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jasonsperber - > Blogging Bako -> Your input requested!
Your input requested!

 Good morning, B.commers!  I have a few site-related things I need to talk about, the first of which is something we need your feedback on a.s.a.p., so please leave a comment below.

First, we all know that the originally 15 minute, now 5 minute cache refresh on /recentblogcomments, designed to help with the load lag problem, is an imperfect solution.  Part of the problem is that when the cache is refreshed to include new comments, the entire archive is rebuilt--check out the pagination links at the top and bottom, there are over 2000 pages of 50-comments-per-page.

So, a solution that would allow us to go back to real-time updating on that page would be to limit the number of page links available to view.  Instead of being able to page through 2000 pages of comments in reverse chronological order, we'd limit it to, say, 5 pages. Older comments would get bumped off the bottom of page 5 by newer comments coming in at the top of page 1.  They wouldn't be gone--they'd still be live on blogposts, archived on people's profiles, etc.--you just wouldn't be able to page through pages of reverse-chronological-order comments that are really old.

So, my question is, how many pages of old comments do people need?  How far back do people go on /recentblogcomments, on average?  Is 5 pages of 50 comments each enough?  A look at our metrics suggests that it is, but I wanted to get your opinions.  So, have at it, and thanks.

[Edited to add: We need to change the pagination links today, but the caching timeframe won't change until next week.]

The other things I wanted to mention are a continuing bug and a new feature.  First, the bug: the ability to save blogposts as drafts to work on for later is still broken.  We're working on it, but please don't try to use it right now, or you'll lose your content.

And second, the new feature: in the past, folks who've asked about changing their username have been told it wasn't possible.  Now, it is.  However, please know that changing your username will change the part of the URLs of all your blogposts that is your username, so any extant links to those posts using the old URL will now be dead.  If you need to change your username for some reason, please contact me directly.

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posted by gsisola on Dec 10, 2008 at 09:53 PM

I'm sorry Rickldo... you are correct... I was looking at actual "Blog Post's"... not "New Comments"... my apologies.

Tell you the truth... I never look at the "New Comments" page... that was actually the first time I have ever looked at it... 2 mins. ago... I just check the actual post's.

posted by Rickldo on Dec 10, 2008 at 09:18 PM

That's odd, why the discrepancy? I rechecked...I can only go back to 4pm yesterday...

 

spamcode- IRX NW - Irks New? or North West?

posted by gsisola on Dec 10, 2008 at 09:05 PM

I found this on the bottom of page five

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posted by Rickldo on Dec 10, 2008 at 09:01 PM

Just checked the bottom of page 5 and it was a post from around 4pm yesterday, so 250 posts takes you back 25-30 hours.

posted by NancyII on Dec 10, 2008 at 08:58 PM

How far back do bloggers need to go?  Depends on how bad they want to discredit each other with past blogs.  :-)

NOW can we work on one sign in every 24 hours instead of every time I leave the computer to do something else?

posted by gsisola on Dec 10, 2008 at 08:53 PM

Thanks poet... I will give it a try.

I think I did it... I moved all four settings from "e-mail and my inbox" on the left side to "my inbox" on the right side... we will see if that works... Thanks.

posted by KernPoet on Dec 10, 2008 at 08:40 PM

You can turn off the email notifications.

posted by gsisola on Dec 10, 2008 at 07:54 PM

Three pages of post's is about as far as I look back, usually by then the comments left on a post are dead... maybe five if I am really looking for something that I wanted to reference to. The other thing that kind of bugs me is the inbox full of people who left comments on my post's... and if you leave a comment on your own post for some reason you get two of these for each comment you leave... I usually just check the number of comments on my posts... if if that number is higher than on last check... I will read them... right now I have about 600 of these messages and I will very unlikely go through this pile and delete them... also my home e-mail account gets piled up with the "registration @ bakersfield.com... some one left a comment on your blog" it really bugs my wife when I post something that gets alot of comments.

