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rightthinking - > Right Thinking -> Why not tax Twinkie eaters instead?
Why not tax Twinkie eaters instead?

My recent column on smokers and California's ongoing harassment of them garnered a variety of reader responses ranging from "Your columns reek" to "Your columns are the equivalent of journalistic car wrecks."

Most of the responses were not so succinct. But each expressed outrage over my stand that government efforts throughout California to ban smoking in public parks -- one of the last places outside their own homes where smokers may indulge their habit -- is a violation of personal freedom.

Let me stipulate, again, that I deplore smoking and am thankful there are few in my family, social or professional circles who smoke.

That being said, the real issues here are the ordinances levied by local, state and federal governing bodies on behaviors they deem undesirable and the knee-jerk support of absolutely any such ordinance or sin tax against Big Tobacco.

The knee-jerkers must just adore the latest volley, this one coming out of both houses of Congress to fund kids' health care.

Early last month, Sen. Ted Kennedy announced a proposal to increase the federal cigarette tax from 39 cents to a dollar per pack -- that's a 156 percent increase -- to fund the State Children's Health Insurance program.

Considering the rampant obesity among America's children, one might think a tax against Ding Dongs and Twinkies would make more sense, but such a proposal might strike too close to home for the good senator.

The House version of the bill is a whopper, too, adding 45 cents in taxes for an increase of 115 percent.

And you cigar smokers? Forget about it. You guys (and a few gals I know) don't even inhale, yet you can expect to pay about $1 more for each premium stogie you smoke.

It's all good, though, because smokers are bad and deserve to bear the brunt of funding health care for poor children. Right?

Wrong, according to the National Center for Policy Analysis, which reports that sin taxes on cigarettes and alcohol "disproportionately burden the poor" who tend to spend more of their incomes on their sins than higher-income earners do.

The NCPA found that high school dropouts who smoke, for example, spend three to four times as much of their income on tobacco products as professionals who smoke.

Which means "the burden of the proposed cigarette tax hike on the lowest-earning 20 percent of households is 37 times heavier than it would be if the government raised the money with the federal income tax," according to the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan group.

So, instead of merely punishing naughty smokers, the proposed tax will hurt the poor and, ironically enough, create a health care system that's dependent on smokers continuing to smoke.

The nonsmoking readers I heard from last week told me they have zero tolerance for smokers, even those puffing away in a park, away from the madding crowds, under a wide-open sky.

And if they don't like it, one reader said, it's their own fault.

"If they (smokers) didn't keep keeling over from lung cancer and emphysema, maybe they'd be a bigger voting bloc in California city councils," she wrote.

True. But when they're gone, who will be left to pick up health-care tax tab? Which sinners will be next?

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posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Aug 25, 2007 at 11:06 AM
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posted by robbwillis on Aug 25, 2007 at 12:17 PM

If taxes on cigarettes and alcohol disproportionately burden the poor, maybe there should be a discount on the price for them so they can afford the tax. Better yet, there should be a government program to provide free unfiltered Lucky Strikes and single malt Glenlivet to families of four or more making less than $20,000 a year. In a utopian society, everyone would be paid overtime to chainsmoke and swill shots.  

 

posted by noholdsbarred on Aug 25, 2007 at 01:10 PM

Marylee,

Gee I wonder who you meant when you said you knew a few ladies who enjoyed a cigar now and then?!

Larry loved the column, he couldn't agree more!

posted by sagefever on Aug 25, 2007 at 01:18 PM
"a tax against Ding Dongs and Twinkies would make more sense, but such a proposal might strike too close to home for the good senator. "   I quit reading right here..just can not help yourself can you? A tax on self righteousness would drive you in to the poor house.
posted by robbwillis on Aug 25, 2007 at 01:30 PM
LOL!
posted by rightthinking on Aug 25, 2007 at 04:00 PM

Lois, if you were thinking I was thinking of YOU you are CORRECT. Included among your many talents is your ability to puff those big, gnarly stogies. I've always admired it.

Please give my regards to Larry, clearly a man of keen insight and superior intelligence.

posted by tkozy on Aug 25, 2007 at 04:19 PM

 

Nice post Robb. But we still disagree on the stock market.. LOL

posted by randomfactor on Aug 25, 2007 at 04:36 PM
The fact that tobacco and alcohol are legal although ultimately lethal, and marijuana is illegal although shown to be much less harmful, amounts to a massive government subsidy for tobacco and alcohol users.  Why *SHOULDN'T* they be taxed higher for counterbalancing government programs?
posted by robbwillis on Aug 25, 2007 at 04:54 PM
Double LOL back at you tkozy.
posted by courious on Aug 25, 2007 at 05:25 PM
THE proper thing to do, if worried about peoples health...... shut down on growing tobbaco and  selling sweets...or better yet, stop growing sugar beets and sugar cane!    THat would be stoping the problem at the roots.   lol
posted by sagefever on Aug 25, 2007 at 05:33 PM
I have not smoked in years, but that pack of Lucky strikes is looking real good about now. And that scotch.
posted by johnburnssucks on Aug 25, 2007 at 05:41 PM

The obesity epidemic wasn't caused by Twinkies. Twinkies were around 40 years ago and there weren't nearly as many fatties as there are today. Lack of exercise has a lot to do with it, and obese children can qualify for disability benefits. Don't think that more than a few parents see this as a way of generating extra income.

 

posted by courious on Aug 25, 2007 at 06:09 PM
Yes john,  these people  have emotional problems....   their familys were used to telling them to eat,  moms cooking long and hard at  the wood burning stove. Baking pies and ham   and homemade biscuts. They were the choice wifes way back when...... everyone worked hard, walked to school.   These traditionions  of eating were past down to generations...  Now it is fast food but !     Just trying to feed their familys........ 
posted by DonEnebo on Aug 25, 2007 at 09:15 PM
As a retired pharmacist, I must say that anything that reduces the amount people smoke is worth while.  While working, we would see countless numbers of patients wheezing, coughing, and perhaps hungry, but they have a pack of smokes.  Welfare patients seem to be the worst.  One must remember that smoking not only affects the respiratory system, but also increases the incidence of cataracts, bladder cancer, kidney cancer and certainly causes early onset wrinkled faces and mouths.  And talk about the breath and teeth.    Also, if you can't breath you can't exercise.
Have you ever sat behind a smoker at a ball game or auto race?  It drifts into your face and is ugly.  You can smell them a mile away.  More taxes, less smoking whoever you are, I say.  Gramps Don
posted by mattloch on Aug 26, 2007 at 09:59 AM

Wrong, according to the National Center for Policy Analysis, which reports that sin taxes on cigarettes and alcohol "disproportionately burden the poor" who tend to spend more of their incomes on their sins than higher-income earners do.

The NCPA found that high school dropouts who smoke, for example, spend three to four times as much of their income on tobacco products as professionals who smoke.

I expect to see such arguments the next time a presidential candidate proposes getting rid of income taxes and switching over to increased sales taxes (or a "flat tax").

Why do I have a feeling that this argument will somehow get lost between now and then......?

posted by jasonsperber on Aug 27, 2007 at 10:53 AM
posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Aug 28, 2007 at 01:08 PM
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posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Aug 30, 2007 at 07:41 AM
3734.
posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Aug 31, 2007 at 11:32 AM
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posted by kenygy on Oct 30, 2007 at 08:27 AM
If they are going to tax cigarettes to pay for health care they should also tax any product that has sugar or fat in it to pay for health care.  I person who smoles is looked down upon.  I person who eats all day long and gets fat is entitled to welfare.  What a stupid idea.
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