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noholdsbarred - > No holds barred -> What comes from Vegas should stay in Vegas
What comes from Vegas should stay in Vegas
Has Chad Vegas lost his mind?

How else do you explain the vituperative radio tantrums he’s thrown since his “In God We Trust” proposal surfaced at the Kern High School District trustees meeting on Monday.

I mean, OK, so he wants to ram religion down the throats of high school kids. I get that. I disagree with him, but I get it. 

And, no, I do not for one minute buy his or Bakersfield City Councilwoman Jacquie Sullivan’s argument that this is about patriotism. There are many other things they could do that wouldn’t be nearly as divisive if they truly wanted to promote patriotism or civic learning.

Besides, this is all part of a  national campaign by the American Family Association (http://www.afa.net/), which makes no bones about its belief that God needs a greater presence in the classroom. The group provides the posters — and even the talking points.

Among other things, their website advises: “A word of wisdom to the wise: The posting of the national motto should always reflect a patriotic viewpoint, rather than a religious one. This approach will greatly increase your ability to be successful.”

Let’s call a spade a spade, this is about religion.

Anyway, I’m more interested in the afterglow of that meeting and Vegas’ erratic comments.

Vegas went on the Inga Barks show (KERN Newstalk 1410) on Wednesday and slammed his fellow trustees and this newspaper (go to bakersfield.com to hear it) as God-hating liberals whose agenda includes turning Kern County into a mini-Communist China or Russia. Wow! I guess we should be glad he didn’t call us something really bad — like “French”!

When I talked to Vegas he qualified his statements, saying he had not intended to include fellow trustees, nor, in general, people opposed to his proposal.  “Many of them absolutely believe in God, they said so in their statements.” (Apparently, for Vegas, that’s a prerequisite to having a valid opinion on this issue.)

So, aside from the editorial board, who exactly are these God-hating pinkos?
“The fringe left,” Vegas said.

Who is that?

“The lunatic left.”

Got names?

“I don’t want to name them all,” he said. But he noted one group, The World Can’t Wait, and said they “yell and are hostile.” Actually, because of a mix-up in the speaker cards, they didn’t even get up to speak at Monday’s meeting, according to Jared Thomas, organizer for the local chapter.

I asked Vegas if he felt his comments on the Barks show were unfair, if they further polarized an already incendiary issue.

Nope.

Ok then, back to the original question: Is Vegas off his rocker? 

Heck no.

This is a textbook example of demagoguery, using buzzwords (“atheists,” “communist” and the dreaded “liberal”) to stir up fear and create a bogeyman so people will rally to his cause.

At the same time, his name-calling automatically puts anyone opposed to his proposal on the defensive. To engage in the debate, they must first establish their credentials per his standards.

State for the record that you a) believe in God, b) love this country, and c) are not now, nor have ever been, a member of the Communist party.

The country’s been down this road before and it wasn’t a bright moment in our history.

It’s important to remember that Vegas is a pastor and, as such, a practiced orator. Oral persuasion is a key part of his vocation.

His outburst on Barks’ show was no slip of the tongue. Indeed, when I spoke with him, he revved up again, saying this far-left faction wants a “communistic America.” They are the extremists, he said, “acting as if they are pro-America, and they aren’t.”

Meanwhile, his position is not extreme, he said, only an attempt to uphold the law of the land: “That’s not extreme, that’s normal.”

Maybe to him. But there is no California law — yet — mandating the nation’s motto be put on public facilities.

Vegas likes to “bottom line” things, so here’s mine:

His proposal should be kicked to the curb as pointless and divisive, and so should he.

When his seat is up in 2008, let’s find someone who can help lead a diverse and growing high school district that deserves the brightest minds focused on education, not social engineering.


THE QUOTE:
“If these trustees, and the newspaper is gonna reveal their real agenda, their bottom line agenda is they’re a group of liberal secular atheists who hate God, who are not patriotic. They do not love this country. They would prefer that we become much more like a communist China or Russia, bottom line.”
— Chad Vegas on the Inga Barks show, KERN Newstalk 1410 on Wednesday.

Lois Henry’s column appears Wednesdays and Sundays. Comment at people.bakersfield.com
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posted by freethinker on Oct 5, 2007 at 10:16 PM
God and Religion are actually two different things.. God isn't about Religion, God is about love and Him knowing us.. Religion is man made so they can make up their own rules, (do what they want to  do) tweak the Bible to their liking and do it in God's name. There's unfortunately a lot of people doing this and it's really giving God a bad name. Not saying I agree or disagree because I know I trust God, but i actually just took down my church sticker off my truck today.. not out of shame by ANY means but I'd rather not announce it in words but in my actions..
posted by noholdsbarred on Oct 5, 2007 at 09:43 PM

color9:

I will admit my language is colorful. But when Vegas began this discussion as an all or nothing proposal, not even giving teachers the OPTION of putting up these posters, to me, it's forced.

posted by possummomma on Oct 5, 2007 at 09:36 PM

I'm not entirely sure he had a mind to begin with (in regards to the first post).

