Sam

I think we are in near total agreement on the immigration issue.

Supporting the illegals and the needy. Is to oppose the status quo. It is to end the misuse of humanity. To provide for more than a job. But a job that respects humanity.

Would you allow the sick into a hospital that is near collapse. Or would you treat the sick outside, Build a shelter from the weather in a area that was safe.

The wage situation in America is deteriorating. Unemployment is going up. Slum lords are raping the illegal's families. Workers are being abused. This is not a safe environment for the illegal and it's family.

The constant cry from the illegal isn't we come to pick your lettuce. Rather it is, we come because it is easier to succeed in America.

When the methods to gain success is to disobey our laws. To ignore our heritage and expectations for standards of living. Then Americans must enforce the rule of law.

Reinforcing the rule of law has nothing to do with racism. It is abiding by the standards America has set for itself. It is obeying the basic tenets of capitalism.

It is a mandate from our constitution and heritage.

Yeah, how dare the rest of the council not give a definitive answer on the issue like Couch did.

What......he left before the party started? That reminds me of the kids in high school who, when they didn't like someone, would tell somebody else that person was talkin' $#I^ about 'em.

What a freakin' coward, and what a silly proposal that offers nothing to the problem of illegal immigration. Does anybody seriously think that suddenly illegals will hang out at the Latin Market or Manny's Seafood instead of the Mercado Latino or Manuel's Mariscos?

How about the council start working on real problems like freeways that don't stop in the middle of town, or wreck causing setups near the East Hills Mall.

Yeah, this is an issue of symbolism allright.........http://i6.photobucket.com/a...>

Ms Shiver supports the idea of the KKK and the white supmacy movement. She does not support the Republic which our founding fathers started over 200 yrs ago. She just tries to justify her hatred of anyone who is not like her.

If I make a citizens arrest on a Illegal immigrant. Am I a racist.

Is the only requirement for racism, to insist on the obedience to the law, by everyone?

Is it unfair to insist on good citizenship for those who wish to be a citizen.

Should all those who wish to live in America, be allowed without question.

How about 1940's era Nazi guard from Dachau prison.

I have seen no legitimate reason for the current state of illegal immigration in America.

The only explanation is that Americans are bad. We are racist. America is a horrible place. We are ungodly. We are a miserable excuse for mankind.

Tell me why we should allow lawlessness?

Make me understand. Don't call me names. Tell me how I wish harm on the illegal.

Tell me how your cause helps the plight of honest hard working legal immigrants.

What information do you have their status as illegal????? Is it due to them not speaking english? Is it due to the color of their skin...how do you know what another perrson status is. Also, if you attempt to arrest someone who turns out to be a citizen...are you ready for the lawsuit that will be filed to take everything you own and for dening their civil rights?

"How about 1940's era Nazi guard from Dachau prison." only followed the law of germany like so many good german christians...who were law abiding citizens....

Also...in your zeal to arrest someone who breaks the law...are going going to start arresting people who speed, fail to stop at a stop sign, who dont follow every law in the US? Where does it end?

I am for protecting are boards...what I dont like is people seeing people who are hispanic and automaticly assuming they are illgeal due to hearing them speak spanish.

who do you know they are all illegal? and what stats do you have to prove they are the reason for crime, over crowd schools and medical facilites...also, did you know for each $1 used by undocument they generate $29 dollars back into the community?

BTW..we do have a large hispanic pop here in MA and Boston has a majority of ethnic over white w/in the city limites. Chelsea where I live is made up of a large hispanic pop.

SF you are purposely avoiding the problem.

You are denying there are illegals. Even while they stand in your face and admit to being illegal.

I have yet to address the question of identification. I will go on to that discussion after you give reason for lawlessness.

Address the problem of illegals that we both know exists. Setting up a straw man for others to throw darts at is avoiding the question.. Take a stand. What is your opinion of lawlessness.

Lawlessness by both the illegal and the illegal employer. What is your solution for a problem that we both know exists.

How do you pretend to help those illegals that we both know are being abused. Their humanity worthless in a farm labor camp on Comanche Drive.

There is one certainty that I will insist that you obey. The solution is not to call me racist.

SF is in Boston area. He does not see the near 40% unemployment of the Valley farm Communities for 6 months out of the year. He believes the illegal does jobs Americans won't do. He believes the illegal works 14 hour days. He believes the illegal works 7 days a week 365 days a year. He doesn't understand that even a full time hard working citizen will qualify for welfare, because of the poor pay offered by the farm industry.. He believes illegals don't commit crimes. He doesn't believe there are murder warrants out for near one hundred illegals for just the LA County area alone.

That's what he believes. He could know the truth if he looked for it. TBC publishes un-employment statistic monthly. Those are truths. Those truths are in conflict with his beliefs. So he looks the other way and calls names.

