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motopoet - > MARK'S WORLD -> Hugo's baby steps are getting bigger
Hugo's baby steps are getting bigger

 

ExxonMobile and ConocoPhillips heve pulled their financial backing and resources for the heavy crude refinement programs in Venezuela in the face of the nationalization of the oil industry in that country and ceding majority ownership and control to the government. Hugo said he was taking charge of the fields no matter what happened relative to who stayed where or did what. It looks like the two oil giants see the writing on the wall more clearly than Hugo's supporters here in the states(because the Venezuelans have no say in anything any longer anyway)and have decided to cut their losses now. History has shown that dealing with such tidal government forces is a bad fiancial decision in the long run(another term of which short sighted socialist supporters in America have no concept) even though BP and ChevronTexaco have decided to stick it out. I guess we'll see how that works out for them a few years from now when they have dropped a wad of jack into the Venezuelan economy only to see Hugo take the lions share and leave them with an "It's MY country" deal when he is in total control of their investments.

He has now nationalized the telecommunications, telephone, banking and now, oil refining industy. It won't stop there to be sure. He is just getting started. Sound familiar? Can you say Nazi Germany, Iran under the ayatollahs Castro's Cuba? It's really nothing new in global business and politics. It's the way every dictator in history has started out. They use their charm to aquire leadership, which they use to aquire power which they use to attain their goals at the price of an oppressed people. They look like the hero until the people end up nothing more than inhabitants of a country in great distress and turmoil.

OK..Another minute here for all those who really have no idea of what it means to actually live in an oppressed society as they defend the actions of this madman in their quest to do nothing more than spit venom at Bush, who will leave office in 2008 no matter what happens while the Venezuelans are going to be lashed to Chavez who will remain in power indefinately(mark my words) no matter what the rank and file Venezuelan has to say...OK..All done?..Good

OK..Bush is making terrible decisions. I agree and have no qualms with saying it. He is not representin me at this time, but he isn't even in the same megalomaniac league as Chavez. Bush doesn't have the power to neationalize anything and anyone who understands the way the government knows that no president does. He can put the idea on the table, he can holler and jump up and down in support of it, but he cannot enact any such thing on his own. Even if he could, he is not a socialist and has no items or industries on the table for nationalization(although there is a bill pendidng to re-regulate railroads..a TERRIBLE idea, but Bush has nothing to do with it..that will ultimately be up to the people.

It's time to be realistic about these differences in what is happening in America as opposed to what is happening in Venezuela. I'm not saying we should invade Venezuela or even interfere with their policies, but since they do play a big part in global politics and finance, we should be keeping an eye on a dictator, no matter howpopular he seems to be, who could cause major problems in an already unstable region which would cause problems in an already unstable market(oil) simply to feed the ego of a self proclaimed savior.

 

OK...I'll open by giving all the people who defend socialism(I really DO wish you'd move to a socialist country if you think it's so good) and Hugo Chavez for no other reason than their hatred for Bush a minute to justify this megalomaniac dictator....OK, you all done? .. Good.
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Topics: oil, News, Politics, socialism, Hugo Chavez, venezuela
posted by motopoet on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 at 10:04 AM
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posted by dusty1215 on Jul 4, 2007 at 11:29 AM
Condeming alternative pov's in your post and labeling them in a negative connotation will really get the conversation moving won't it Motopoet..jeez.

Perhaps you just want the folks who support your views to comment..I refuse to bite.
posted by redkernhero on Jul 4, 2007 at 12:19 PM
Go Hugo! Whatever you do unless you have a US government actor directing you will be seen in the English only world as "Bad". Whatever you do, get your neighbors help, or you will sink into the US net of sanctions, that well know American tactic that is today's America's bull whip.
But maybe like Fidel, you can survive fifty years of US imposed poverty for your beliefs. Do not be fooled ExxonMobile and ConocoPhillips are America, not just part of America, they are the whole enchilada. But be warned, they will call you names, Hitler, Ayatollah, Fidelista to name a few because they know or think they know what Venezuelan need more than Venezuelans do.
It is your country, do with it what you and Venezuelans want, as for the free market, that is for those who want it. Unfortunately, fee marketeers are like religious evangelists, they always assume that one size fits all.
Free marketers believe in everyone earning their way, unless not doing so benefits them personally, but that is life .
posted by motopoet on Jul 4, 2007 at 12:30 PM
I really dont care who does or doesnt bite on any of my posts, Dusty. I don't write them to get bites. I write them to express my opinions. If you don't wish to comment don't. That being said, you DID bite! You just did what liberals always try to do. Deny they said or did anything as they say or do something. You got your opinion in there while refusing to bite. Close but no cigar!  Hey Red..I gave your minute twice in my post and still you defended him here! OK..I guess true equal time is needed. Is this a play for the liberals to try and re-enact the fairness doctrine?
posted by redkernhero on Jul 4, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Don,t be stupid, well I apologize I guess you can't help it. But I did expect you to delete my post and who cares? It seem you only want to hear what you think as your other post clearly demonstrate, but what the hell, you are still as much a free marketer as you are a free loader, depending on the situation.
posted by NancyII on Jul 4, 2007 at 01:11 PM
Free loader?  At least he's still working and not draining resources like SOME people we know.  Cal Trans sure bought a lemon that time.
posted by RoyTullis on Jul 4, 2007 at 02:26 PM
Bravo Nancy...I wish he would not use redkernhero. But he is using it only to give conservatives a bad name.  With his attitude he should use the name"bluekernlosers" ;o)
posted by dusty1215 on Jul 4, 2007 at 02:34 PM
Roy..its called satire..what RKH does, including his name..somehow most folks on this blog miss that. Are you offended by satire sir?
posted by NancyII on Jul 4, 2007 at 02:53 PM

