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motopoet - > MARK'S WORLD -> OH, CANADA!
OH, CANADA!

NEWSFLASH!!! DATELINE CANADA!!!!!

Canadian Indians theaten to block CN Railroad mainline railroutes in protest of poverty, lack of education opportunity and poor healthcare!

HEY! Wait just a doggone minute! How is this possible? Canada is a socialist society. A Classless society(no pun intended) with nationalized industries and free universal healthcare! How can there possibly be a class of people left behind in such a progressive country boasting such an envied and utopian societal system? I'll tell you why..Socialism doesn't work. Free and universal health care is a sham, an illusion. There is no such thing as a classless society because there will always be the have's and the have not's. There will always be persons in power to subjugate those who are not. It has always been that way and it always will be and that won't change because the "feel good now" folks think it it should.

Canadians pay outrageously high taxes to fund all the "free" stuff they seem to enjoy and it still doesn't work the way it was intended and Canada doesn't have the criminally duplicitous, system abusing population America has. It doesn't have illegal immigration problems(THEY know what to do about that crap), they don't have the sheer population numbers of America and still the system is chaotic and uneven. Imagine the problems such a system would face here at home.

Socialism, as a rule, spurs laziness and lack of motivation. If you are never going to get ahead why try so hard? If the people are all supposed to be so equal, let the work output be the same way. Why work any harder than the other guy? Go put in your eight, go back to your home that looks like everyone elses and use what little you have left after taxes to drink the Moosehead you bought at the state liquor store. Then when you get sick, hurt or addicted to the Moosehead, you can can get in line at the local healthcare store, hope they decide you actually need to be seen and your condition warrants the dispatch of a doctor and if it does THEN you can put your name on the list to actually SEE a doctor. Great system, Huh? And theirs has been in place for quite some time.

All the supporters of universal healthcare complain(and rightly so)about the ineptitude of every single government program on the books but they want this same government running their healthcare? They can't even run the programs that have clear cut guidelines right now and they want to turn the medical care of a sick child over to this bloated, self serving bueracracy?

My former son-in-law came here from Denmark, another bastion of socisalistic prominence, in 1999. He payed over 50%..FIFTY PERCENT in income taxes to fund programs he never used, and in some cases, wasn't even eligible to use! Where, when you turn eighteen you go to university, trade school or the military. Those are your choices. Not going to work at McDonalds or the railroad, just those three items. They have universal free healthcare there too and it is no more reliable than a Yugo. He has no desire to ever return to Denmark.

What about the educational problems faced in that classless society in Canada? I guess their "no child left behind" program is no better off than ours. Maybe Ted Kennedy was largely responsible for theirs too. Like all government programs it is a failure that can be cited, honestly, as a reason not to pursue such a program, and cited, erroneously, as a shining example of how we should seek government intervention for public problems. I choose the former.

Classless societies, free healthcare and equal education for all. All are fantasies. It just doesn't work. Is the system we have here, now, perfect? Hell no! It's a mess, but at least it doesn't cost another quarter of our income for us to be no better off, and likely, worse off, and we get to, for the most part, choose our own doctors!

So next time you get all warm and fuzzy about these socialist examples, why don't you try looking at the whole picture and do it with a bit more objectivity before telling me how wonderful it all is.

