Nonsense.  She came in second.  Nothing shameful in that--she picked the wrong campaign team, who picked the wrong campaign strategy, and it cost her the nomination.  She came in a respectable second in votes, delegates, and states won under the rules she agreed to.

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At this point any over-the-top outrage delivered her way (and not by me; I feel it's counterproductive at best) is triggered by the over-the-top statements of her defeated campaign crew. 

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The foofurah over the assassination comment misses the point, I think, although it was an incredibly moronic thing to say in a year when assassination is a very real threat to the front-runner.   She's comparing apples and oranges to go back to 1968 or 1992 and say that she'd have a chance if it were one of those years.  It's not June 1968, or June 1992, it's June 2008 and she's got no chance of overcoming the 200-delegate lead Obama has at this point.   

She'd have a chance if Obama were subject to the Dred Scot decision, but that ain't happening either.

The ruling today that no more than half the Florida and Michigan delegations will count is yet another blow to the deceased equine her campaign has turned into, as is the re-dismissal of her lawsuit in Florida.

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The media has rightly moved on to the Obama-vs-Mc894 campaign--even the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy which ignores Mc894's lobbying connections and "senior moments."

Well..She has done so many moronic things and made so many moronic statements in his campaign that it gets hard to separate the wheat from the chaff. I heard so many liberals whine about the popular vote in the last two elections I was tempted to buy them some cheese to go along with it. If the media and polls are to be believed, she had more votes, in number, than Obama and that is what the popular vote means. Remember, like you said after the last two presidentials. So that doesn't carry the same weight in primaries? Hmmm..guess she's not the only one utilizing double standards.

I must have missed the cleverness behind the Mc894 comment, but that's OK. I am certain I would have missed the clever part of it. You can call him what you like, but I will be calling him "Mr. President" come January. I don't care much for that either, but whaddayagonnado?

For what it's worth, Clinton's forces are marching in an organized demonstration to the rules committee meeting Saturday.  Obama's specifically requested that his supporters *NOT* do that.

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He's Mark Twain's prototypical definition of an "ethical man"--"a Christian holding four aces." 

What Clinton's looking for is Ambrose Bierce's definition of a "miracle"--"an act or event out of the order of nature and unaccountable, as beating a normal hand of four kings and an ace with four aces and a king.”

Mark, if you call McCain "Mister President" come January, won't that make for a great deal of confusion when Obama's inaugurated?

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Again, the arbiter of "popular votes" is RealClearPolitics.  They show Obama ahead unless you want to pull the kind of shenanigans Republicans generally do.

"I believe she is a socialist who would like to see everyone(with the exception of her and her family)in America in the same boat."
You cannot really believe Hillary or Bill Clinton is a socialist. Please give us a break out here who once thought you might have had a thought process you were trying to share with us rather than some angry rants without fact one.

"He is a political hack of stupendous proportions, just like all the rest of the Beltway Buttholes. He has taken an elitist approach to his campaign in more ways than one, but one is all I will focus on in this piece and that one thing is his demanding that anything HE decides is off limits should actually be off limits."
What are you talking about? What elitist approach has Barack Obama taken during this entire campaign process?  Your comments are so bizarre and irrational they defy description. If you think a man born to a white mother and black father with middle class backgrounds is coming at you from an elitist perspective you might need a new dictionary. McCain and his Beer Baroness wife with a six million dollar plus tax earnings statement are what most of us consider elites in this world, but don't let me rain on your parade. Just because you call a fish a bird doesn't mean it flies.  

The curious thing is that *BOTH* Clinton *AND* Obama have more votes than Mc894, even allowing for the fact that they split them almost evenly.

Moto, McCain finished 894th out of 899 in his class at the Naval Academy. In the latest Gallup poll, he leads Obama 46%-42%.

Hillary is not through yet. She's taking it to the convention, and there's still a ways to go before then. Wait and see what happens. 

His "elitist approach" is seen in the fact that he would rather see a Harvard graduate in the White House than a guy who finished near the bottom of his class.  I'm with him in that hope.

JBS, at RealClearPolitics Obama's ahead (slightly) on the average of polls. Gallup typically skews Republican.

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She won't be taking it to the convention.  June 4.

I can understand that Random, considering how, uh, er,  well our last Naval Academy-graduate president did.

She said yesterday that she's taking it to the convention come hell or high water. She won't quit, and no one can force her to.

Sorry Mark.  You had me at "hello," but you lost me at  "I do not like Hillary Clinton."

