In Other Catholic Crimes in the past week...

Michigan: The Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests (SNAP) charges that the Archdiocese of Detroit knew fully well that Father Joseph Skelton was a convicted child molester and allowed his ordination in the Philippines anyway. In 1988 Skelton was convicted of molesting a boy in his room at the Detroit seminary. The Archdiocese of Washington recently settled a lawsuit brought by a man who says that Skelton and Father George Stallings tag-teamed him as a boy

Georgia: The Catholic Diocese of Savannah agrees to pay $4M settlement to man molested by Father Wayland Brown.
California: Pastor Reuben Mitchell charged with two counts molesting pre-teen girls.
Spain: Catholic priest arrested in immigration scam in which over 100 foreigners paid $15K each to marry a Spaniard and gain residency.
Quebec: Father John Duarte arrested for molesting boys at Haitian mission he founded.
Poland: Father Norbert Jedrusinski arrested for bank robbery.
Australia: Archbishop Denis Hart tells local priests to disregard a letter written to several parishes by a woman warning about sexual abuses even though the imprisoned priest she claims raped her at seven years old has confessed to molesting dozens of children.

Ray, thank you for bringing those abominations to our attention. Like same-sex marriage and the attacks on traditional marriage supporters, they deserve condemnation for breaking God's laws.

Speaking of breaking, let's break out the 21-gun salutes in celebration and the chants of "Yes on 1!" ...

Now maybe folks will think twice about messing with marriage and try this formula for size when they go back to the drawing board once again:

You're welcome.  They just keep coming.

Gotta admit, it's a sad day for gay rights in America today.  But if you think that Maine means we're going to give up on having equality in  this country, you have another thing coming.  Civil rights have always been opposed by the majority, and they have always been won by the minority over time.  With patience and hard work, this day will soon become just "one of those obstacles" on the path to freedom for all of us.

I, personally, have not quit, not in this conservative town.  And if Bakersfield hasn't bashed the civil libertarian out of me, you must know that millions like me will press on nationwide.  Gloat today if you must, but do not imagine that this is the last word or the last battle. 

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."  Gandhi

wlwedd, certainly the day may come for you and Ray, and we'll respect that if it does. But no matter what happens, just know that our enemy is not you two or your fellow gays, but Satan, who seeks to destroy the goodness of God's creations.

My heart goes out to every gay person on this day - I cannot imagine having a basic right trampled on by a bunch of religious nuts just because I am the way God made me. 

That was no "victory," pax. And you need to find something constructive to do.

Sometimes I'm a little slow, pax. Just what did this vote "win?"  Oh, that's right....Satan got defeated in Maine. Thanks for clearing that up.

 wlwedd, certainly the day may come for you and Ray, and we'll respect that if it does.

Do you mean this "we" ------------>  "WE DID IT!"

Seems counter-intuitive.

Gee.......isn't it wonderful that the religious ones win again!  NOT........

I guess it's time to change a word in the pledge of allegiance...........guess the last word should be "some".......not "all"..........it's rather obvious that too many people in this country do NOT want justice for everyone..........what a truly sad day for a country that says it wants to spread democracy to other countries.......can't even do it in this country yet.........and , and, SATAN???  oh, puuuleeeaaaaazzzzzeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!  what a kindergarten idea!! 

1 man + 1 woman = 50% divorce rate.........maybe higher..........yeah!!   that's some numbers we can believe in! 

1 gay + 1 gay = no scary numbers to report.......hmmmmmmm........

Hmm..odd you should say that.  The gay couple down the street from me seems to have split up.  And they had a wedding ceremony.

 The gay couple down the street from me seems to have split up

Good point Nancy. The nice thing about getting married is that you can also get a divorce. When you shack up, then decide to split the sheets, you don't have the force of law to assist in that split.  Yeah, I do understand that even with a legal divorce, the outcome can be quite unsatisfying for one, the other or both. But legal divorce still serves a useful purpose and you can't take advantage of it if you aren't allowed to marry.

