no wonder the left cant pass crap with a super majority....they all lie to each other

 And your PhD is from...?

Obviously anyone disagreeing with you is either "on drugs" or "sociopaths".

Tell, me- in your "expert" opinion- which am I?

What a sad, little, frustrating world you must live in.

ya i enjoyed that lefty love fest they held on this yesterday...the way they dogpiled youngconservative for voicing his opinion was disgusting to even read..

 AHHH  the first example steps up to the plate and hits a home run

And your PhD is from...?

Obviously anyone disagreeing with you is either "on drugs" or "sociopaths".

Tell, me- in your "expert" opinion- which am I?

What a sad, little, frustrating world you must live in.

You're linking a reform bill for health care insurance with the shooting of dozens of people.  I don't think you qualify to judge sociopathy except by comparison with your own.

I am not saying everyone on the left is on drugs or sociopaths. But what I will say is, the majority of you can not have honest discussions. Look at your compatriot Random, he can't go a single post without trying to personally attack someone, and without an actual target then just throw jabs at the Right in general. I am willing to debate how the Left is going to ruin this country with you, if you can refrain from personally attacking me, and as of late the last resort response, falling back on the good old racism card. I can talk to you all day about how your probable views, although mostly noble, will never work.

I'm a firm believer that Hasan commited acts of terrorism yesterday.  I'm also "liberal" as you like to call it.

Not to worry miles.  Anyone on here disagreeing with the left here is either in idiot, a liar, or ignorant.  Just ask them.  It's on darned near every blog.  It's tit for tat.

Logansdad, I give back what I am given, in kind.  Learnem has a long history of personal comments and as such I give him no slack--within the bounds of the TOS, of course.  With his educational background he's doing the best he can, I'm sure. 

The preponderance of the right-wing crap posted here is similarly personal in nature.  And yes, a great deal of it originated--in my opinion--from a racial hatred of the current President of the United States.

As for Hasan, I think the guy just snapped.  I do not think he was directed from anywhere else (as the 9/11 hijackers were) nor do I think he was trying to make a political statement.  As I observed elsewhere, he was in the Army.  They tend to use bullets where other tactics might be better.  I think that if he recovers he will find himself horrified by what he has done.  Again, just my opinion.  I will be genuinely astonished if he claims any al Qaeda affiliation or Hamas or whatever.

This is not a man who has the personal motivators suicide bombers have (many of them economic.)  I think he was genuinely terrified of being sent into a situation he did not feel he could handle; I think he heard too many horror stories from the PTSD victims he was treating.  I think he snapped, and because of his occupation he had access to weapons.  Had he been a bus drive, the death toll might have been similar.

Nancy, as my dear old great-aunt Betty would say, "If the shoe fits, wear it."

Has it been determined that he was a cell?

Random, this will be the last time I respond to you..... probably.

The resistance that Obama is feeling, is not because he is black. It is because he wants to "fundamentally change" the greatest nation on Earth because he does not agree with our system of government. There are many nations that are Socialist in nature, if he, or even you, do not like the Capitalist nature of our country, nobody is stopping him, or you, from moving to one of them. I do not support our current President, at all in fact. Does this mean I am a racist? Because last I checked, my bi-racial children would say otherwise. Are you saying my Caucasian parents are racist? Because they taught their children that the color of a man's skin means nothing, only their actions. And it is the actions of President Obama by which I, my parents, and everyone I know that is like-minded, judge him. Your own argument is meaningless when you attempt to label opposition to the President as being racist. Or did you call black people that opposed Bush racist as well? I think you probably did not. Just like you think that ONLY Fox is biased right?

As far as what Hasan had access to on a military base, I can clearly see you have never served your country in the armed forces. I have, and I can tell you that weapons are kept in armories. Furthermore, should he gain access to an armory, which he can't, there is zero ammunition kept in armories. And since you want to turn this monster into a man by attempting to allude that he was somehow not in control of his actions, I hope you one day know the personal loss of a loved one to terrorism. This was an act committed by a religious zealot. This man is a dog and deserves no more sympathy than what you would give to a cockroach that is crushed beneath the heel of your shoe.