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posted by motopoet on Wednesday, July 4, 2007 at 10:16 AM
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posted by redkernhero on Jul 4, 2007 at 12:41 PM
Oh and shame on these evil Canadians for mistreating their Indians, we on the other hand treat them Much better. Why we even let some of them own Casinos for the proper ransom to start and tribute to stay in business.
You can't stand the truth can you, like mother like son.
posted by jfrancais on Jul 4, 2007 at 04:14 PM
The reservations (called reserves in Canada) of "First Nations" people are each their own sovereign entity. The federal government offers some services but are very limited. They can, however, move off the reserve and are entitled to Canadian benefits and services(i.e. health care). BTW they are also allowed to live and work in the US under some past treaty agreements. The Reserves are in shambles for the most part but there are a few that have natural resources (oil, diamonds, potash, etc.) and the bands receives royalties from it. Hobemma, Alberta has a reserve where each member of the band(tribe) receive about $250,000 upon turning 18, however there are many instances where the members never see the money due to gambling, drinking, drugs, and loan sharking. The educational opportunities are very limited on a rez because again, the provincial gov't have no control over reserve education. It is common for natives to leave the res for High School due to the lack of educational opportunities.
Canada's health care system has its problems but again it is way better than what we have here in the US for average income folks. I've seen both firsthand and beleive Canada's wins hands down. I agree that Canadians don't quite have the protestant work ethic that we have here but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. The socialist ideals in Canada are not because of a dismissal of classes but rather an acknowledgment.  Since there are haves and have-nots, the idea is to guaranty minimum standards (like universal health care) to all of its members.
posted by adampayne on Jul 4, 2007 at 04:59 PM
Normally, I read you posts with interest regardless of divergent view points. This one one is really badly constructed and is probably on this blog today because Sicko opened this week. Your comments on "classless" or "socialist" societies only show your utter ignorance of societies in other parts of the world.

The reason many industrialized countries have much better benefits than Americans, work on average many hours less than Americans, are healthier and live longer on average than Americans is because people in other countries are actually politically invested in choosing the governments. They have hope and so they vote. Here, we can't get 50% of registered voters to turn out for most non-presidential elections. Do you you think people believe anything ever changes to their benefit here from their government?

I find refreshing that a country  would offer three choices of paid productive training to contribute and live. What do we offer the 30% to 40% of students who  dropout in this country?  What options do these young people have? There is no career path for the poverty stricken here. Hell, there is no career path for anyone other than the extremely wealthy and their families in this country.  You keep railing at phantom socialist evils while we all wonder what illness will put the family on the brink of bankruptcy?
posted by anglo1 on Jul 4, 2007 at 05:24 PM

Is that why 77% of the Iraqi voters participated.  I think people vote for many reasons [or don't] and I don't think hope is in the top 5. Wonder what the % based on income of voters in the U.S.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

posted by motopoet on Jul 5, 2007 at 08:50 PM
Actually it was posted because there was an article in the paper about it. Guess nobody caught that. You can say what you like about my construction but the fact is that socialism is a high price to pay for "free" stuff. There's no such thing as a free lunch(or doctor), no matter where it happens to be served.
posted by jfrancais on Jul 5, 2007 at 10:59 PM
...okay. Raise taxes or better yet, cut defense spending (i.e. bring the troops home and get rid of the overpaid defense contractors) and give me universal health care. It's definitely not free; but worth it. I assumed you read about it in an article (as opposed to actually being on the reserve with "Canadian Indians" experiencing it firsthand) due to your interpretation of the events. Btw, your construction was fine by me, Moto. I could follow just fine. Why do you say that UHC is a "sham" and "illusion"? Are you refering to it existing here or just in general?
posted by blognroll on Jul 9, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Actually, while Michael Moore practically worships Canada, those of us who grew up in Canada, particularly in Western Canada, understand that it is not better.  

In many ways it is much worse.  For example, you have to wait forever to get a medical appointment, even to get attention for some the most urgent of medical situations.   And because doctors make much more money here, there is less incentive to draw good doctors up North. 

The tide is gradually turning up in Canada ever since a conservative was elected as Prime Minister, but they've got a long way to go for things to improve. 

I'm not saying the system in the U.S. is perfect,  It is replete with problems, but don't look to Canada for solutions.  You will find very few, if any.  They do put out some great rock n roll, however. 
posted by myxlnt1 on Jul 9, 2007 at 01:19 AM
Yeah,we have a more equal system,The last doctors appt. I had, The receceptionst  said, Do you want a 10.15 or 10.30  or 10.45 appointment,I took the 10.15 , When Igot the bill it was for  105.00, You do the math,,
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