My heart goes out to every gay person on this day - I cannot imagine having a basic right trampled on by a bunch of religious nuts just because I am the way God made me.

hmmm  i wonder how many gays...what percentage...believe in god?   most i know are atheists

I didn't say they were legally married Ray.  I have no way of knowing that.  They come home from their ceremony in tux and full bridal dress with veil one day when we were out in the yard.  That was almost 3 years ago so I don't know if marriage was legal.  I was thinking not at the time but that they may have found a minister to marry them.

They had "Just married" on the windows of their vehicle and something like "Mrs and Mrs."  Now the one seems to be living there alone and the one vehicle is gone.  I don't know them so it's not something I could just ask.

Irregardless of all the 'tolerant' progressive posts here, majorit of the country still feels the way we do = Homosexuality is not a Race, Gender or Age descrimination.  It is a perverted CHOICE.  Don't force this upon us.  Unlike Race, Gender and Age desciminations, homosexuality will NEVER be accepted because it is rooted from perversion - not from birth or genetics as some biased researchers would like to spew. 

When my johnny grows up, the last thing I'm hoping for is for my johnny to settle down and mary jack.  Get the point?

 most i know are atheists

Most of the gays I know are "believe in God" but aren't especially active in church. I call myself "technically atheist" but my heart really isn't in it. I had a really nice religious experience for about 25 years and I'm fairly sure I'd have stuck with it if I hadn't been shunned out of my church. At the time that happened I'd never met another gay person in my life but I felt I was lying if I didn't admit it, so I confided in my pastor and from that point people simply wouldn't associate with me any more.  It was an aweful experience. I still miss it; get sentimental about it sometime; sit around and hum the old hymns.

 I didn't say they were legally married Ray.

Oh. I misunderstood. 

DEANS70......i have no idea why you are so pissed off when you are in a country that was FOUNDED on religious principles

Yes, casooner90.......we get your "hate"............loud and clear!!  ............and that "last thing" you're NOT hoping for, could very well come to pass !!

It is a perverted CHOICE.

Let me see; I'll make the choice to be unable to serve my country, to be discriminated against, to lose the love of my family and friends...sooner, that is about the dumbest thing you have ever written and that is saying a lot.

Ray, too bad you aren't here.  The Garden is openly welcoming to gays.  When I attended there they all tended to sit in the middle together and there was a goodly number.  No one seemd to shun anyone there.

not from birth or genetics as some biased researchers would like to spew. 

Those researchers know a hell of a lot more about it than *YOU* do.

"Perverted"?  Like celibacy?

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Homosexuality is not a Race, Gender or Age descrimination. 

Neither is religion.  OK to discriminate against Christians then?   Or Republicans? 

learnem...............do those "religious principles" include that scary SATAN guy too??.......just askin...

Homosexuality is not a Race, Gender or Age descrimination.  It is a perverted CHOICE.

I didn't choose it.  And I dare say you didn't choose to be straight.  It may not be genetic but it certainly does feel like I was born gay. And according to recent science, homosexuality may not be genetic, but it clearly has some relationship to male birth order. The evidence now is that hormone "mishaps" or mother-generated antibodies have an impart on latter born male children that probably impacts their sexual orientation during the mother's pregnancy. 

You're simply applying a moral conclusion on an issue you clearly haven't read the research on.

Wouldn't make any difference if it *WERE* a choice.  Discrimination is discrimination.

But Ray's right.  I didn't *CHOOSE* to be straight.  It's almost certainly genetic at least in part--despite the ignorant objections of folks who can't understand  biological research even if they *DID* read it.  Probably epigenetic as well.

learnem...............do those "religious principles" include that scary SATAN guy too??.......just askin...

Check the Constitution--they don't even include that imaginary "god" guy.

Who's the Creator mentioned in the Constitution then, may I ask?

 casooner90:

You talk a big game- but what are you doing about the alleged perversion you perceive me to be living by choice?