Dusty, if we didn't know panfilo's history and MO I might agree it's satire.  However, with him it's just plain sarcasm and spite.  He says things to wound not even knowing he doesn't have that power.  Now, if you don't mind being called a prostitute or slut in the name of satire I guess that's ok.   Unfortunately, I have a long memory and am short on excusing Panfilo for his behavior.

The really sad thing is, he's intelligent and when he wants to can bring a lot to the table.  Again, unfortunately, he chooses to use his intelligence to play the fool and hide behind what you are now calling satire.

Apparently you haven't yet come into his line of sight when he's in one of his really foul moods but eventually he gets around to everyone.

You are on the money when you say a lot of people don't pick up on his "apparent" red-ism.  Those who know him also know that couldn't be farther from the truth.

We have a history.  Not a good one..but a history.

posted by dusty1215 on Jul 4, 2007 at 03:02 PM
I guess I am not aware of all of the history of the persona you name Nancy. I just choose to see it as satire. He has taken his shots at me on occasion, but I don't think he has been as nasty as those launched at me by others on the far right here. Everyone picks on someone here I swear to GOD. Doesn't make it right Nancy, its just part of life on b.com..sigh...
posted by RoyTullis on Jul 4, 2007 at 03:03 PM
Dusty.  I know satire and what Panfilo uses is NOT satire.  I use satire occasionally myself but it is unnecessary to verbally attack people and call them names. As Nancy says, wait until he gets around to you.  He will in time...
posted by NancyII on Jul 4, 2007 at 03:12 PM

Dusty..I'd hazard a guess that Roy, Curt,  and I are only original posters left  from back when it was just the Bakersfield Posting Board.  When it was collapsed because of the viciousness and hatred, I bowed out of the posting business in public.  I was a little late coming to this one..not by much, but nevertheless, this battle got so bad that Neocon Saviour(name at the time) and I declared a truce and agreed not to respond to each others posts.   Gradually it got back to where it is now..a quasi truce..at times.  I've tried the polite responses and the ignoring tactic but he always comes back sooner or later with a snide remark.

I deal with it for a while but even I have my limits as to what I'll put up with.  I'm easy going for the most part but I do have that "katie bar the door" side of me.  Right, wrong, or indifferent, I'll say what I think to him.  The bad thing is that newcomers here see it and think we're all like that.

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posted by NancyII on Jul 4, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Sorry Mark..we sort of high jacked your blog.
posted by dusty1215 on Jul 4, 2007 at 03:13 PM
Well, I guess I don't consider them personal attacks from him unless he names a blogger..then I agree Roy. I didn't mean to suggest you didn't recognize satire sir. Sorry.
posted by jfrancais on Jul 4, 2007 at 04:16 PM
I agree with Dusty. I think that for the most, RKH's blogs are satirical in nature. I've been grilled by him and fallen into his trap a couple of times.
posted by dusty1215 on Jul 4, 2007 at 04:22 PM
I also ignore him..or try to at least. If you don't, you then validate their words..we should never validate true hate-filled diatribes aimed at a specific person. No matter what side its on. Also..when people are so vicious in their personal attacks it says volumes about THEIR shortcomings.
posted by jfrancais on Jul 4, 2007 at 04:51 PM
I honestly am entertaining the idea of moving to a Socialist country. It's not as easy as one might imagine but if ever am afforded the opportunity, I will. I'm just waiting for my military obligation to end and for my immigration papers to go through and I'm gone.

Chavez policy is in response to the power of MNCs (ConocoPhilips, Exxon Mobile), IGOs (World Bank, IMF), and superpowers (US). There should always be an inherent distrust among nation-states to keep everyone in check (including Chavez).
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