So you can attempt to attack me personally now. That is fine by me, because I know that your obvious belief in your own self-worth and superiority is as fickle and false as that of Princess Pelosi. You cannot bring a real debate or point of view to these blogs, because all you attempt to do is attack people. If you are as truly intelligent as you believe you are, then attempt to stay away from personal attacks, and just argue with actual, and possibly valid, points. Otherwise, when you do have a valid point to make, it is completely shot out of the water by your name calling and mud throwing. If someone else does it then why don't you act like the bigger and smarter person, as you think you are, and let your facts do the talking for you.

This is my second day looking at these blogs and responding, and you have already attempted to attack me. But in my first day without calling you any type of name, I called you out for what you are. False. And how did I do that? You attacked Youngconservative over Fox News and talk radio calling it biased. And I simply responded by saying "Cause MSNBC and CNN are unbiased right? Confirm/deny."

See what I did there? I put the BS that you spout to people right back in your own face, without personally attacking you. Come on smart guy, or girl, why are you unable to do that when you are obviously the smartest person here?

And btw, you make yourself sound dumb when you talk about the military when you know nothing about it.

I'm a firm believer that Hasan commited acts of terrorism yesterday.  I'm also "liberal" as you like to call it.

sorry i pigeon-holed you FSG....ill remember to leave you out the next time i make a blanket "liberals are all" post

logansdad

thats why they worked so hard to get him elected...so any criticism of their agenda...and they KNEW their agenda was going to be hated from the get-go, could be deemed racism

Random, this will be the last time I respond to you.....

I appreciate that.  You're wasting my time.

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And btw, you make yourself sound dumb when you talk about the military when you know nothing about it.

I was an Air Force brat.  Speaking of making *YOU* sound dumb.

I am aware that ammunition on a base is strictly held.  He got his training and his orientation towards solving problems with bullets from the military, however .  I'm quite curious as to where he got the weaponry and ammunition he used.  I'm content to find out later.  Again, had he been a bus driver with a grievance he'd have used *THAT*.  Being military he responded with guns.  He apparently bought that gun privately, off-base--but I don't think that's been established yet.

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You attacked Youngconservative over Fox News and talk radio calling it biased. And I simply responded by saying "Cause MSNBC and CNN are unbiased right? Confirm/deny."

You can never assume something on a blog from what *ISN'T* said.  In this case, I didn't see your posting.  Yes, I confirm--both MSNBC and CNN are essentially biased towards the right-wing also, with the occasional exception of an MSNBC program or three.

Particularly exhibiting that bias on MSNBC, for example, is the Morning Joe program with the guy who was involved in Republican politics until his girlfriend died mysteriously.  There is no similarly liberal program on Fox, for example.

you have lied so much in the past Random...no one is going to believe you know anything about the military...i certainly dont

and this guy went to school and became a psychiatrist... he allegedly knew better than to solve problems with guns...which his problem obviously in the entire United States.

BTW..your response to logansdad dropped your credibility even lower than what is already was...its junk status now....

maybe if you quit lying...eventually, we can actually believe you again...but i doubt it

both MSNBC and CNN are essentially biased towards the right-wing also 

I think you are the only person that believes this.

If I am wasting your time, please do not respond to this.

Air Force brat, makes you a fount of all knowledge that has to do with the military.

Good thing I said probably.

learnem, your incoherent and misspelled screeds on these blogs hardly make you a trustworthy source about me.  I have documented in the past specifically where you have altered quotations to claim I said something I did not.

My credibility here is *WAY* above yours.  Sorry about that.  Must suck to have paid so much for your education and have it do nothing for you...

I'm off to enjoy the rest of the day, so if logansdad fails to get any more of his questions answered...well, too bad.

Logansdad, BRAVO! yours was the most eloqent and right on target expose and definition of Random, well done and please continue to post on this blog!

This occurred to me the other day and I think it's appropriate right here.

How hard  is it to just say "I think you're wrong"  "I think you have it backwards?" instead of "You nut job wackos don't know what you're talking about?"
 