Aren't you the least bit concerned that my partner and I have children and grandchildren that may also be raised in this perverse environment? Why aren't you calling CPS, the police or the local media to have us thrown in jail for abusing our kids by raising them with the same "perverse" beliefs you say we choose? Doesn't it just make you furious to know that we can (and do) adopt more children?

Are you doing anything about your concerns?

Or are you just an internet coward?

Don't bother answering- it's a rhetorical question.

Who's the Creator mentioned in the Constitution then, may I ask?

You can ask if you don't mind looking stupid, Pax.  Go ahead.

Just like clockwork, the gays already have started spewing their venom toward the Catholic Church for thwarting them once again: http://www.americanpapist.c...

Here's Thomas Peters' guilty confession: My favorite part of last night’s election coverage was watching Rachel Maddow’s demeanor go from exuberant, to smug, to infuriated over the results of the marriage referendum in Maine. And then she seemed to lose interest.

Creator

According to THIS, there's no mention of a "creator" in the Constitution.

By the way, Happy Birthday to Laura Bush.

pax- that 's because the "catholic church" still remains in the lead for deaths, mass murders, genocide, tortures, bullying, discrimination and hate. It's not "spewing" when it's true. Your "god" sucks.

And yes, we are sharing that opinion with our kids and grandkids.

My favorite part of last night’s election coverage was watching Rachel Maddow’s demeanor go from exuberant, to smug, to infuriated over the results of the marriage referendum in Maine.

And that was his favorite part, huh? Watching tax payers getting stripped of their civil rights is now "fun". What was yours, Pax?

According to THIS, there's no mention of a "creator" in the Constitution.

Of course there isn't.  And for good reason.  The gentlemen who wrote it had had a bellyful of people like Pax.

Neither do the Articles of Confederation--which *DO* go out of their way to point out that religion is a cause of enmity between states and that it's not to be allowed to do so *HERE*.

Smart fellers. 

Your "god" sucks.

Only in the way that a vacuum does--by its absense of substance. 

And all the tolerant gay left comes out to play...  Just because I disagree, I'm labled as a 'hater'.  Remember, over 50% of the population is still with me - protection of marriage between a man and a woman.  Sucks to be you.

The fact of the matter is even if the gay marriage does pass some day, the unnatural (perverted) act will never be accepted by the coservatives.   Let's face it (I doubt you want to), same sex copulation will never result in creation of a life.  Therefore, this is an unnatural act.  When you stick things in orafice meant to be a one way check valve with no reproductive means, this is an unnatural act.  Do you really need a wacked biased researcher to tell you that two dudes / chicks shouldn't be copulating?  Or are you just looking for a justification for your perverted life?  You want someone to say what you're doing is okay, but hate someone for expressing their side - tolerant? 

casooner90- You are a seriously confused man if you had the notion that all of us gays are "tolerant". I'm every bit as "tolerant" of haters like you as you are for my perverted life. See? we're more alike than you thought.

And you never answered my question- so I guess we can all assume you're nothing but the internet coward I pegged you to be earlier.

By the way- we don't need someone like you to tell us what we're doing is ok. You're not that important.

Jesus knew there would be folks who would not listen to him or the caretakers of his earthly kingdom, let alone folks like Casooner. So his advice was what we read in Matt. 18-17 -- "And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican."

the "catholic church" still remains in the lead for deaths, mass murders, genocide, tortures, bullying, discrimination and hate.

So true. I can't tell you how many martyrs for the faith there are who were subjected to those crimes at the hands of others who have a problem with God's commandments.

miles, I'm letting you fester in your own perversion.  Just remember to not ask for help when you catch something communicable.  Cry for sympathy for those with HIV is pathetic - if one does not participate in perverted act, the chance of catching that horrible disease is minimal.  I read something like 80% - 90% of HIV patients are either gay or drug users.  Remaining 10% - 20% are victims of people having relationship with gay / drug user or is an absolute unfortunate bi-stander needing a blood transfusion for medical reasons.  Oh, here's a common sense solution - stop doing it!

