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rightthinking - > Right Thinking -> Straight talk too harsh for the politically correct
Straight talk too harsh for the politically correct

It's been a couple of days, but I'm still not clear how the illegal immigration resolution approved by the City Council Wednesday is radically different from those proposed by Councilman David Couch .

A few months ago, Couch called for resolutions making English the official language of Bakersfield and declaring the city would not become a sanctuary for illegal immigrants.

Considering that English is already the official language of California and illegal immigration is, after all, illegal, Couch's resolutions seemed fairly straightforward.

Where does Bakersfield stand on the issue of illegal immigration?

But that kind of straight talk proved too harsh for a number of local folks who have demonized Couch and characterized his resolutions as hateful, divisive and racist. In what has got to be the reigning over-the-top slur of the entire controversy, United Farm Workers of America co-founder Dolores Huerta on Wednesday even compared the councilman's resolutions to the nooses dangling from trees in Jena, La. Talk about harsh.

So the council was compelled to come up with some kinder, gentler resolutions.

What they ended up approving is a resolution calling on the federal government to enact "meaningful reform," a term so vague, so tired and overused, it couldn't possibly offend anyone. Naturally, it's first on the list.

The council also demanded the federal government do a better job of securing the borders and enforcing current immigration laws, which the feds might be able to do were it not for the growing number of cities declaring themselves sanctuaries in California and throughout the United States.

A sanctuary city, for those who don't know, is a don't-ask-don't-tell policy in regard to illegal immigrants, wherein a city's governing body instructs its law enforcement officers to butt out of immigration matters in the course of their duties.

When I checked with the National Immigration Law Center, there were at least 58 American cities that have sanctuary policies in place and the list is growing. Just this week in Salinas, for example, City Councilman Sergio Sanchez pushed his fellow councilmen to formally declare the city a "safe haven for the area's undocumented residents," according to news reports.

Heaven forbid we take a firm stand on the issue of sanctuary cities; it's too upsetting for those who think it's a great idea. Despite the uproar over his proposed resolutions, Couch says he isn't worried about the possibility of political reprisals over the controversy.

"I wouldn't vote for people who are only going to do things they think are going to help them get elected or avoid things controversial," he says. "I guess I'm pleased we got something passed that we probably never would have even had on our agenda if I hadn't brought it up."

True. And in Bakersfield, at least, no elected officials have suggested proclaiming the city a sanctuary for illegals. They did just the opposite Wednesday with the approved resolution, instructing the Bakersfield Police Department to continue its work with immigration enforcement.

The council also suggested the feds encourage English literacy.

Call it what you will, the council's approved resolution is simply that proverbial rose by another name -- just one that's a bit more politically palatable.

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posted by woofwoof on Sep 29, 2007 at 03:07 PM

"....in Bakersfield, at least, no elected officials have suggested proclaiming the city a sanctuary for illegals. They did just the opposite Wednesday with the approved resolution, instructing the Bakersfield Police Department to continue its work with immigration enforcement.  Why does this sound so laughable? 

So is that what they do at those DUI road blocks....check for immigrations status?  I think not.  I wish they'd do more.

And how could any city want to be a "sanctuary city"?  When the illegal immigrants are driving around  without driver's licenses and car insurance.  It's just wrong. 

posted by NumberOfTheFallen on Sep 29, 2007 at 03:38 PM
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posted by drilnliftcrude on Sep 29, 2007 at 05:15 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Delores Huerta live in Delano?  This is a great opportunity for Delano's growth.  They should declare themselves a sanctuary city and invite all of the "undocumented workers" (who pay their share of taxes according to some) who might be feeling unwelcomed in Bako. 

posted by ChicoEsquela on Sep 29, 2007 at 05:59 PM

Yes, she does Drillnlift. She has absolutely nothing to do with what goes on in the confines of the city of Bksfld except that, like many that were there, she was programmed to speak to show that the "majority" are against Couch.

They are not. just like the Dems and their "polls" theyh always trot out to show they are in the 'majority'.

There was even a pretender to the "throne" who will run against Couch for Watson's seat on County Board of Supes that sat right to the left of each speaker because he knew he would be seen on TV. And his bobble headed wife nodded vigorously each time someone spoke against Couch. When the very few came up to speak for Courch she just looked away or down even shaking her head. One of the young gals that came up to speak for Courch was so incoherent I'm not sure she wasn't a plant. And the "farmer" who talked about the vegetables not knowing who is illegal or not. Rubbish! 

It was annoying, but more ridiculous than anything else, all this stuff. The next morning I noticed almost all the callers to the 1410 radio show were backin Couch.

interesting.

of course........ they could just all be racists, right?

posted by ChicoEsquela on Sep 29, 2007 at 06:07 PM

Also, when Ms. Huerta tried to use the nooses and Jena 6 thing to draw a nexus between the civil rights struggle (a people brought here as slaves against their will) to the illegal alien issue (people coming into our country illeagally to get jobs they should be able to get in their own country except for their corrupt govt. ) --

the whole thing had truly transcended from the sublime to the ridiculous! 

