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dusty1215 - > Dusty's View of Life -> U.S. Treasury investigating Michael Moore
U.S. Treasury investigating Michael Moore
From MSNBC:

LOS ANGELES - Academy Award-winning filmmaker Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba for a segment in his upcoming health-care documentary “Sicko,” The Associated Press has learned.

The investigation provides another contentious lead-in for a provocative film by Moore, a fierce critic of President Bush. In the past, Moore’s adversaries have fanned publicity that helped the filmmaker create a new brand of opinionated blockbuster documentary.

“Sicko” promises to take the health-care industry to task the way Moore confronted America’s passion for guns in “Bowling for Columbine” and skewered Bush over his handling of Sept. 11 in “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

The Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control notified Moore in a letter dated May 2 that it was conducting a civil investigation for possible violations of the U.S. trade embargo restricting travel to Cuba. A copy of the letter was obtained Tuesday by the AP.

“This office has no record that a specific license was issued authorizing you to engage in travel-related transactions involving Cuba,” Dale Thompson, OFAC chief of general investigations and field operations, wrote in the letter to Moore.

In February, Moore took about 10 ailing workers from the Ground Zero rescue effort in Manhattan for treatment in Cuba, said a person working with the filmmaker on the release of “Sicko.” The person requested anonymity because Moore’s attorneys had not yet determined how to respond.

Moore, who scolded Bush over the Iraq war during the 2003 Oscar telecast, received the letter Monday, the person said. “Sicko” premieres May 19 at the Cannes Film Festival and debuts in U.S. theaters June 29.

Moore declined to comment, said spokeswoman Lisa Cohen.

Moore puts film in 'safe house'
After receiving the letter, Moore arranged to place a copy of the film in a “safe house” outside the country to protect it from government interference, said the person working on the release of the film.

Treasury officials declined to answer questions about the letter. “We don’t comment on enforcement actions,” said department spokeswoman Molly Millerwise.

The letter noted that Moore applied Oct. 12, 2006, for permission to go to Cuba “but no determination had been made by OFAC.” Moore sought permission to travel there under a provision for full-time journalists, the letter said.

According to the letter, Moore was given 20 business days to provide OFAC with such information as the date of travel and point of departure; the reason for the Cuba trip and his itinerary there; and the names and addresses of those who accompanied him, along with their reasons for going.

Potential penalties for violating the embargo were not indicated. In 2003, the New York Yankees paid the government $75,000 to settle a dispute that it conducted business in Cuba in violation of the embargo. No specifics were released about that case.

“Sicko” is Moore’s followup to 2004’s “Fahrenheit 9/11,” a $100 million hit criticizing the Bush administration over Sept. 11. Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine” won the 2002 Oscar for best documentary.

A dissection of the U.S. health-care system, “Sicko” was inspired by a segment on Moore’s TV show “The Awful Truth,” in which he staged a mock funeral outside a health-maintenance organization that had declined a pancreas transplant for a diabetic man. The HMO later relented.

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posted by dusty1215 on Thursday, May 10, 2007 at 01:28 PM
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posted by GrpThink on May 10, 2007 at 01:39 PM

Michael Moore is under investigation by the U.S. Treasury Department for taking ailing Sept. 11 rescue workers to Cuba

Boy, that's going to go over well with the American public.

posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 01:43 PM
I agree. The Cuban embargo is bat quano imho.
posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 01:49 PM
Have to lay down for a bit..the back is screaming at me. Have a good afternoon everyone.
posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 01:51 PM

Sorry, guys, they've got him dead to rights:  Michael Moore *IS* fat.

posted by sfinboston52 on May 10, 2007 at 01:53 PM

dont we live in a free society that we are allowed to travel where we want? Why does the Bush admin. care if I visit another country?