Lastly, what redeeming value do homosexuals bring to our society?  And, when will GLA, GLBA, GLBTA stop expanding to other forms of sexual deviances?  When will bestiality be added?  When will NAMBLA be added?  I'm not the one to set moral boundaries, but give me a break. 

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What redeeming value does a homosexuals have?  Wow did god die and put casooner in charge! Let me tell you as I have said before my brother join the army my brother was gay, my brother came back in a coffin,  Yes he's life meant something, and he did not die of aids.

So I hope all the haters end up with gays in their familys.

C'mon, man.  Stop the violence.

What are you trying to prove?

So I hope all the haters end up with gays in their familys.

Most already have them.  That idiot "quiverful" family, the Duggars, is almost certain (based on genetic probabilities) to have at least one.

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Just remember to not ask for help when you catch something communicable.

Then you don't bother us if you get swine flu. 

pax- that 's because the "catholic church" still remains in the lead for deaths, mass murders, genocide, tortures, bullying, discrimination and hate. It's not "spewing" when it's true. Your "god" sucks.

And yes, we are sharing that opinion with our kids and grandkids.

well Miles...its seems like a majority of the country believes that your lifestyle sucks....no pun intended.

history is riddled with examples of religion gone arye....you gotta remember though, the belief that the world was flat was widely accepted.  people were put to death for believing otherwise.....people also didnt take baths for months at a time due to personal beliefs.  Heck, when people were sick, we used to bleed them out.

the point is Miles...no one is perfect.  I understand someone attacked your lifestyle....remember though...your lifestyle is a minority lifestyle, that is looked down upon by a majority of people in this nation.  maybe because this nation was founded on religious principles has something to do with that.

Founded on religious principles like slavery?

Slaves, obey your master- Colossians 3:22

Nothing like the perfect good book to get advice on life (and national policy).

All those runaway slaves and people on the Underground Railroad were disobeying God.

y ou can ask if you don't mind looking stupid, Pax.  Go ahead.

I, on the other hand, have no need of confession for I am pure as the driven.

now he'll start the offensive because he's been caught in a lie

Lastly, what redeeming value do homosexuals bring to our society?

Not any more or less than the next guy. I could pose that same question about paraplegics, people on welfare, illegal immigrants--the list is endless. In my life experiences I have met some very intelligent, productive, emotionally stable people who contribute a great deal to society who happen to be homosexual. On the flip side, I have run across some who should be taken out and shot.

I could say the same about paraplegics, people on welfare, illegal immigrants--the list is endless. Point is, we're talking about people without the labels and scarlet letters. But one cannot see a particular group, culture, minority, etc. as ordinary people with more in common than contrary if we choose to make them "different from us."

With the possible exception of gender inequality, social institutions are closer to being united in exclusions based on sexual orientation than any other criterion. 

What constitutes perversion, a contract of marriage, a prevalence of HIV, compromises of lifestyle to assimilate and whatever else is particular among homos is something they will eventually have to work out for themselves. That won't happen if we "normal" and "moral" people deny them the means to do so.  

Jesus !

"maybe because this nation was founded on religious principles has something to do with that."

Posted by a guy who claims to watch our teenagers play basketball and, at the same time,  gets paid to  to play with computer fonts.

--virgil

Founded on religious principles like slavery?

Slaves, obey your master- Colossians 3:22

Nothing like the perfect good book to get advice on life (and national policy).

All those runaway slaves and people on the Underground Railroad were disobeying God.

So Jfran, i guess the tribes in Africa are at fault too, for enslaving members of other tribes?  or maybe the long-heralded American Indians for doing the same?

or maybe the Egyptians for enslaving the Jews?

the point is....the list is much much longer of those that used slaves, compared to those that didn't...the history of human existence is RIDDLED with it.  There are many many things written in the bible that i strongly  disagree with...but i take them with a grain of salt...humanity wasn't exposed to half of the things we are aware of today...so, in my book...2000 years ago and beyond....they get a pass for their behavior.

you must also remember..if we did come from animals...i wonder what the adjustment period is from behaving like an animal, and behaving like a human being?  50 generations?  200?  when?