I thought, BTW, Couch did a decent job (under much pressure) in defending his position. I think more people listened (and really heard him) than he may think BTW.

posted by Mom2CandC on Sep 30, 2007 at 05:04 AM

What I think is ridiculous is that Mr. Couch has been seen (at least my those in the "majority" of those represented my Ms. Huerta and her bunch) as the person who created the illegal immigration reform legislation he suggested.  When in fact, he was only asking our City to support what we as American citizens have asked our Federal Government to remember they passed way back when.....since 9/11 our boarders are still being penetrated from Canada and Mexico and every other area as well.  I have no problem with someone entering the U.S. and going through the process to become a LEGAL U.S. citizen.  That requires them to meet the standards that our Founding Fathers and consequently, the Federal Government, set forth many years ago....speak our language, have a legal and stable source of income, and not break the U.S. laws. 

This is not just about Mexico's immigrants - it's about each countrys immigrants who come to the United States to find a better life.  The race issue was really played up in the media by those like Ms. Huerta and those who started this upheaval because it makes a great headline and attracts more attention for their political cause.  In the end, the fact is that amnesty was granted to those who were in the country illegally.  Since that time, our problem has gotten that much greater.  What does that tell you?  It's time to enforce our laws we have passed and asked to be enforced!  Those who come in to the U.S. need to do it just like everyone else did or does now, not by sneaking in.  

posted by sagefever on Sep 30, 2007 at 08:02 AM
All I got is an analogy:disabled is a better word than retard. May be a minor point to some,but I have noticed that while the end result is the same how one phrase's a statement and the words one uses can aide in a positive or negative response. English~use it or lose it.
posted by Mom2CandC on Sep 30, 2007 at 09:35 AM

Good point, Sage!  And you are so right....if we don't stand firm and keep the language the U.S. was founded on, then it's gone!  I recall when the State (first was the DMV) went to printing their forms in Spanish and English, that really sat wrong with me then, and still does now.  To me, that was the beginning of everything being bi-lingual, and somethings being in spanish only.  Now, that is something that REALLY sits wrong with me!  Especially since we live in the USA!

posted by sagefever on Sep 30, 2007 at 10:19 AM
Thanks Mom~ my point being that we can be inclusive or divisive, the current proposal is more calm in it's approach and uses English to it's best advantage. My married name is Spanish in origin,I get mail all the time in bi-lingual versions,it's simple I just turn to the English version.The mail that comes in Spanish only is equally simple,I toss it simply because I can't read it~ that's my loss for being to dumb to pick up another language. My birth city ~Santa Barbara, is heavily immersed in the Spanish culture,perhaps that's why I can not imagine this state without it influences.English will never disappear,it is the language of the world.We need to calm down and turn our eye to things that really need our attention~the economy for one.
posted by Lingtaowoo on Sep 30, 2007 at 10:33 AM
~Chico~ Ms.Huerta is using tactics...she couldn't sell it with the unionization of the vineyard industry...but one of the ' blogger's ' was right- ( I forget whom ) - Why doesn't she provide sanctuary in HER city of Delano
Of course,thats just OUR opinion
posted by AudreyB on Sep 30, 2007 at 12:18 PM
Dolores Huerta reminds me of a couple of other media chasers.   Ray Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.
posted by samheath on Sep 30, 2007 at 12:37 PM
Corporations want open borders for the sake of slave labor. And politicians belong to the corporations; as a consequence it has been in vain to ask the federal government to do its Constitutional duty of securing our borders. The media, owned by corporations, does its part along with toady "liberals"  in calling anyone "racist" that wants our borders secure and immigration laws enforced.
posted by AudreyB on Sep 30, 2007 at 12:52 PM

Sam

I'm a democrat (liberal??) and  I want the boarders closed.  I don't want illegal immigration to continue just to supply big business with an endless source of cheap labor.  Therefore, at least part of your statement is wrong.  Don't assume that all members of a political party think alike.  Especially those people belonging to the democratic party.  We democrats like to do our OWN thinking.

 

posted by Lingtaowoo on Sep 30, 2007 at 12:57 PM
I use to work for a tow truck co. and trucking co....the illeagal 'driver' hires on 5-7 dollarshr. cheaper than 'yankee doodle dandie'...thats still a pretty good chunk of change for the man thats sending HALF of what he/she makes back across the border--and remember---NO taxes are taken out---AMIGO
Of course..THATS A FACT
posted by samheath on Sep 30, 2007 at 01:04 PM

Audrey, you read into my statement something that wasn't there. No one has damned the Republican leadership more than I have.

posted by Lingtaowoo on Sep 30, 2007 at 01:12 PM
`Audrey~  Did you see the comerical with the children--and the LOGO half jackass/half elephant---I don't favor one side nor another--just an American---but be careful--tis the time of year that THEY will tell you anything to get your vote...but it still smells like ca-ca....promises in the past should have been reality today...and we are still taking it in the shorts--I just pray that our grandson doesn't have to do what MANY others have done and died for.....
Of course,thats just my opinion
P.S. Want to be a US citizen----take up arms and swear the oath..and defend the country that you are raping...I don't know any kinder way of putting it..
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 30, 2007 at 05:03 PM
I sure don't see anyone jumping at the chance to spend the day in the fields picking crops at less than minimum wage. I also don't see how it is such a big deal if someone else has trouble communicating with people that only know one language (english). How is it that Americans are so inconvenienced that someone else can't understand them? Seems like it's more of the non-english speaker's problem than any of us. Or is it because you're paranoid and think people are talking about you if you don't understand them?
posted by ChicoEsquela on Sep 30, 2007 at 05:18 PM

Well Pete, why don't we just become a bi-lingual nation then?