 

posted by TomW on May 10, 2007 at 01:54 PM
It'll be interesting to watch this play out.  Any reasonable fine will be offset by the increased revenue generated by the publicity.  I think that the "9/11 workers" morphs into "9/11 workers exploited by Moore" or "9/11workers who are friends of Moore."  How it plays out in the media depends in part on the gender of the people he took with him, if they speak out, and how telegenic they are.  But in this day and age where *everything* is politicized, there is a certain portion of the population that would in their hearts welcome another 9/11 if Michael Moore were in the building.
posted by GrpThink on May 10, 2007 at 01:55 PM

The Cuban embargo is bat quano imho

More and more Repugs, who have for years fought to keep the embargo in place, agree with you.

http://www.thenation.com/do...

posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 01:57 PM
It's interesting that Time's list of 100 most influential people includes Raul Castro, but not Bush.
posted by TomW on May 10, 2007 at 01:58 PM
sfinboston, my dad went there before I was born and both times he had to get government permission.  The travel restrictions have a long history and are in place to limit unsanctioned trade and passing of information.  There were at one time a lot of good reasons for these laws.  With the advent of multinational corporations and the internet, maybe not so much.
posted by adampayne on May 10, 2007 at 01:58 PM
The more publicity Michael Moore gets the better the box-office totals will be. It is a shame our government, with all the problems confronting this nation, deems this a priority issue to investigate.  I'm not sure why the Treasury Department  has taken the lead in this witch-hunt process, but  I guess  you persecute those you can with the available bodies you have.  The timing for Moore's movie could not be better with the American public in a particularly surly mood about the woeful state of the current health care industry. 
posted by GrpThink on May 10, 2007 at 01:59 PM

Any reasonable fine will be offset by the increased revenue generated by the publicity.

Remember what happened with Fahrenheit 9/11 after the rightwingers started criticizing it?

I think that the "9/11 workers" morphs into "9/11 workers exploited by Moore" or "9/11workers who are friends of Moore." 

It will backfire on them, just as it did when the rightwingers criticized Michael J. Fox during the last election.

I hope the rightwingers do come out in force against Moore. The political environment has changed to where it will cause a backlash that will carry forward into the 2008 election.

posted by GrpThink on May 10, 2007 at 02:01 PM

Why does the Bush admin. care if I visit another country?

What do you think would happen if Americans actually went to Cuba and saw for themselves that the people are not as bad off as the U.S. government wants us to believe?

For God's sake, man, we might actually get a health care system that is fair, equitable and affordable like Cuba's.

posted by TomW on May 10, 2007 at 02:01 PM
Grpthink, I'm thinking specifically of when Cindy Sheehan's blog was hosted at Michael Moore's website.  Moore is still one of the few boogeymen that divdes the country pretty evenly.  Fox vs. Limbaugh, not so much.
posted by GrpThink on May 10, 2007 at 02:24 PM

Fox vs. Limbaugh, not so much.

It was much more than Fox vs. OxyRush. After OxyRush, the rightwing establishment piled on. Even Rove got into the act.

All three Democratic candidates Fox recorded a television ad for won in November. In every case, the public controversy over the ads was cited in exit polls as a negative to the Repug candidate.

posted by mattloch on May 10, 2007 at 03:27 PM
Cuba has had one of the best health care systems in the world for quite some time. (Everything else, not so much.) During the Cold War, when the US and USSR were busy sending arms to foreign hotspots for proxy wars, Cuba would send doctors. For free. There are quite a few people alive today who wouldn't be if it weren't for Cuba doing so. The embargo's time has come and gone. It is yet another reason the rest of the world doesn't like us so much anymore.
posted by anonymous on May 10, 2007 at 03:38 PM
The only part of Cuba Bush would encourage Moore or any other liberal to visit is Gitmo.
posted by anonymous on May 10, 2007 at 03:50 PM

"Cuba has had one of the best health care systems in the world for quite some time."

Mattloch, you have obviously never been to Cuba, do not know any Cubans and could not care less about the Cuban people. You just can't resist any opportunity to spew your liberal BS.

Random, maybe Raul Castro is more influential because if you said some of the things about him that you say about Bush, he would have you jailed or worse.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 10, 2007 at 04:00 PM

"Mattloch, you have obviously never been to Cuba, do not know any Cubans and could not care less about the Cuban people. You just can't resist any opportunity to spew your liberal BS."

No, it looks like you can't resist an opportunity to spew your spastic seizures of mindless hatred.

Read this and weep:

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu...

(Oh, yeah, it comes from a university.  That must be why you people hate universities and higher education so damn much.  They shatter your damned delusions.)