"who do you know they are all illegal? and what stats do you have to prove they are the reason for crime, over crowd schools and medical facilites...also, did you know for each $1 used by undocument they generate $29 dollars back into the community?"

Anyone see any inconsistancy in that statement?

Martha it is supposed to be:

A hand up.. Not a hand out..

The American tax payer is subsidizing every employee that makes farm labor wages. At ten dollars a hour. Everyone will qualify for some type of welfare. Medical care through Medicare at a minimum.

The taxpayer is subsidizing the sweat and blood that the employer is drawing his wealth from..

The only solution for stopping this employer subsidy, is to insist on a living wage.

If we continue to flood the market with excess illegal employees. A living wage will never be achieved.

No part of capitalism claims a farmer should play 3 rounds of golf a week. No part of capitalism states that every farmer should dwell in a castle. No part of capitalism allows for the employer to have the taxpayer subsidize their employees wage so that the employer can be unjustly rewarded.

Capitalism does state that the land is worth what it will produce. If the land can not pay it's weight. The value of the land must be reduced. Not the value of mankind. Not the value of humanity.

You can not quench the thirst of a dieing man, by dragging him into the quicksand. It is better that you help your self out. Then lead him to water.

The plight of the American working wage. Is akin to quicksand. We must help our self. We must save ourself before we reach out to give a hand. It is inhuman to reach out and drag a man down.

Capitalism will always fail in the presence of criminality.

That is a basic tenet of capitalism. It is a tenet that must be obeyed.

Martha says:

deserve to live in America in freedom just as you do.

TK SAYS:

No they don't.  Nations exist.  Laws exist.   Xanadu is a movie.

I have traveled to many places around the world. I made sure that wherever I went. I was documented. It isn't all that difficult to follow the rules. To obey the law.

"If I make a citizens arrest on a Illegal immigrant. Am I a racist." you definitely are, but than you don't have to make an arrest to b prove your racist credentials, you do it on this blog everyday.

As for Marylee her racist credential are unquestioned, and the Californian’s support of her racist views is equally well known.

Super Dave Couch is another Couch is a very intelligent and effective Republican hose boy who until recently war was kept under wraps working under cover for the Abernathy group. Like all republicans in Red Kern and Bakersfield, Couch is well raw that they are sinking as a group so he is going to distinguish himself and separate himself from the sinking path, by calling on the old Casa Blanca line, “I am shocked that there are illegal immigrants in Bakersfield” in order to ingratiate himself and become Abernathy’s number one boy. But Couch is no slouch, Super Dave will ride this horse until someone stops him or he stumbles, which in racist Bakersfield and in his abundantly racist Northwest ward,  is unlikely to happen.

As usual the substantial racist Republican crowd in Bakersfield will continue to make hay over their discovery and like super Dave whose overnight concern became acerbated by a bad gardening job at this northwest home by illegal immigrant gardener , other will follow in his footsteps once the Minutemouse mentality is full aroused in Bakersfield.

But what the hell, this is America, if Couch Marylee and the Californian’s editorial staff along with Super Dave want to hate legal or illegal “aliens” especially Hispanic or Mexican , it  is their constitutional right.

In the next few month’s Couch will have the same cabal of Republican idiots on the Council marching lockstep behind him. Weir, the rookie Abernathy protégé will be the first, followed by Zack the quack Scrivner and legal alien from a friendly planet  Harold Hanson . God’s envoy to Bakersfield Jacque Sullivan will also come into the fold, once she receives permission from God to light the cross at Super Dave’s firs Northwest rally to be held at Raul Rojas front lawn. Benham will like stick to her guns until she is promised another landmark project in her ward while Irma Carson will probably follow having to play defense to guard her minuscule turf as usual

Nah folks these are not racists in the true sense of the word, they are even more disgusting , they are racists of opportunity. In reality this “alien” bashing was something whose time had come, and the only unsettled question was who was going to be Baker fields Lou Dobbs and Super Dave, having been cut out from his usual position of power and leadership on the Bakersfield City Council by a legal alien , was the logical choice.

So now no more complaining  about potholes or a failed park system  or that white elephant swim park or even Couch free park , aliens are what we need to pursue. Incidentally, Chief Rector, it is time to sharpen up your Department shooting skills. Remember if you shoot an alien, they don’t sue if they survive and if they do not  your rubber stamp investigate committee knows what to do. You will be praised  and Super Dave will lead the cheers, it will not  be too challenging either just shoot them on the front lawns in Northwest Bakersfield or any of their new construction projects. It is a win, win situation you will get praise for Bakersfield alien hating community and the Californian and may a new “alien hunting grant” from Homeland Security.