SCHIAVO, TERRY) comes to mind...they started crying foul about the judges who were siimply doing their jobs according to the law.  But they didn't want them to adjucicate that way...they wanted them to cheat like they do.    Notice how many of them had to fess up about Schiavo last night?  Fools all!
posted by redkernhero on May 4, 2007 at 12:42 PM
I  like Duncan Hunter, he has the biggest gun, and more of them, I can't wait to see where our next regime change will be. However, I was not disappointed with any but one, they will all attack somewhere in our defense of the defense of our 51st State,  Israel.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 4, 2007 at 01:11 PM

Tom wrote, "H4F, there are a lot of things that should have us rioting in the streets.  Have you heard the news on Lautenburg's bill?"

Well, I'm not sure which side you're taking on this one.

The NRA guy is basically making the same point that anti-war folks have been making about the rights of "suspected terrorists" when the issue is Gitmo or habeus corpus.  As I said, I'm not sure what side you're taking, but when someone endorses a subjective exemption to one part of the Constitution, they're creating the pretext and the precedent for subjective exemptions to all the rest of it.

I'm really nervous about countenancing an abridgement of the Second Amendment when we've defended the rights of "suspected terrorists" under the rest of the Constitution.  It's inconsistent and, from the looks of it, hypocritical.

If anything, this should be a shot across the bow of gun rights supporters that Bush and the neocons are not interested in your Constitutional rights one iota. 

(I know all the arguments in favor of gun regulation.  That is a different topic.  But for the purposes of my point, the belief abong the far right that Bush and the GOP leadership is your friend where guns are concerned, the support of the Bush administration for the Lautenberg bill, well, shoots a hole in that myth.)

I think the NRA guy is being entirely consistent.

(Oh, and sorry about all the gun metaphors in this comment.  They weren't premeditated.)

posted by redkernhero on May 4, 2007 at 04:59 PM
To me the highlight of the debate was that we finally let the world know that political assassination of those who would oppose your version of what you is right is okay.

McCain and Hunter left no doubt that you get leaders of the opposition any way you can legal or illegal makes no difference. If you are the 1000 pound gorilla in the world, let everyone know it at their own peril.

God we are good at making friends and pounding our chests.
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