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Independent Woman
I read today that women, in increasing numbers, no longer need men to have a full and satisfying life. Three cheers for the women! I am serious. I understand that feeling(from the other side of the fence)and have a great amount of respect for those who decide to go it alone. BUT...If they choose to go it alone, it should be on thier own. If a woman makes the choice from the beginning of her adulthood to do that, fine. If a woman decides that her marriage is isn't working and wants to bail for her own reasons and not reasons her man can control or change, she should have to sign away her rights to anything that is his, including his money. Sure, split the stuff you accumulated and the equity in the house, but there should be no alimony involved and no going after anything she had no hand in aquiring. In such cases, "irreconcilable differences" should not be allowed. There should have to be a specific reason she is leaving and one that can be proven and corroborated. If there are children involved, child support should be fair, not the raping it is by the court system we have today. I found it interesting that the fedaral government said my kids only needed $3,500 a year(each, my standard deduction)), but the DA Child Support division thinks it took $7,800 a year(each) to support them(I now have custody and receive NOTHING from their mother)! If there are no reasons other than "she needs her space to pursue her individuality" involved, alimony should be taken off the table, no matter how long the couple was together. It's not the guys fault a woman decides she wants something different. As a man who paid $500 a month(on top of the $650 Ch. Sup.)to a woman who never worked or made any attempt to contribute to the home before she decided I was too demanding for asking her to do things like get up before noon, wash the clothes while I worked two jobs(I worked part time for a small Railroad signal company in the mid 90s)to feed her voracious appetite for spending(her food bill wasn't cheap either!), and make dinner after I had worked a 16 hour day, I know from whence I speak!
I wonder why it is that when a woman wants to stay single or bocome single she is exploring her indepenence, but when a man wants the same thing, he is being a selfish, insensitive butthead. I, myself, enjoy for the most part, the confines of a relationship(as my three marriages attest), but some guys aren't that way. I have heard guys I know who chose never to marry or become involved in a commited relationship called all sorts of unflattering names! I just think they are exercising good judgement and being honest with themselves and those around them. Women who make the same decision are seen as strong, independent and forward thinking, and I couldn't agree more, just make it the same for the guys who make that decision. As for guys who decide they are not cut out for relationships after they have become involved in one, they too are ostracized. They are slapped with some societal moniker associating them with smelly parts of the human anatomy and they certainly will receive no monetary compensation from a partner who may or may not earn more than they do, and they don't deserve it. I just think the playing field should be level when it is a woman who makes that decision. You go, you go without compensation or aid. Life is an expensive proposition and it should notbe paid for by someone you left for selfish reasons. 14 comments from 9 users
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posted by
adampayne
on Jan 18, 2007 at 06:43 PM
Sounds to me like you ought to give up on the marriage institution, which is what most younger women seem to be doing when Mr. Right doesn't show up on time. posted by
johnburnssucks
on Jan 18, 2007 at 06:54 PM
I know a woman who's 37 and been married three times. I'm 48 and have never been married. "That's not fair!" she wailed. Doug Stone sang a song in the early 1990s which went, "I'd be better off in a pine box..." Well, women had a different version of that song for me: "We'd be better off if you were in a pine box..." [Sigh]. posted by
freethinker
on Jan 18, 2007 at 09:07 PM
Marriage is supposed to be equal and I do agree that divorce should be equal too. But from my parents divorce, my dad made 3x what my mom did, and she had custody of me, and he tried EVERYTHING in his power not to pay a single cent. Is that fair? Not in my eyes. And all the men that fathered babies with my friends do the same thing. Not that I'm saying ALL men do this, but it is very common. I just married too young and didn't know what I was doing.. I think people jump into marriage too fast not knowing what end is up and expecting too much from the other person.. we should all learn to chill out before headin' down the aisle. posted by
NancyII
on Jan 18, 2007 at 09:20 PM
posted by
NancyII
on Jan 18, 2007 at 09:50 PM
posted by
adampayne
on Jan 19, 2007 at 06:58 AM
posted by
NancyII
on Jan 19, 2007 at 07:09 AM
posted by
anonymous
on Jan 19, 2007 at 08:13 AM
Personally I'm glad more woman aren't looking for marriage! What can be better than a woman that has needs to tend to and wants no commitment!