So I'll just stay out of this one.

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Come on.  Don't you think the 1st gentleman aspect of Hillary Clinton is at least worthy of the comedy factor?  The world won't crumble so why not laugh?

Adam, I'm curious.  Was your only reason for posting just to attack?   The others posted comments in disagreement but were civil.  I'm puzzled at your reaction.

Maybelline..there's a lot to laugh about where politics or politicians are concerned..that's for sure.  First Gentleman is one of them.  :-)

And the JUNE  comment is really off~ Clinton had already secured the nomination,his opponent had to hope of catching up...so what was her point?

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No, Nancy. My response was one of disappointment over the continual misrepresentation of what the two Democratic candidates stand for.  To call these two candidates pejorative names without one cogent fact or shred of argumentative evidence is dishonest. I find many of Mark's posts interesting reading, but this was just another angry rant from someone who hasn't bothered to do any homework on the issues. Also, I did not attack Mark personally, but only his agrument process and statements. If people are going to continually post uninformed opinions I'm going to challenge them on this blog site.

When people on the left post political issue material on this site there are usually facts and links of evidence and statistical data in support of the argument or position. Calling a candidate an idiot or "Beltway Butthole" without any reason other than anger is childish and divisive where there can be no middle ground or compromise. My guess is that Mark knew what type of response he was going to get by posting his rant.    

Hill's RFK assassination comment was a subconcious slip. She's desperate and wants a miracle.

Call Hillary a socialist, but McCain would sell off the American flag star by star and stripe by stripe.  He'd turn his back on his crippled wife for a richer, younger woman, or at least he did once.  McCain would be a socialist in a second if he thought it would help him in the polls.  He has no compass and just drifts on the hot air of lobbyists and (as Mark so colorfully says) "beltway buttholes".  His biggest problem right now is that he has to pander to the 20% that make up the far right while not going so far out that he loses all the independant support.

McCain would be a socialist in a second if he thought it would help him in the polls

For years McCain has been a vocal supporter of  the Yucca Mountain nuclear repository.

Two days ago he gave a speech in Colorado against the Yucca Mountain repository.

Guess where he was campaigning yesterday?

That's right, Nevada. An important state for him to win and where the citizens of the state are also against the Yucca Mountain repository.

http://www.politickernv.com...

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Don't jump the gun, Chico.  Tomorrow, probably.

Say what you like, but BOTH the Clintons have made comments in the past that have led me to believe that they would like to see a classless society where everyone gives to everyone else so that no one has a foot up on anyone else. That is socialism. Obamas remark about people cradling their Bibles and guns(or however he put it) was a straight up act of condescention(can I say that here?)and that is an elitist attitude.. You don't like me calling a politician a political hack? And what, pray tell, name did I call Hillary? Don't bag on me for namecalling when I did no such thing. I don't see you bagging RF and the rest of the lefties here for the names THEY call republicans..Again with the liberal double standards. Kinda like Obama wanting to say what HE likes, but not wanting anyone to say anything about him. MY family isn't out stumping for me and making themslevs fodder for public scrutiny and if they were, well the mudslinging goes with the terriroy. I don't hear anone else whining about it.

Jonburns, RF and all the rest of the academic wonders..where did YOU finish in your class at Harvard, Yale or B.C.? What were you doing to serve your country while John McCain was bunked at the Hanoi Hilton? I have already said I am not a big fan of McCain and his policies and ideas, but I respect what he has accomplished. Graduating the Naval Academy or any fine institution of higher learning anywhere in your class in nothing to be scoffed at. So go ahead, make fun of McCain for not being the Valedictorian at Annapolis, then dog me for speaking MY mind on what I see and hear others say and do. I am starting to like the fact that you all think your opinions are somehow more valid than mine! And we'll see about the popular votes(I dont waste my time digging up website numbers, I just go by what the media has to say)come the election..My e-mail is still empty.

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64.  Things change.

Me, Mark?  I finished near the top of my class in a school roughly equivalent to Mc894's in academic standing.  I don't think his not being valedictorian is relevant (there's only one per class) but finishing in the bottom one percent is significant.  If you think it's elitist for me to want someone smarter than average to run the world's most complicated country, so be it.

Which part of his wartime experience more qualified him for the presidency--was it losing aircraft or surrendering to the enemy?  It would be entirely fair of me to label McCain as a socialist due to his long-term membership in the country's largest socialist organization.   More important, he's George W. Bush writ small:  a guy who would've washed out long ago if his hadn't been for who his father was, who never *WAS* that impressive intellectually, and who fundamentally either misunderstands or worse mischaracterizes the fiasco in Iraq and the reasons why the economy is floundering--and wants to do more of the same.

