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sagefever - > Deep Thoughts~whats in ,on my mind and whats out there. -> Take a Veteran to Lunch~ and Therapy
Take a Veteran to Lunch~ and Therapy

 

The news is not good folks. The deserter rate is up to 1%, which may not sound like much but in an “all volunteer” Army that is quite a few folks who just walk away. A steady increase over the last four years, and a 42% jump since last year point to a stressed out population.4, 698 soldiers deserted this year~ with nearly 64% in the months of April through December. The reasons sound logical to me ~ stress, family problems….oh and that extra 15-month deployment. Toss in some death and destruction and one can see why a person might just walk off. Personally, I cannot imagine the thought process one would have to go through to do that, but it must be a very gut wrenching choice to make. Your spot on your team of brothers~ for make no mistake these people do bond deeply~ or the thing you call your real life exploding to bits back home. The Army wants to stop this bleed off of trained personnel, and hopefully as we take down the number of troops over there that will help.

Sgt. Phil McDowell is one of those deserters. Now living in Canada, he had served one tour in Iraq and was getting out of the Army when Uncle Sam said "not so fast."

"The reason I was being called back was to go to another tour in Iraq, and I didn't agree with that," McDowell told a reporter.

McDowell could eventually be deported from Canada and court-martialed, but for him that beats going back to Iraq.

"If I had been asked to go to Afghanistan I would have gone there," he said. "But the Iraq War I didn't want to have any part of that any more."

Sgt. Brad Gaskins was arrested for leaving the Army more than a year ago. He left his base in New York after being diagnosed with PTSD and severe depression~ and not receiving effective treatment. He was arrested at a local café, while his lawyer was negotiating the terms of his surrender. A 8 year veteran ,he served a peacekeeping tour in Kosovo, and 2 tour in Iraq~ it was during the second tour his problems began .He was assigned to conduct road searches and locating IED’s.

Upon his return to Fort Drum, he began suffering flashbacks, nightmares, sleeplessness, headaches, weight loss and vicious mood swings that take him from depression to irrational rage.

Military doctors sent him to Samaritan Medical Center where he was diagnosed and sent back to Fort drum. At Fort Drum of staff of 12, treat 17,000 soldiers for mental health problems. He asked about returning to the Samaritan facility and was told that would delay any chance he had of a medical release. He asked for a two-week leave, went home and never went back.

He cannot find work because of PTSD, had divorced and has supervised visits with his two children.

Last month the V.A. said that more than 100,000 soldiers were being treated for mental health issues, more than half specifically for PTSD.

Now another alarming figure. In 2005 alone, sit down folks, 120~that is right one hundred and twenty~ veterans took their own lives a week. 120 a week. This figure is twice that of the population that did not serve. That is a National tragedy; something that speaks to it is going to take more than “thanks”, a Hummer full of personal care items and a few parades to fix. These numbers came after a CBS investigation of the V.A., which does not track these suicides.

Veterans' rights advocate Paul Sullivan was a data analyst for the VA from 2000 to 2006.

"I don't think they want to know. We call it the "don't look, don't find" policy," he said. "The VA doesn't collect data, and then they don't have to do anything about it."

 

And now, in addition to these reports criticizing the VA’s treatment and spending practices come two more blows: of nearly 90,000 Army vets who served in Iraq in 2005 and 2006, a study released yesterday found 28.3 percent experienced mental health problems, while the report - due out tomorrow - says while veterans are 11 percent of the general population, they now make up an estimated 25 percent of the homeless.

It is clear that from the physically wounded to the mentally wounded the V.A. is not prepared to handle the flood of soldiers coming back home. Back to us. Back to families, back to friends, back to work. We bang the drum, play the fife, wave that flag and send them off ….and then drop that ball. When you don the uniform, place your hand over your heart you have an expectation that the government will take care of you as promised. The government of the people and by the people~ you and me. We must do better.


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posted by sagefever on Monday, November 19, 2007 at 09:41 AM
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posted by randomfactor on Nov 19, 2007 at 09:43 AM

Reportedly the government does have an intensive program to treat those returning veterans who are suicidal.  And all you have to do is sign up to go back, in order to qualify.

Spam Code:  DV SOS.  Anyone know what a "DV" plate is in California?  A good friend of mine has one...

posted by sagefever on Nov 19, 2007 at 09:50 AM

That number is for all veterans RF~ not just those currently serving. Somehow a staff of 12 administrating to a population of 17,000 ( in  Fort Drum) appears  skewed to me,but I am no mental health expert.