posted by
randomfactor
on Jan 19, 2007 at 08:26 AM
posted by
anonymous
on Jan 19, 2007 at 09:52 AM
Moto, I agree with most of what you said. But you want to know why men are considered jerks when they no longer want the relationship; I think Freethinker's right. My second husband never had balls enough to tell me he wanted out after 9 years of marriage; he just treated me like dirt, and cheated on me, in an effort to drive me out (if it walks and talks like a JERK....). And yes, as far as I was concerned, he was a smelly anatomical part. Because I was a damned good wife to him, and we'd lived together for 4 years before we got married. If he wasn't cut out for a relationship, he never should have married me in the first place. I've known men who are totally upfront at the first or second date. "I don't want marriage, I don't want a relationship, I just want a friend with fringe benefits." If a woman walks into that situation with her eyes wide open, she has no right to get her fur up when he decides he's had enough. But by the same token, that man had better not start getting all nasty and jealous when he finds out she's dating men other than him. And by the way, you'll be pleased to know that I never went after a dime from my ex. And I left him with the house and damned near everything in it. Call me stupid! posted by
anonymous
on Jan 19, 2007 at 12:05 PM
Anon, I agree with you men should be up front. I am and It has surely cost me a 2nd or 3rd date but at least I can look myself in the mirror because I am not a liar. However, I would have to say that if you lived with him for 4 years prior to the marriage you should have found out then that he was spineless. I don't condone that he was cheating or treating you bad to drive you away that's just being a coward and a POS.
posted by
Sooz58
on Jan 19, 2007 at 12:30 PM
Fair seems to be the missing word here overall. I think as the times change we will see more equal treatment of men & women as marriages and even partnerships break up. When two people decide to go their separate ways they often become unreasonable, childlike, full of blame, guilt resentment all kinds of unflattering things. Then they go get themselves a vampire attorney who in turn wants his/her money and the result is no more than a tragedy. Truth? It sickens me to see two fairly decent people lose everything because they decided to use an attorney for a divorce. Why they couldn't settle the issues honestly and fairly, well...it's too bad. The ones who get hurt are the kids, if they have any. Suddenly they are looking at a lower standard of living because the parents can no longer provide the lifestyle to which they've become accustomed, have to move and worst of all...see their parents at their absolute worst. Next, the one whose probably done all the work ends up doing more work so the other one can figure out how to work *sigh*. It seems as if there could be a logical breakdown of actual effert/time spent doing whatever chore which could be a guide to help create a fair monetary settlement. If either side of the marriage wants to move on they ought not be punished for it though. You know the saying, "If you love someone very much you must set them free..." that doesnt mean kick them to the curb and it doesnt mean pay their way through the rest of their life. Free is free and there's no reason we have to pay them beyond what is needed for them to become self sufficient enough to move on. If my husband or wife wanted to move on and had been taking care of the kids, the house...etc with all his/her time and needed some re-training or career training to be free I think it would be my responsibility to assist them in their venture. Why? Face it we agreed on the original daily life chores a certain way so it was both our choice. If one of us had the career and the other took care of everything else, the everything else person would need to become the career person...a big change. I think It is a matter of being fair. Back to your topic: The idea of an Independent Woman has been around for a long time. This is nothing new. But a truly independent woman is independent for the sake of being independent not as a reaction to a man. Even where safety was a concern some savvy women in history made statements as to how an independent woman would operate where manageing her life is concerned. For instance, in the mid 1800's quote: Woman must not depend upon the protection of man, but must be taught to protect herself. Susan B Anthony, Born February 15, 1820 So, basically life is what we make it. Even though the actions or inactions of certain individuals in our lives contributed to our present situation...it is only us who can make it the life we want it to be. All talked out for now in the NW. posted by
anonymous
on Jan 19, 2007 at 03:32 PM
Independence is more than being single. I've always been quite independent, even while I was married.
posted by
motopoet
on Jan 19, 2007 at 05:09 PM
Thanx for the thoughtful comments everyone! I guess I should have made it clear that my current marriage, while not perfect, is at least, a REAL marriage, unlike my two prior attempts. In both cases I was the one who said "enough". I am glad nobody took it as a woman bashing, because that was certainly not my intent. Merely a comment on equality. I will agree that thins are beginning to become more equal, but it has taken many years to overcome societys stigma of male dominance, and therefore, financial responsibility. In the case of MY custody, I told my ex I wanted nothing from her, but had I demanded it in court, I doubt I'd have received anything. I never groused about paying child support, I just found the discrepancy between deduction and support curious. Deadbeat Dad's make it tough on those of us who are willing to accept the responsibility of our kids, but we need to remember that there are plenty of deadbeat MOM'S out there too. Where men not having the courage to say what they want to say and do what needs to be done, well, that is another "equality" thing. I personally know women who won't do what needs to be done, and it's usually not the same reason most men do that. In most men it is simply the inablitiy to deal with the situation and/or the inability or refusal to talk about their feelings, good or bad. With the women I know, it is more a matter of convenience and practicality. The guy has alot of money and has no problem giving them access to it. The women have no intention of being honest with the guys about it and go do whatever(or whomever)they like. I guess the guy is as much to blame in that situation for either being stupid or blind..or both! I will say that as we Americans age as a culture, we are beginning to see things more evenly, but old habits die hard and a lot of good men end up paying the price for it.
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