And puleeze, don't lets start with the "he said it first" BS.  After all these years no one knows who said what first but I'll say one thing.  When I started posting on the actual blog I was one of the very, very few conservatives here.  I was outnumbered by a staggering number back then but I'm not easily intimidated so I hung in.  I was insulted at every turn if not personally, then by my position.  When one blogger was ranting in general about the evil conservatives I called a foul and I was told by that blogger that if I got in his line of fire it was just tough.

It doesn't seem to matter what the topic is, there are always at least two camps and they are always at each others throats.  Always have been and looks like they always will be.  So carry on folks, there's not a person on here that hasn't gotten their digs and jabs in at people in the other camp at one time or another.  This pure as the driven show baloney is just that....baloney.

Drop the halos, they don't fit anyone here.  Including me.  But at least I'm honest about it.

however you have to spin it RF to make yourself feel better..yes..you are way above my own credibility level

I agree with you Nancy. Obviously politics is a big thing these days, and it infringes on every topic as you said, no matter what the topic may concern. It is just silly to me when instead of fighting back with facts or personal beliefs on a subject, someone responds with personal attacks on another just because there are differing political ideologies. Everyone loves a good argument, it is stimulating. But all of the fun is taken out of it when an argument degrades into name calling, or as is quite prevalent, commenting on the intelligence, or the claimed lack thereof, of other posters.

One further point to people that want to argue, bad spelling does not equal ignorance. If a person misspells a word or thirty (that is a joke), then that does not make them dum. See what I did there? All that means is they probably type faster than their fingers move, and could care less about spell check. Bad spelling does not make an argument invalid, calling someone racist because they do not agree with the President does however make an argument invalid.

I really do not understand a blog heading like this one. The header is nonsense.

"It is because he wants to "fundamentally change" the greatest nation on Earth because he does not agree with our system of government. There are many nations that are Socialist in nature, if he, or even you, do not like the Capitalist nature of our country, nobody is stopping him, or you, from moving to one of them. I do not support our current President, at all in fact." -Logansdad-

I believe if you stop and think about what you wrote you you might take some of those statements back. What has Barack Obama done, or said, that leads you to believe he wants to "fundamentally change" the United States of America? Do you really believe because he is proposing reform of our health care system this is a fundamental change in the nation. By expressing his views on equal rights for all and more access for those currently denied those rights, how does this get construed to mean a "fundamental change."

There is nothing in our Declaration of Independence or in the United States of America's Constitution where any economic philosophy is endorsed, or even mentioned. America is not a nation founded or determined to be capitalist or socialist or feudalistic. The government was created to  "establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity" for the people of this nation.

What do you think the "general Welfare" means? Does that mean that those who cannot afford to be treated for illnesses or accidents are just out of luck? Does that mean that because you cannot afford an education you do not get one? Does that mean that the richest one percent of America should always have more than 95% of the American population combined?

What do you mean when you say America is the "greatest nation on Earth"? Can you objectively state what greatest means? I have always found the word to be very subjective in nature, and cause for all kinds of discussions around sports figures. It is very hard to state definitively what greatest means, because one person's idea of greatest might not be another person's idea of what greatest signifies.

It is patently obvious you do not support our current President, but based on your comments you don't know why.

What has Barack Obama done, or said, that leads you to believe he wants to "fundamentally change" the United States of America?

logansdad..trust me there are many people on this blog that welcome anyone that shares our dislike of RF and his little whisps of self appointed marterism he enjoys so much...his usual attacks are on some ones spelling whether its true or not just to belittle them..or he attacks their religious beliefs because he has none and disrespects anyone that does..then he moves on to the black thing or he ricochets off calling them ignorant etc etc... dont let him get to you.. his following is a small group of Bush  haters..Most everyone agrees Bush screwed the pooch so their continual comparisons regardng our current complaints are mute..they dont ever seem to get that...

anyway enjoyed your response and looking forward to more.