And no what is DV? ..Disabled Veteran?

posted by randomfactor on Nov 19, 2007 at 09:58 AM

Right. On both counts.

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But reportedly the best program is for those who say they'll go back.

posted by marsh on Nov 19, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Desertion in wartime?  It'll be interesting to see how that's handled these days.  Used to be dinner and a firing squad . . .

Of course, we have to ask if this is really a war--the mission WAS accomplished, right?  Right?  Anybody?
posted by sagefever on Nov 19, 2007 at 12:50 PM
Now it's a dishonorable discharge Marsh. The way we have treated,and continue to treat the veterans is deplorable.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 19, 2007 at 01:55 PM
There was this case back in Vietnam where the deserter was the son of a prominent Congressman who'd gotten him a berth in a "champagne squadron"...
posted by tonyh on Nov 19, 2007 at 02:43 PM

Desertion in peace time is a Dishonorable Discharge..........AFTER you do your time in the Brig.

I know for a fact that up until the late 1980's, the punishment for desertion in time of war was to be shot at dawn.

posted by randomfactor on Nov 19, 2007 at 02:51 PM

Good thing we're not at war, then. 

posted by sagefever on Nov 19, 2007 at 03:03 PM

I may well be wrong but I believe that is what the CBS news article said ...but the focus should be on how we treat all of our Vetrans..and the thousands coming home...hopefully sooner rather than later.

P.S. If they would plan on shooting you(a deserter), why would you turn yourself in?

posted by myxlnt1 on Nov 20, 2007 at 01:27 AM
How am I going to put this?  I don't know about now, But during  ww2 we had concientious objecters.  They didn't fight but had to do some kind of public service.Why can't we give these guys the same chance?   But to my opinion of the war,  so much  for  "patriotism,  and Rush Limbaugh, and the conservatives.  Let us pray.
posted by NancyII on Nov 20, 2007 at 06:25 AM

Then there's this guy from Arkansas who was classified and re classified and failed to report or serve.  I guess you can't be classified as a deserter if you never fulfill any of your obligations.

Odd how they ended up in the same city.

Myxlnt.....Maybe they don't have concientious objectors now because no one is drafted, it's an all volunteer military.  The only reason I can see to enlist if you're a C.O. would be to get a free education..it sure wouldn't be to serve the country out of patriotism. 

I ask politely that you stop mocking Christians by using "let us pray" a phrase that means something to them.  When Christians say that, they mean it.

posted by myxlnt1 on Nov 20, 2007 at 06:52 AM
Nancy,okay, sorry.
posted by NancyII on Nov 20, 2007 at 07:05 AM
Thanks Myxlnt..it's much appreciated.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 20, 2007 at 07:53 AM

The difference, Nancy, is that when ordered to take the physical, Clinton obeyed the order and Shrub disobeyed.  Oh, and Shrub was actually *IN* the military at the time...good thing we weren't at war *THEN* either.

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Do only Christians pray?  I know of machines that do...

posted by NancyII on Nov 20, 2007 at 08:05 AM

"Do only Christians pray?  I know of machines that do"  So do Mantis's..never knew of a machine doing it though.

As for the two prezes..of course you'd find a difference since it involves Bush but at least he showed up and actually learned to fly.  And Billy did what?  Oh..that's right, he dodged it altogether.

Off to work here..you guys have a great day.  Guard dogs on alert.

posted by Heavensgate on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:02 AM

We hate every nation’s men in uniform because they MIGHT MAKE WAR, we love our men in uniform because THEY DO MAKE WAR. So this mean god fearing world being what it is, only Israel and us are righteous.

posted by sfinboston52 on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:11 AM
we (the gov) must do a better job of caring for our veterans and military folk.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:11 AM

Mantises use a different vowel when they prey.

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As for praying machines, your computer too can pray:

http://www.dharma-haven.org...

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Did Billy do anything for which he could be prosecuted under the UCMJ?   No.  Did Bush?  Decidedly yes.

posted by randomfactor on Nov 20, 2007 at 10:34 AM
Oh, and that "learned to fly" business cost the government a cool million dollars before he deserted.   But at least he only crashed the one airplane, so that limited the final cost.
posted by randomfactor on Nov 20, 2007 at 11:58 AM

Those veterans may need lunch money, too.  The Bush Administration "supports" veterans once again:

http://www.thecarpetbaggerr...

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