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I don't think my opinion is more valid than yours--I just think you're wrong and based on bad information.  As for your "going with what the media says," you're cherry-picking your numbers no less than I am.  The difference is that I know the source of my numbers, and you don't know the ultimate derivation of yours.

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Random

I got straight A's at BC with the exception of two classes.  Sewing and orientation.  What's with this pissing contest anyway?  Should we e-mail each other our IQ's.  

My IQ  taken in kindergarten.   The principal called my mother in to talk to her about it.   Yeah it warranted a personal call from the principal.  So what!

Almost everyone on these blogs is above average intelligence.   Chico , Nancy, Mark, Cat, Sam, Sage, Murphy, Ron, and 99% of everyone else.  Some of these people are way above average intelligence.  

But, as I said before, IQ means squat. 

Some of the dumbest people in history were very intelligent, on paper.

That's OK, I never took sewing.  That's why I always get the nurse to close for me.

What's with the pissing contest is that Mark asked.  And some of the dumbest people in America will be voting for the guy who finished nearly last in his class.  Know what?  I'd take almost any of the bloggers on this site ahead of Mc894.

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I'm sure you realize that Mark (and Rush, and the whole gang) don't give two figs about how Senator Clinton was treated.  They just want the weaker of the two candidates to be nominated in November, and if they can't have that, they want the stronger candidate hamstrung.  Pretending to support Senator Clinton, even to the extent of committing voter fraud to cross over and vote for her, is their way of messing with us.

I'm well aware that very intelligent people do dumb things.  Senator Clinton, for example, hired Mark Penn. 

Of course I know that they don't give a tinkers damn that Hillary was vilified by Chris Matthews and scorned by Keith Olberman.

However their crocodile tears are preferable to your constant reminders that she's coming in second due to campaign flaws (actually media bias).

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Have you ever considered that a "dummy" like McCain managed to survive captivity while smarter men died?  There's all kinds of intelligence Random.

The same way he "survived" Annapolis.  His dad was an admiral.

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We've had eight years of "my daddy will get me out of trouble if I screw up enough." 

-May 1951: Kennedy is caught cheating on an exam and leaves Harvard College. He enlists in the Army and serves for the next 16 months and later re-enrolls at Harvard.

I believe he goes into surgery today,BTW.

How did he do when he re-enrolled, Audrey?  Graduated in the bottom 1% of his class, perhaps?

How'd he do at the Hague Academy?  Does Shrub even know what that is?  I wish he would have a close look at the Hague, personally.

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He's *IN* surgery right now, sage. 

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What is Barack Obama's IQ?

Barack Obama - IQ Score Range: 130 - 140. Are you smarter than Obama? Take this IQ Test and find out.

What Is Hillary Clinton's IQ?

Hillary Clinton - IQ Score 140. Valid and confirmed IQ score

John Edwards IQ Score 124.

Mike Gravel IQ Score Range: 115 - 122.

Dennis Kucinich - IQ Score: 116 - 126.

Bill Richardson - IQ Score Range: 124 - 133

Thanks RF<BBC World News was unclear.

Nya nya nya nya nya!  I'm smarter than all of them!  Not more mature, just smarter.

Smarter than me for sure.  Smarter than Dad???????

Same here, Catherine.  I mean about the "not more mature" bit.

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Audrey, some reason why you don't list Obama's "official" score on the S/B?  Like yours, it's from Kindergarten.

One a my favorite tombstones. (re 44)

Now don't go makin somethin outa that epitaph re POTUS RF and other Dems..... I just like it. No matter who wins!

(isn't it sad the PC caveats a feller has ta make nowadays BTW?)

I think so, Mom.  We talked about this before.  They deduct 2 points for every stain on your t-shirt.  Were it not for that, I'm sure Dad would've beaten me.  But he didn't, so nya nya nya nya nya!

Obama's confirmed score was not given.  Do you have a site for it?

Trying to run that down at the moment, which is why I didn't give it.  I can't find any cite for the 130-140 generally given.

Mom, you have to pay $10.00 to take that IQ test.  That's crazy.

Rumor is that the Obama campaign is asking that it not be released 'cuz it's too high. ;)

If you pay the fee, you flunked the test?

Cat

During the 1950's they used to give every kid an IQ test when they started school.

I think they found out that IQ results weren't as useful as they thought.