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kangarue - > Liturature -> The Government and Hurricane Katrina?
The Government and Hurricane Katrina?
The government plays a large part in our lives but most of the time they don't tell us the whole story, no I'm not saying there is necessarily a "conspiracy" going on but I've heard a few rumors that the U.S. government played a part in altering the course of the hurricane, something about using "weather contol", is this a complete fallacy? There is supposed to be a program about it on the Discovery Channel this weekend. I'm going to check it out and see what the deal is, anyone else have ideas or thoughts on the situation?
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posted by kangarue on Friday, July 20, 2007 at 01:10 PM
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posted by mattloch on Jul 20, 2007 at 02:59 PM
Influencing weather patterns is difficult at best. Cloud seeding (to create rain) has been tried for the past few decades with mixed success. Persistent conspiracy nuts contend that radar stations in Alaska can be used for altering weather (with no proof). I've heard of "cloud cannons" that farmers use to supposedly keep clouds away from their crops (with little evidence, but lots of noise).

The program you're thinking of is completely fictional. Like their "what would happen if Yellowstone went super-critical?"

You want a government conspiracy about Katrina (and the aftermath)? Try this.
posted by GrpThink on Jul 20, 2007 at 03:05 PM

 

Something else the government didn't tell us about Katrina:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has suppressed warnings from its own Gulf coast field workers since the middle of 2006 about suspected health problems that may be linked to elevated levels of formaldehyde gas released in FEMA-provided trailers, lawmakers said today.

At a hearing this morning of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, investigators released internal e-mails indicating that FEMA lawyers rejected environmental testing out of fear that the agency would then become legally liable if health problems emerged among as many as 120,000 families displaced by Hurricane Katrina who lived in trailers.

http://tinyurl.com/yvmzg2

posted by kangarue on Jul 20, 2007 at 03:11 PM

Gottcha, couldn't figure it out. The aftermath is a completly different subject, psh bet I could get a TON of people's opinions on that whole... disaster...  >.<

And Grpthink I heard about that, it's crazy! I also heard they were experimenting with different chemicals and whatnot that's most likely harmful to all of us, friendly-fire chemical warfare.

posted by mattloch on Jul 20, 2007 at 03:17 PM
There was also this kangarue.

Oh, and enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
posted by GrpThink on Jul 20, 2007 at 03:22 PM

 

And don't forget the Tuskegee study on Blacks the government conducted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

 

posted by mattloch on Jul 20, 2007 at 04:18 PM
See GrpThink, that's the problem. The government has actually done so much f--ked up s--t, that the tin-foil hat people have a hard time finding truly crazy stuff that doesn't sound at least plausible.....

The truest test of a conspiracy is that they 1) rely on the government to act competently, and 2) require the government to keep a secret. Both of which are improbable on their own, and impossible in combination.
posted by anglo1 on Jul 20, 2007 at 05:21 PM
Every trailer, mobile home, motor home, even new homes have elevated levels of formaldehyde.  Its in the carpet, paneling, etc.and  will off gas for quite some time. It's normal and common and not a right wing conspiracy to kill the residents of New Orleans.  If you put new carpet in your house you will get higher levels of different hazardous gases even there in Bakersfield.  Go to any RV dealer and open a new trailer on a hot day and take a whiff.
posted by sagefever on Jul 20, 2007 at 05:37 PM

In May, FEMA said its own tests of 96 new trailers near Baton Rouge last September and October found formaldehyde at 1.2 parts per million, but levels dropped to 0.3 parts per million after four days of ventilation. FEMA said that is the accepted threshold used by the Department of Housing and Urban Development for its manufactured homes.

But Mary C. DeVany, an occupational health and safety engineer advising the Sierra Club, testified that that exposure limit of 0.3 parts per million is 400 times greater than the normal limit for year-round exposure set by the CDC-affiliated Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Register. It is also three times the daily exposure limit recommended by the National Institute on Occupational Safety and Health, she said. From the article ,which outlines FEMA's reluctance in regards to testing~worth a click and read.I do not think it's a conspiracy,just another example of this administration incompetence,

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posted by NancyII on Jul 20, 2007 at 06:22 PM
Anyone know where the "new car" smell comes from?
posted by gsisola on Jul 20, 2007 at 06:49 PM
Yes, "the new car smell" occurs from the out gassing of new materials : plastics, carpet, glue and the like.
posted by NancyII on Jul 20, 2007 at 07:21 PM

GASP..it must be a right wing conspiricy !  