Looks like Logansdad got his ticket punched by TBC. Sock puppet?

are you saying they kicked him off ray? how would you know that

This blog is over the top.  Why are you posting something that is clearly only meant to irritate?  Accusing the bloggers of doing drugs (even in jest) and calling them sociopaths is clearly wrong.  With all the schooling you claim to have, you missed CHARM SCHOOL

No I'm not sure and I don't know at all. It's just that his profile doesn't seem to be accessible. His name appears in gray (isn't clickable) while everyone else's is hyperlinked.

First off Adam, Jon Stewart is not a source for actual news. If you are going to attempt to pick apart my argument, then do so with knowledge on the sources you use. I am going to use one fact, that is 1, un, uno, eins, to make your entire argument invalid, and send you back to wikipedia to learn something and try to come back and break me down.

"General Welfare"

James Madison, the primary author of the Constitution, as everyone should know. People, such as yourself and even Alexander Hamilton, have always used those two words to imply that the government should more or less take care of the people. Did you know that Madison hated Hamilton for interpreting the Constitution in that way? So, what does that say to you? Because to me, it says you read into something that the author did not put in there.

If you honestly think that people can not receive medical treatment, then I suggest you get into the healthcare profession, has I have been, and you will see that people without insurance are still treated at the emergency room. Also, there are FREE clinics for people without insurance.

And so what if 1% of our population has more wealth than 95%, that is capitalism. You think none of those people worked for it? What in the Constitution that you want to attempt to throw in my face says you are entitled to someone else's money? Where does it say that everyone should have the same amount of wealth?

If you do not like this country, there are many out there with your point of view. Why don't you move there and see if you like how things are run. Otherwise, stop trying to force your ideologies on a large portion of this country that do not want socialism. FDR gave us enough socialism, we do not need anymore.

I hate to hear that Ray, I didn't agree with him, but he made some good points and in a more coherant way than some.

Nancy, Bravo for a great post! I wish we could all say those things and move on. Seems to me that there is too much old animosity in here, old scores to settle. Hell, Refi was keeping a file on Audrey for heaven's sake! Anyway, I really liked what you said and will do my best to follow those guidelines.

Can't wait to say, "Nancy, I think you are wrong on that."

I guess that wasn't the case. I just wasn't aware that any subscriber could make their profile private. 

[Edit] Well, after reloading the page for about the fifth time, Logansdad's profile is now clickable. Maybe it's my computer that's the problem.

I never made my profile public. This is only my second day on here, not familiar with how all of this works.

Thanks LD. I'm relieved it's not my computer.

Logansdad, I take back the "coherant" part, you are getting a little far afield my friend. Adam doesn't need me to defend him, but I find nothing in his post about John Stewart. Second, you are dead wrong on the Madison/Hamilton thing. Hamilton was the arch Federalist who favored something akin to the aristocracy. He could care less about the general wellfare. Madison was more allied with Jefferson in having a populist view, although they were split on giving too much power to the people, Madison was afraid of what an un-educated majority could accomplish, like they were doing in France. 

No one has said they don't like this country, just that it can be better. Is that un-patriotic? Demogogues from time immemorial have shouted "We are the greatest country in the world", then set about to wage war to prove it. 

I love this country. I fought under its flag. I've worked all over the world and was always happy to come home. But believe me, things can always be better.

LOL No it was not your computer. It was my inability to use mine properly.

Off topic but relevant in it's way:.

Why do some people post their comments in Headline 1 font?    If you notice,  it's always someone who dispises liberals.

Really you guys!   Why the big type?  Are you trying to give your remarks an importance that they don't otherwise have.  Small message - big font? 

In that case you could use a sky writer to spell out your message and it would still be a pointless, cowardly attack on liberals. 

Don't forget 

Big letters = small brain.  

Audrey, they are shouting.

Pogo, when I brought up John Stewart, I meant it because these days that is where people get their information. And Adam talking about the rich being rich while the poor is poor and how that is wrong is the same kind of rhetoric that is spouted from shows that are based on political satire. But I am sure you know that many people more often than not take that satire as fact.