It worked so well in Canada (Quebec)

Lets further Balkanize our country. Then we can even  more like Western Europe and Canada, failed socialist nation-states.

 

posted by sagefever on Sep 30, 2007 at 05:57 PM
 *giggles* Chico you should help the city bus lines,you can make connections faster than anyone I know! That's not a bad thing..but maybe you should slow down a tad.
posted by Lingtaowoo on Sep 30, 2007 at 06:10 PM
I'm sorry ~Pro~..you won't find me anytime soon going to Mexico for ANY reason...don't want no trouble-won't be no trouble..the Mexican government are not running things at the border anyway...
posted by sagefever on Sep 30, 2007 at 06:16 PM
Ahh..that brings it up 7 months and counting! Tados Santos here I come..you folks may yet be rid of me..now,now no tears..ROFLOL
posted by hossperry on Sep 30, 2007 at 08:21 PM

Too much is being made of folks speaking English, but my take so that everyone knows it,  is that coming into this country it is the duty of all to learn the language ! now this does not mean give up they're language, or heritage.

The real issue is that illigal's coming into the U.S are a burden on this country!, I am sick of people's logic, that without illigals we would go hungry, B.S I say lets give it a try!  If Delores Huarta thinks I will not survive without illigals, well lets have a test run!lets bring in all the bus's we can find, and load em up!

 It is ignorant, and disrespectul to think we as Americans will be helpless and cannot exist without illigals!.

 I say take the jobs away, put all the prisoners out in the fields, and every person on welfare in the Mcdonads, and Ihops, and Motels, cleaning!.

Now alot of people will say thats stupid, but what is dumber, is folks thinking the USA will be no more without illigals, and Huarta comparing Couch's proposals to the noose's hanging in the tree in Jenna.La

posted by ChicoEsquela on Sep 30, 2007 at 09:10 PM

Delores Huerta demonstrated the disconnect in the entire  "amnesty for illegals" movement when she tried to draw a nexus between the civil rights movement and trying to make people abide by the laws of this land.

I have to wonder what part of  the word "illegal" don't these people understand?

posted by samheath on Oct 1, 2007 at 06:18 AM
Huerta did demonstrate what the word "racist" really is.
posted by CurtDalton on Oct 1, 2007 at 09:54 AM
A more meaningful resolution would have been for the City of Bakersfield to mandate billing the Mexican Consulate for services rendered to those who have entered our country in defiance of our immigration law:

Cost of incarcerating Illegal Aliens who refuse to abide by our laws...

Cost of educating the children of Illegal Aliens...

Cost of providing uncompensated health care to Illegal Aliens...

Uncompensated insurance loss when the Illegal Alien is involved in a vehicle accident...

The cost of providing ANY uncompensated social service to the Illegal Alien (food stamps, cash aid, housing, etc)

This list could go on and on but since it will never come to pass I won't waste any more time on it.


While I have singled out Mexico, this should apply to the country of origin of ANY Illegal Alien found living in The United States of America.   

I would offer since the sovereign nation of Mexico actively encourages their citizens to illegally immigrate to the United States of America, they should step up to the plate and pay for the social/penal services these Illegal Aliens use.

Of course this would NEVER happen.  While completely fair and equitable,  it's not politically-correct and might offend our oh-so-friendly Southern Neighbor!   The best we can hope for is the citizens of Mexico will initiate another revolution and all of the Mexican expatriates here in the United States would flock back to Mexico to fight for their country's economic and societal freedom.

Too bad it will NEVER happen...

They just don't CARE enough. 

It's far easier to hold out their hand and watch us dumb Gringos continue to give them more than they ever had in their home country with no strings attached.   Sadly, our politicians will continue to ignore this threat to our society until it's far too late to take any meaningful action.




posted by AudreyB on Oct 1, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Good one Curt!

Why hasn't it dawned on the City Council that the loud Mexican activists that crowded the council meeting only represent themselves.   The HUGE majority of people who are opposed to Dolores Huera and her agenda are quietly watching at home, waiting to express themselves at the election polls.

Kudos to David Couch.  He has the ear of the voting public.

posted by stickbugs on Oct 1, 2007 at 10:31 AM

I've lived in Bakersfield for the majority of my life (all but about 8 years) and I don't ever remember hearing of a poor farm owner family.  Everyone I've known or heard of have large houses, wives dripping in jewels, kids in private schools, vacation homes, etc...   The argument by the farm owners saying that we would be paying $4 for a head of lettuce would show that they don't plan on reducing their own income if they have to pay more in labor rates.  Maybe there should be more crackdowns at the farm owners level, but with USDA buying surplus, etc... the government seems to turn a blind eye.

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