Anyone now want to guess how much time some people spend in their new cars with the windows rolled up sniffing all those chemicals?

posted by sagefever on Jul 20, 2007 at 08:55 PM
LOL~ to me it's like that smell going down the microwave popcorn aisle~it's repelling and yet desirable.I read awhile back in the paper now they think that "buttery" flavor is bad for you.There is a whole industry that makes carpeting etc that is icky smell free(formaldehyde) and a lot of other is it good or bad for you additives~naturally they cost more.I guess some nose are more sensitive~I hate "new" smell.
posted by kangarue on Jul 21, 2007 at 02:44 AM

Yeah I doubted conspiricy, I'll save that for X-Files shows.. wait.. is that still running? Anyway, just curious to see if anyone else had heard anything on it..

posted by Charlie on Jul 21, 2007 at 08:54 AM

Bush ordered the trailers, built the trailers, delivered the trailers, then ordered the derelics to live in them.
He personally inspected each and every one. He posted instructions for them to not open windows, to smoke
 heavily, especially when little children were present, to be sure and cook with the windows closed and not to
use vents. But, let's go back, back to 2005. He should have known that the hurricane was heading straight for
New Orleans, anyone could see that when it formed next to Africa. Why didn't he go over Blanko's head,
why didn't he tell Chocolate Man to get out of the way and just move in jillions of National Guard troops to
wisk away those Ghetto folks.

Author unknown, but pretty much sums up the LW lib point of view

posted by mattloch on Jul 21, 2007 at 09:49 AM
I see, Charlie. Are we going to play this game now?

"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them." --Barbara Bush, in the Astrodome

"Now tell me the truth boys, is this kind of fun?" --Tom Delay, while on the tour with top administration officials from Washington, including U.S. Secretary of Labor Elaine L. Chao and U.S. Treasury Secretary John W. Snow. DeLay stopped to chat with three young boys resting on cots. The congressman likened their stay to being at camp.

"Brownie, you're doin' a heckuva job." -GWB

"I don’t think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees." --GWB (a complete and utter bold-faced lie if there ever was one.

Authors known, but pretty much sums up the RW (neo-)conservative point of view.

Don't make me find unknown authors for Katrina quotes. Finding some batshait insane tin-hat wearing nutjob to characterize an entire political side's point of view can only end in disaster for you. STFU Charlie.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jul 21, 2007 at 09:53 AM
Would have been a much better target for that "go die in a fire" line...
posted by mattloch on Jul 21, 2007 at 10:28 AM
I disagree Hardliner. Charlie fills the same position that Coulter does: representing the right-wing on the political spectrum so well, he usually makes out point for us.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Jul 21, 2007 at 10:29 AM
You're sharp this morning...
posted by mattloch on Jul 21, 2007 at 11:33 AM
posted by Charlie on Jul 21, 2007 at 11:57 AM

"Charlie fills the same position that Coulter does: representing the right-wing on the political spectrum so well, he usually makes out point for us. "

Give me a break. You haven't made a point, never have. Just a bunch of LW lib drivel. Oh yeah, I know, Bush made you do it. And learn to spell while you're at it.

posted by mattloch on Jul 21, 2007 at 12:16 PM
Good comeback, Charlie. Don't bother addressing the issue, just call people names and obfuscate.

Par for the course.
posted by Charlie on Jul 21, 2007 at 12:59 PM

"Good comeback, Charlie. Don't bother addressing the issue, just call people names and obfuscate.    Par for the course."

Yeah, I'm a lot like you and a few others here in that respect. But then it's only offensive when a conservative does it. Perfectly acceptable for a lib. Yeah, that's the ticket.

posted by mattloch on Jul 21, 2007 at 05:45 PM
Charlie, who else in here is quoting unknown authors, and claiming they speak for the entirety of one side of the political spectrum? Nobody said that the trailers in NOLA are Bush's fault, except perhaps yourself. We're talking about "the government", i.e. FEMA, the feds, whatever you want to call them. Somebody within the government damn well made the decision that it was better to let people live in potentially harmful trailers than to test them and find out. Bare minimum, that's called "criminal negligence". Include more than one person in that group, that's "conspiracy".
posted by GrpThink on Jul 22, 2007 at 10:07 AM

Nobody said that the trailers in NOLA are Bush's fault

Charlie is the newly decreed king of the Strawmen.

May he wear his crown with shame.
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