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 10, 2008 at 02:28 PM

Thanks for your input.  In a roll-out of some back-end upgrades and fixes this afternoon, we implemented the 5-pages-of-old-comments-only on /recentblogcomments.  Next week, when we move to new servers, we will go back to having that page update in realtime (for now, though, it's still doing the 5 minute thing).

posted by Laurah on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:43 AM

Five sounds good.

posted by ConservativeCowgirl33 on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Jason~

I am still learning my way around, but 5 would be great! I would say in most cases, by about page 2-3 the discussion is off topic to say the least.

posted by Rettchr on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Five pages is okay with me -- I usually don't go back more than 2 pages.  The one exception was when we were all concerned about Sam Heath a couple of weeks ago!  :)

 

posted by siouxcityranch on Dec 10, 2008 at 11:09 AM

 Eww eww hand raised..I vote 5..

and its rare I will go that far..the topics are usually history by then so your the last comment if you post ..in this situation the last word seems to be extremely inadequate

posted by catpaw on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:56 AM

Usually the topic gets so many comments and I move on. 5 pages is good enough.

posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:42 AM

5 sounds cool.....then we'll see 'how that boat floats' after that....hey..it's a start--


posted by ApolloDawn on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM

Five pages is good to me.  Early in the life of the page lag problem, I wondered why it was necessary to go back 100,000 comments.

Something tells me that telling the database to stop its search after finding a set number of entries is more efficient than going back a set number of days.

If I really want to find an old comment, I find it in the commenter's profile.

posted by FloridaStateGrad on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:39 AM

I like the idea about days, if it's possible.  Anything older than 3 days rarely seems to be re-commented on.

 

However, I'd say 5 pages works.. I think the most I've gone is 4 when searching for an old post I had commented on. 

 

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:37 AM

Shwaine, the development team says that your ideas are good for the long term and will be considered in future planning.  This, however, is a short-term, immediate fix.

posted by jfrancais on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:35 AM

How about ten to be on the safe side?

posted by CatherineBaker on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:30 AM

5 sounds about right, Jason.  I can't imagine needing any more than that.

posted by Shwaine on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:29 AM

Rather than limit by the number of comments, might I suggest limiting by the number of days? On busy days, a day's worth of comments could easily span 5 pages, particularly if someone is running a game or we get a couple of hottly followed blogs going. If you're gone for two days, you'd miss everything from a couple of days before because the comments got over 250. I would suggest limiting it to the last week's worth of comments and adjusting the page count as needed for that instead of fixing the page count. If your coders find that too difficult, then keep at least 20 pages worth of comments to deal with the hot topics that might creep up. Better yet, implement a blog view sorted by last comment posted instead the creation date of the blog. You'll probably find that drops page views on Recent Comments to nearly nothing.

posted by Ray_Harwick on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:27 AM

Hey! Thanks Jason.

posted by Ray_Harwick on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:25 AM

If you are referring to the New Comments page, then my experience with it is that ONE page that show the most recent 50 comments is sufficient.  That reason is that, at least for me, when I'm participating in several discussion simultaneously, I watch the New Comments page (ONLY the first page) to see if someone has posted a new comment.  I don't remember *ever* looking at *any* New Comments page other than the first one.

Now that the New Comments page is slower to refresh, I've pretty much stop using it when I focused on a particular blog(s). I just use the New Blogs page to navigate to them. However, since the *count* on the New Blogs page isn't reliable now, I still have to click and see if a new comment has been posted to a blog I'm interested in. Sometimes I just sit and refresh a particular blog instead of looking for new comment OR looking at the New Blogs page because if you are anticipating a comment on a particular discussion, it's just quicker to refresh the blog because any new comment won't show up on the New Comments page or won't be counted on the New Blogs page for a while.

So, I'm cool with a single page of New Comment with 50 responses.

posted by Rickldo on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:24 AM

I, for one, have never scrolled past the second or third page to find content. I'll go to the profile of someone I remember posting on the blog and track down the comment in their cached comments.

5 pages sounds very reasonable, 10 at the very far outside limit...

posted by jasonsperber on Dec 10, 2008 at 10:09 AM

How many page of old comments in reverse chronological order do we need? (On /recentblogcomments)  Please give your opinion!

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