I know what political views these men had. I was not writing about that. What I was writing about was how James Madison did not like people like Alexander Hamilton twisting his words. Look it up sometime, it is true. And by the way, Madison wanted to limit the power of the government. Limit I would think being the key word. But that is off topic.

Scene from Who's Afraid Of Virginia Wolfe:

George:  Stop braying, Martha.

Martha: I'm not braying! (she responds, braying)

Audrey, please don't set me up for failure. I  can actually see that bold type better. Wish everyone would use it. We could all bray at each other more forcefully.

RF - True, arms and ammunition on a military base is issued from a secured arms room when in use.

From my own experience in the military, the army has enough alcoholic NCOs and mentally ill officers to make you wonder how it can function. 

According to HLN, this major (a field grade officer and a shrink, yet) used personal guns and, presumably, ammo; which is allowed. Nothing I've yet heard indicates he was from a terrorist cell. The major's family did make a statement to the press, expressing sympathy and remorse.

 From my own experience in the military, the army has enough alcoholic NCOs and mentally ill officers to make you wonder how it can function.

Deja vu, Catpaw.  I have vivid memories of encountering some of the most screwed up people I've ever met during my eight years in the Air Force. One guy, whom I met at the NCO Leadership Academy in 1975, let everyone know he was a forceful proponent of euthanizing anyone who had a physical or mental handicap. Creepy!  He was absolutely unrepentant about it. I wondered how anyone so openly hostile to the handicapped could ever achieve NCO rank. He was a Security Police, carried a gun all the time.

The military is a little different now.  I've seen drastic changes in my career.  Gone are the days of getting drunk in the motor pool or at the NCO club during duty hours.  The army doesn't play that anymore.  We still have our mill of people who either should not be in or would not be able to do any other job as a civilian. Soldiers are allowed to have POWs (privately owned Weapons) but they must be registered with the post and some units require soldiers that live on post to leave them in the armory room. 

Logansdad, I was not quoting Jon Stewart, although I do find his humor refreshing and pertinent, I do not use him as source material. You have your views on the Constitution and I have mine. I do so get tired of the if-you-don't-like-it-leave-it rant, although in frustration I have urged Libertarian wags to seek Afghanistan as a residence if they want exceptionally limited government as a model. And as Pogo politely pointed out, you confused the two principle arguers in the Federalist Papers over the points of what government should or should not be about.

Growing up I never saw the vast chasm that separates the economic classes in the manner they are separated today. I believe it is one of the biggest reasons for such anger and hostility today. If you want to know why there are no jobs simply look at where all the money went. You mentioned the Wikipedia and here is a link to a graph utilizing data from the US census bureau.The graph clearly shows the bottom 80% getting left further and further behind by the top 5% of earners.

A startling similarity exists between the rise of the top 5% of earners and the rise of our prison population in America. Here are some graphs and figures to look at and digest with all the numbers taken from our government's Department of Justice data. You may or may not know that the United States incarcerates more people per capita than any other nation on the planet.

I never said anyone is entitled to another person's money. I do believe in having a government work to keep as fair and level a playing field as is humanly possible to promote opportunity for all citizens, not just those lucky enough to have been born into the American aristocracy. Your comments sound absolutely Victorian in nature, and reflect the attitude that only the landed gentry really should determine what is best for everyone. That is not and has never been what the American ideal represented to the world, however it is certainly closer to the reality we find today.  

Your headline HATE FROM THE LEFT AT AN ALL TIME HIGH AT TBC (tolerance???)  drew me in,

only too read that it  "... troubles me that we have people on these blogs that CLAIM they want Obamacare because its best for ALL Americans, yet they don't want Americans to know that Terrorist Cells exist in the US and that the FT HOOD SHOOTER was a terrorist

As a Vietnam era vet, I now enjoy the best medical treatment I could ask for,  I have never had to wait for an authorization for treatment from an insurance company for medication, tests or any other request of my primary doctor, and I think it would be great for America if everyone had the same government health care. 

You are wrong that it woud follow that I am unaware that there are terrorist cell's in the U.S. In fact I expect that the evidence will show this killer detested our 'wars' and sympathized with other terrorists.