I hope he's reading this.  I hope he realizes that he's just alienated himself from a good many parents, citizens, and voters.   I'm going to start using his name as a word  to define religious snafus. 

Vegas -verb: 1) to run for an office in which you pledge to serve the people but are clearly only planning on serving yourself.   2) to attempt to ignore the establishment clause.  3) to define patriotism by one's allegiance to a higher power.  4) to attempt to systematically encourage evangelism in places where it does not belong.

Used in a sentence: 

"I was going to vote no on that issue, but now I think I'll Vegas."

"He totally Vegased the secular nature of the public school classroom."

Vegas -adj: 1) describing an act of dubious origins in which one has put the desires of self above the needs of all your constituents.

"His political strategy was vegas."

Vegas - noun: 1) an act of dubious origins in which one has put the desires of self above the needs of all your constituents.

"He pulled a Vegas."

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 5, 2007 at 08:43 PM

I know it sounds incredible, but it's true.

Chad has written elsewhere that state governments shouldn't be required to respect the Bill of Rights.  The reason for arguing such a position is to ram religion down people's throats by law -- the specific argument is that the 14th Amendment wasn't meant to enforce the Bill of Rights upon the states (wrong), leaving states free to legally establish official religions and force people by law to live by the rules of the official government religion.

I know it sounds incredible.  But I can document it in the movement's own words if necessary.

posted by theColorNine on Oct 5, 2007 at 08:21 PM

 

OOC, Lois, why do you say "...he wants to ram religion down the throats of high school kids?"  That phrase, "ram [whatever] down our throats" conjures up a violent, beat-them-into-submission image in my mind.   Phrases like this also make me think of paranoia and pandemonium; people getting hysterical about what might happen next.

I have mentioned before that I am not in favor of Vegas's poster proposal, but I don't believe he's trying to "ram" anything down anyone's *throats.*  Describing his proposal as such is an exaggeration and a bit over the top.  His actions aren't that much of an all-out assault; it's more like he's trying to get his (and Jacquie Sullivan's) foot in the door with the hope of perhaps adding more religious reference stuff later. 

posted by adampayne on Oct 5, 2007 at 08:16 PM
Lois, thanks for the great blog topic post! It is definitely time to move past the Chad and Jacquie show to real issues confronting the kids in Kern County public high schools with the growing achievement disparity between those few campuses located near affluence and the many that are surrounded by poverty.    
posted by TomW on Oct 5, 2007 at 07:02 PM
You're uniquely qualified to intervene.  Glad to see ya.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 5, 2007 at 07:00 PM

I rarely announce my blogging vacations, but this topic demanded some intervention.  ;-)

Looks like time to revisit this topic:

http://people.bakersfield.c...

posted by TomW on Oct 5, 2007 at 06:57 PM
H4F, I'm surprised you didn't get in on this earlier.  You bring up some excellent points.  I think what people don't realize is that Vegas' tirade is so without any meaning that it can and will be deployed against any person who doesn't support this wacky group's ideology all the way through the eventual purge of all but the "right" people.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 5, 2007 at 06:28 PM

BTW, Lois, you put the following very well:

"When his seat is up in 2008, let’s find someone who can help lead a diverse and growing high school district that deserves the brightest minds focused on education, not social engineering."

That's exactly what it is: social engineering.  They'll crucify Hillary Clinton for saying "it takes a village to raise a child" -- but all that changes when that village is a latter-day Puritan colony.

Then, the village can have all the power it wants to raise your children, whether you like it or not.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Oct 5, 2007 at 06:11 PM

Ah, this topic warrants my attention.  :-)

Unless one lives in the insular world of Religious Right media -- which includes but isn't limited to the world of talk radio -- most people, including conservatives and Republicans, truly have no idea just how far out and dangerous the movement to which Chad Vegas belongs has become.

It is a true nascent fascism, a dangerous religious nationalism that gauges one's patriotism, your legitimacy as an American citizen -- indeed, your legitimacy as a human being -- by whether or not you are of the "proper" religious and political affiliation.

In the eyes of this cult -- and it really, truly is a political cult -- a prerequisite to coming to Christ is embracing a thoroughly freedom-hating, militant subsection of the Republican Party.  If you don't embrace their politics to the letter, to the very last letter, you cannot legitimately call yourself a true American or a true Christian.

I'd wager that most people who consider themselves conservatives have little clue just how fanatical and deranged a movement is hiding behind the banner of "conservative."  It is a major factor in the schism in local GOP politics -- between the moderate if resented "Abernathy Machine" and the nascent fascism of the Ashburn / "Bakersfield Republican Assembly" wing.

Mainstream Bakersfield, including mainstream conservative Bakersfield, has just gotten a taste, a sample earful, of the true depths of hate that is growing within a certain faction of the GOP.  And judging by the comments that I've seen, most of you are shocked and appalled.

Good.

Bakersfield, I believe, has just been awakened.  It's past time.

 

posted by sagefever on Oct 5, 2007 at 05:59 PM
Bravo!!!!
posted by samheath on Oct 5, 2007 at 05:24 PM
Dogmatism about religion and politics has no place in the schools. I will be dogmatic on that issue.
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