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Fear and False Claims


Fear and False Claims
Playing the terrorism card, a GOP-linked group twists facts about a controversial electronic surveillance bill.
Summary
A widely-seen ad pushes a White House-backed bill that would make it easier for the government to wiretap Americans. It also would give retroactive legal immunity to telecom companies that cooperated with Bush's secret, post-9/11 warrantless wiretapping program.

Sponsored by Defense of Democracies, a group with GOP connections, the ad  takes the House to task for not passing the bill, as the Senate has. The ad appeals to fear, with its image of Osama bin Laden and similar ploys. But we find that it also makes several misleading claims.

Specifically, the ad says that:
  • "The law" allowing government eavesdroppers to intercept al Qaeda communications has expired. But the main, 30-year-old law that lets them listen in, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, is still on the books. It's a law amending FISA, making it easier for intelligence-gatherers to eavesdrop on communications that might include Americans, that has expired.
  • "[T]he House refuses to vote" to replace the lapsed law. Actually, the House passed its own version of the legislation months ago. The House and Senate are now in conference to resolve the differences in their bills, which is the normal legislative process.
  • "[N]ew surveillance against terrorists is crippled." The administration has admitted that surveillance authorized under the expired bill will extend at least into August. It has also admitted that when a new member of a known terrorist organization is discovered, that person can be surveilled via authorizations granted under the expired law. And at any rate, FISA itself hasn't expired, and any time the government has strong evidence that someone is a member of a terrorist organization, it can still get a court order to eavesdrop on that person.

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posted by sagefever on Thursday, February 28, 2008 at 04:59 PM
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posted by Katatak on Feb 28, 2008 at 05:03 PM

A search warrant, please.

Thanks, sage, for posting this.

posted by randomfactor on Feb 28, 2008 at 05:25 PM

The only thing this is "about" is letting criminals get off scot-free for their crimes, both criminally and in civil court. 

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Bush wants to cover up criminal behavior.  He could have the rest of the bill tomorrow if he'd drop that scheme.

posted by anglo1 on Feb 28, 2008 at 08:34 PM

Is there a name for that bill?  I'm trying to find accurate info on what it means to me and if I think it's a good thing. I thought most bills had numbers or names to check the details.  Such as, is this to wiretap "any" American or just those that are communicating with terrorists groups or suspected terrorists groups in other countries, which is what I suspect. Because I don't have any problem with that. Help please.

posted by catpaw on Feb 29, 2008 at 06:57 AM

Sounds like echos of Joe McCarthy to me; or Nixion's secret "enemies list." No telling what Bush, et.al. calls a terrorist.

posted by sagefever on Feb 29, 2008 at 12:05 PM

Anglo~ sorry I put this up and r/t took over,as it is want to do at times. What this particular Fact Check concerns is a false and misleading ad put out to pressure votes to extend The Protect America Act,which was added to 1978 FISA. Click on the purple word desk top,it will take you to a detailed explanation of the bills,the ad and the fear and false claims.

 

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