 

posted by adampayne on May 10, 2007 at 04:04 PM
Hey, anonymous, why don't you do a little reading and get out in the world a bit more and we wouldn't have to put up with your inane statements. According to Laurence Simon, director of the Programs in Sustainable International Development at Brandeis University's Heller School for Social Policy and Management, speaking on Katrina and foreign aid issues,

"Cuba, for example, offered to send more than 1,000 doctors. If the United States accepts Cuba's offer of doctors, there should be nothing to stop them from arriving in a day or two, other than, of course, diplomatic problems. How much closer can you get [than Cuba]? And no doubt Cuba would make good on its offer. It has one of the finest medical-health systems in the Western Hemisphere; these would be very qualified physicians."

You know, retarded comments from the uninformed and the anonymous always make for a good laugh.
posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 04:06 PM

Cuba, in fact, does *NOT* have a better system than the US, other studies show.  Theirs is about equal to ours.  At half the cost, of course, but we pay twice as much as anyone else. 

http://www.photius.com/rank...

And, of course, both countries are under embargoes preventing medical supplies to be shipped in directly, making comparisons between the two countries valid.

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And maybe Castro's on the list and Bush isn't because Bush is increasingly irrelevant to the world...

posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 04:07 PM

Yeah right, eight days in Havana at cherry picked locations. That proves alot. Hardliner, why don't you swim down there with mattloch and visit the Cottonwood Roads and then get back to us.

posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 04:09 PM
Irv/Anny, Cuba *ALSO* does a better job of hurricane disaster relief and preparation than we do.  Why don't *YOU* swim down there and report back on *THAT.*  It's going to be a baaaad hurricane season, particularly with the leaky levees.
posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 04:12 PM

Some of us do read,Adam.

http://babalublog.com/

posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 10, 2007 at 04:16 PM

Well, obviously Anny is Irv, since I hit such a nerve.  Hey, that rhymed!  ;-)

I've seen Irv do better than that.

Come across like a damn hateful bigot, and I'll give you a well-deserved slam with a 2-by-4 like one.

Come across like a decent person, and see how quickly I return the favor.

(Weird.  My Sam code is BOSNY.)

Re:  babalublog --  Not interested in hate-based sites.
 

posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 04:26 PM

Let's see. I'm a damn hateful bigot and you are a decent person threatening me with a 2x4. Makes perfect sense, Hardliner.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on May 10, 2007 at 04:27 PM

Yep, it does, doesn't it?

(Regulars know that the 2-by-4 is a verbal one, of course.  I wouldn't actually threaten a blogger with a physical 2-by-4.  That sounds more your speed.)

posted by antiextremism on May 10, 2007 at 04:46 PM
Cuba does have some excellent hurricane response teams and they offered to help during Katrina...but were turned down of course.
posted by adampayne on May 10, 2007 at 04:58 PM
Even on a bizarre blog site like Babalublog there are no postings on the quality of medical care, only the repeated shortage of critical medicines and supplies, which our stupid government perpetuates with an idiotic embargo. Krushev and Breshnev are dead. Castro cannot hurt the US, why punish the people?  It is strictly corporate right-wing political bilge at its worst to continue.

I hope Moore sues the Bush White House for harrassment. This is just one more vendetta driven episode from the Gang  That Couldn't Shoot Straight or Tell It Straight.  I cannot see how you can defend one policy this Administration promotes.
You know, Blair resigned today and actually apologized for coming up short for the British people. Bush and Cheney don't have the courage to do the same, even if it would be in America's best interest. When Vladmir Putin can assume the high ground in a diplomatic rebuke aimed at our policies you know things are bad, very bad.
posted by ronmexico on May 10, 2007 at 05:01 PM

mmm

YOu can't sue the cops for harrassment if you have broken a law.. 

posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 05:04 PM

You can if they can't prosecute you for it.  It's called "malicious prosecution."  But you sue the Justice Department, not the cops.  You know, the "enforcer" arm of the Republican National Committee...

 

posted by ronmexico on May 10, 2007 at 05:20 PM

The regulations are pretty clear.

http://travel.state.gov/tra...

There is nothing wrong with the Treasury Department investigating his trip.  That is their job.  Are you suggesting that federal employess not do their job??

