If Nader were black he would get at least 90% of the black vote.  If he were black and had a cool name like Mohamed Alika Quesimi he would get 50% of the liberal vote so he just needs to make some minor changes to his genetics and moniker. Add that to the gay vote and he would be a force. Of course the Republicans would still require some substance.

I have to say that Bidens reluctant admission surprised me.

  I don't understand why gays and lesbians support candidates that are against same sex marriage. 

One reason is that gays and lesbians aren't One-issue voters.  We have a whole laundry list of issues that are important to us. If you look at this year's crop of candidates, Dennis Kucinich from Ohio was the most vocal proponent of marriage rights for same sex couple, not Nader.  Another issue is that, while a great many (probably most) gays and lesbians are registered as Democrats is that the Democrats have the far, far better track record of helping minorities achieve civil rights goals.  If the Republican Party had a similar record, you would see a seismic division and shifting to the Republican side because a vast number of homosexuals are very conservative in their politics and that makes following Ralph Nader more challenging.

There are many reason to like Ralph Nader, in particular his record in the area of consumer protection. It's admirable and there's no argument to it.  But it's basically the only thing he has to run on. He doesn't have experiences in the legislative trenches beyond his expert testimony on consumer issues.  The war in Iraq is a MAJOR issue, but the biggest challenge is the ECONOMY (stupid :-). Obama's pragmatic intellect is very appealing in that reguard and to conservative like me, it's what sets him MILES apart from John McCain.  McCain makes a great nagger to try and keep spending in control but beyond that, he just doesn't seem to have a grip on reality.  His answer for just about about every economic issue is "no new taxes". Hey. We, meaning every man, woman and child in this nation, are in dept to the tune of about $3,000.00 EACH because of this financial crisis and the longer we take to pay it of, the more INTEREST that debt accumulates. We are living on CHINA'S credit card BECAUSE OF THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION that spent us into oblivion and got us engaged in a war we should never have started.

See?  It's not just about one issue. Gays and lesbians have jobs. We have to have a roof over our heads and food to eat  FIRST before we can do anything. We are forced to look for leadership that serves ALL of us, even at the expense of our civil rights.

 I have to say that Bidens reluctant admission surprised me.

I blogged on that very issue the day of the VP debate. I think I got like two comments. The gay & lesbian community have known about it from the get-go.

anglo1, this doesn't have to do about race. 90% of the time African Americans vote for the Democratic Party. There is a wide spectrum of liberal opinions, but I don't think any liberals would vote for somebody due to their name.

night, night! 

Blah, blah blah. And blah.

(In response to HM 10:11 pm)

when prop 8 passes we wont have to worry about the gay marriage issue anymore i cant wait to see all of you homos cry when that passes ill be the guy pointing and laughing at you

1. Ralph Nader "elected" George W. Bush in 2000.   He had the chance to do the right thing and didn't.  Nothing he can ever say will undue the damage he did to the United States.  He will be relegated to the dustbin of egotistical has-beens of history.

2. Honch20, don't count your chickens before they hatch.  Even if Prop 8 passes (which is problematical), it won't affect the marraiges entered into before November, and it won't change the ruling by the California Supreme Court that gay couples must be granted equal rights under California law.   The worst result will be than we will have a dual system of "Marriage" and "Domestic Partnership".  The best result will be that the people of California will show that the right-wing  bigots are......nothing more than right-wing bigots.

 when prop 8 passes we wont have to worry about the gay marriage issue anymore i cant wait to see all of you homos cry when that passes ill be the guy pointing and laughing at you

You're naive Honch if you think this is the ultimate tough issue gay people have had to deal with. At worst, it'll mean we still have Domestic Partnership, which is the EXACT equivalent of marriage in California. It's IDENTICAL.

We've always (and continue to) had to deal with housing and job discrimination, but at long-last there is no longer a law in existence in ANY state that criminalizes homosexuality, not since the United States Supreme Court ruled in Lawrence vs. Texas. See, we were used to going to night clubs and having the cops walk in and arrest us for "being in a business known to be a gathering place for homosexuals."  You didn't have to commit a crime. You just had to BE THERE having a beer.  That's over. The Los Angeles police department Chief Gates used his arrest record at gay bars to win his re-election campaigns. He would pad his "vice" arrests by sending his goon squad to any gay bar where the entire place would be loaded into paddy wagons and jailed overnight. He would then threaten to tell employers the victims were arrested in gay bars in order to blackmail gays from filing unlawful arrest complaints.  It worked.  It was virtually unheard of for some guy to contest the arrest. He'd just pay a fine that amounted to a parking ticket and go home, but Gates got his "vice" arrest statistics improved and that made him look like God because he was "tough on crime."

The really ugly thing about your comment, Honch, is you have an utter lack of respect for justice.  That's definitely something for us all to cry over.

Who's Ralph Nader? Does he really think anybody cares what he says or thinks? Who's his running mate? Ron Paul?

Well nine, that would certainly lower Kern's population rate quite significantly. LOL

when prop 8 passes we wont have to worry about the gay marriage issue anymore

1.  It ain't gonna pass.

2.  You'd *STILL* have to deal with the thousands of legally-married same-sex couples who tied the knot before the proposition passed.

antie: thats a good one i am still lol