Unlike you, who somehow find hate from the 'left' in health care for everyone, I think it would be honorable if you "tea parities" would admit that what troubles you is that 'Obamacare' would enact a reversal of the "natural order" of white supremacy

 Audrey, not all large fonts are used for the reason you suggest.  In my own case, I still haven't gotten my glasses prescription changed, and my eyes know it.  I strain to read many of these posts and comments, and frankly I appreciate the big fonts.  I use big fonts myself so I can see what I'm writing as well as what I'm reading.  Sometimes I forget, but not always.  Using "small" fonts (in the "size" choice while commenting) is great, but when the comment is printed, it's much smaller.  I'll never understand that. 

Some of the fonts used are so small, I just pass on reading whatever's there.  I've GOT to get new glasses.

Well you see Adam, you laid all of your cards on the table with your first comment. I could tell what type of person you were right away. Whereas you seem to have mistaken who I happen to be. You see, I am not so far right that I am an anarchist and want no government, or even hardly any at all. I just want the growth of our government to stop. As you and Pogo may one day learn, you are both actually wrong. But I can obviously not convince you that your lack of knowledge concerning Madison and Hamilton is laughable at best. Because all you two seem to do, is tell me what their political views are. And you are both even wrong concerning that. But if you will take a moment to read my post and digest what I had written, you would then see that I had not commented on their political views. I commented on Madison's hatred towards Hamilton because Hamilton was twisting the words in the Constitution to fit his needs. How you got from that one point that I had commented, or even cared, about their political views is astounding to me.

Also, you can link all of the graphs you want. I do not care who has how much money. Have you ever heard of the myth of success? Social Darwinism? The Protestant work ethic? You see, some of the people that are at the top, may have very well been born into that money. But I will bet you that most of them worked, and continue to work, for that money. They earned it. Do you understand the concept of earning? Why should the government "level the playing field?" Because you are poor? You attempt to act like you know me by my comments? Let me ask you a question, do you know what the symbol is that I use as my signature? It is not the symbol for the landed gentry. That is the crest for the 9th Cavalry Regiment. I did not grow up poor, nor did I grow up rich. But what I can tell you is, I never thought I was entitled to another persons wealth as you obviously think you are. 

Tell you what, since I am all kinds of broke, how about you work a few extra hours this week, and send me the money you get for your overtime. Since you want to share the wealth, share some of yours. As soon as you have a check ready to go, just hit me up and I will send you my address. I think it is time for you to get a "little skin in the game."

Or did you overlook the fact that your messiah and his wife are both millionaires? Oh Michelle is all heart, she worked for a non-profit, but her income was over 500k a year for working there. I guess you think the Obamas are landed gentry as well right? Or how about Princess Pelosi. Last I checked she has a couple of bucks in the bank. Do you despise her and her wealth as well? Or dare I say, the Kennedy clan. Well, they need their money because they have to buy planes to crash and cars to park underwater. And yes, I know they are dying off, and I shed a whole tear for them. Not really. I guess the Big O in Chicago doesn't deserve her billions. That is with a "b" by the way.

Demonize the rich because they have what you don't. And it is all their fault, it is not fair that you weren't born into royalty. So since you aren't rich, well by god they shouldn't be rich either.

You can attempt to break me down champ, but at the end of the day it is not Logansdad82 that is crying because the rich are rich. My parents have both worked their way up the food chain, and now in their golden years they are being considered wealthy because they do not live on 30k a year. My mother became a VP for her bank, and she started as a teller. My father is a manager for a propane company, their most successful one actually, and he started as a serviceman. Neither have any type of schooling past high school. But they are landed gentry.

Your own arrogant and misinformed comments destroyed your argument before it could even take flight. How many sympathizers do you think you will find with your attitude that you deserve something that belongs to another?

Again, I will be waiting for the notice from you on when my check is ready. Get some skin in the game champ.

 Alicen

That reason never occured to me.   Thanks for the heads up.   ;-)

Another post that makes me think "blah blah blah blah blah". [sarcasm] Let's use hate to complain about hate! That'll be effective! [/sarcasm]

So, Adam.

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