IF you don't like the law, then get your surrender monkeys in Congress to change it.

posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 05:22 PM

You obviously didn't read any of the posting on the site, Adam. Which, by the way, is what you accused anny of not doing. And,  there have been more than one democratic president who have supported the embargo. Why is it always Bush, Bush, Bush? You liberals  on these blogs sound like a broken record. If I remember correctly, it is the Kennedy's who have the vendetta against Castro. 

posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 05:24 PM

It's Bush, Bush, Bush because he's going to leave the country in a shambles, and he's the figurehead at present.

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I'm suggesting that federal employees *SHOULD* do their jobs.  The job of the Justice Department is *NOT* to use federal investigators to harass people for political reasons.

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And once we take the third house, yes, I'd like to see the embargo against Cuba lifted. 

posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 05:30 PM

 I would like to see the embargo against Cuba lifted too. As soon as an international tribunal convicts Fidel and his little bro Raul of crimes against humanity and either imprisons or executes them both.

posted by ronmexico on May 10, 2007 at 05:32 PM

THe Justice Department isnot doing anything.  It is the Treasury Department.  It looks to me like they are doing their job.

http://www.thesmokinggun.co...

You might want to try and gather facts, rather than use blatant lies.

posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 05:36 PM

Hey Random, who was the "enforcer arm" of the DNC under WJC?

posted by adampayne on May 10, 2007 at 05:37 PM
Clinton tried to end the embargo and did relax many restrictions. It was the Republican Congress who stopped the complete end of this ludicrous policy. And I did read a goodly portion of the less hysterical posts on the site, which mostly commented on the critical shortages within the country. I understand the boogiyman Castro is easy fodder for the righteous and godly, never mind how corrupt and dictatorial the preceding regime was.  The point is they have fine medical personnel from any point of view, and their citizens are universally covered, unlike the near 50 million people without coverage in America.

Having met Michael Moore on more than a couple of occasions, I find the attacks on his films from people who have never watched his documentaries another example of how low the critical bar is for most of America. There are still  many people who will  check their biases at the door  and view  Moore's latest documentary, which I'm very sure will deliver the goods on our pitiful state of health care in the land of milk and honey.
posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 05:38 PM

The Treasury Department would likely turn over anything they find to JD for persecution.  So far as I know they don't have any prosecutors, although they do run the Secret Service.  You got any blatant lies you want to share with us?

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But I imagine Michael Moore would send them a thank-you note.  This'll be wonderful publicity for the film, and it looks like the rednuts are already skeered of what his film will do.

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Irv, Bush's trial first, 'kay?

 

posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 05:39 PM
Why Irv, I believe that was James Carville.
posted by randomfactor on May 10, 2007 at 05:40 PM
Gotta pull a Reagan here, on duty soon.  And yes, Michael Moore's still fat.
posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 05:48 PM
Random, you crack me up. But you all sound like the people you are so down on. It's all about the money. As long as "fat boy" makes a bundle, everything is good, right?
posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 05:51 PM

Adam, Clinton could have ended the embargo with an executive order, but he chose not to. Would you like to enlighten us as to why?

posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 05:57 PM
Perhaps Clinton didn't end the embargo for the same reasons all the other Presidents don't irv..political reasons. The majority of South Florida's cuban population would go off the deep end if and when the embargo is ended.
posted by ronmexico on May 10, 2007 at 05:59 PM
I hope the fat ass gets thrown in jail and becomes Big Bubba's bride.  Make a movie about that, fatty...
posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 05:59 PM
As for your characterization of Moore as 'fat boy' stick a sock in it irv. If you don't like his movies fine..evidently enough people do. As for crimes against humanity..plenty of folks think BushCo should be charged as well.
posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 06:00 PM
I'm not sure what you mean, Dusty. Would you elaborate on that statement.
posted by irv on May 10, 2007 at 06:06 PM

Dusty, my reference to "fat boy" was a joking response to Random's comment. Are you sure you are awake yet?

posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 06:10 PM
irv..I think most of our points here on this thread is that this investigation will fuel publicity for his forthcoming movie..which I am sure isn't the governments intent.
posted by dusty1215 on May 10, 2007 at 06:11 PM
Ron, lots of us hope the same thing happens to Bush, Cheney and everyone else responsible for the War in Iraq.
posted by ronmexico on May 10, 2007 at 09:21 PM

What, you hope that the treasury investigates Bush going to Cuba? ?When did Bush go to Cuba??

THe Surrender Monkeys in Congress don't have the sack to do anything.

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