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Whatchamacallit break
I know this is getting old, so I'll be brief.

It seems as though EVERYONE has an opinion about the now-fading news that Kern High changed the name of its winter and spring breaks to Christmas and Easter breaks.

And I do mean everyone. Just in case you missed it, this is an editorial The Los Angeles Times recently wrote about the Kern High decision:

www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-recess26dec26, 0,4860047.story
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posted by schooled on Wednesday, December 27, 2006 at 05:00 PM
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posted by woofwoof on Dec 27, 2006 at 07:49 PM
Yeah, they all should focus on "lackluster test scores".  But, when will the government and churches have separation, by the way?  What was the point of the separation of church and state, it never seems to be followed.  I don't want to go to church to hear who I should vote for and I don't want my government telling me what religion to follow....
posted by blognroll on Dec 28, 2006 at 08:50 AM
I'm not they will publish it, but I sent the LA Times this letter in response to their editorial: At least the Los Angeles Times had the decency to wait until the day after Christmas to spew forth its elitist, condescending and condemnatory utterances concerning the Kern County High School District board's brave decision to replace "winter recess" and "spring recess" with "Christmas recess" and "Easter recess." Both Christmas and Easter have and continue to have, a profound influence on Western civilization and American culture in particular in terms of tradition. This influence certainly includes, but also goes well beyond religion and its symbols. To pretend that such an influence is anything less than profound by relying upon generic terms for these holidays when everybody knows the reason for the season is intellectually dishonest at best. Certainly students who celebrate other holidays should not be ignored or invalidated. On the contrary, we should celebrate diversity and freedom of religious expression. But pretending that Christmas and Easter do not exist, ignoring the dramatic influence of these holidays on Western culture, and purging public institutes of any words or phrases referring to them is not the way to pay attention to alternative holidays and alternative cultures that celebrate them. Don't get me wrong, we love L.A., and we don't expect you to deliver snow for Christmas, but please, no more sludge!
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 28, 2006 at 08:56 AM

Mornin' Doc.

What's elitist about the L.A. Times' piece?  Did you see this part?

"It was always a little silly for stores to shy away from having clerks say "Merry Christmas" to customers at this time of year, when they know full well the chances are better than 90% that they've said the appropriate thing to a customer."

It's basically agreeing with people who feel that stores shouldn't feel inhibited from mentioning Christmas.  The article is rightly focused on the political context alone -- and not only that, it downplays the real significance of the decision:

"Is this an important case of "religion creep" into public institutions? No. But it's laced with humbuggery, sending a message to certain children about where they stand in the board's estimation. "

Also, keep in mind that L.A. is an extremely diverse place.

 

posted by TomW on Dec 28, 2006 at 09:17 AM
Actually, Doc, calling it "Oester Break" would have been brave.  Or shortening it so that it was only for Good Friday would have been brave.  Calling the Resurrection after its pagan name would have been brave if the board had made it clear that that was what they were doing.
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 28, 2006 at 09:59 AM
Our priorities are in the gutter if naming a school break was at the top of the list of "things to do" by the Kern High School Board.
posted by antiextremism on Dec 28, 2006 at 10:28 AM

I have a question for Christians on what their priority is.

Why is that calling it Christmas break is such a big issue, yet the airwaves are inundated with gypsy conmen whose only goal is to become wealthy?

People like Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Baker, Benny Hinn, Peter Popov, etc etc etc. Men who target the lonely, the aged, the fearful and the gullible.

Heres a reminder from the Bible....

"Beware of false profits who come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves".

According to the George Barna institute, only 27% of Evangelicals tithe (i.e. give 10% of their income to a church or charitable activity.)

These conmen are now actually shifting modes, and saying that "God wants you to be wealthy". Forget about that whole "Camel throught the eye of the needle thing." There are exceptions to that rule, God told me so.

Are you telling me Christians are outraged by the fact that seculars don't want "in God we Trust" on their government walls, but they have no problem with these fleecers who are robbing the flock daily. Hey....I just caught onto that, maybe the fleece tag was brought on by 'fleecing sheep'.

Why is it okay for you to watch some holier than thou criminal, wearing a Rolex Watch and Armani suit on a gold adorned set, while millions of people are begging for a scrap of food?

The hypocrisy is mind boggling to me, and Jesus would be ashamed. Just WWJD??? Remember the merchants in the Temple??? That's what he would do.

Maybe Christians should work on their own house before they start demanding a theocracy.  

posted by ProgressivePete2 on Dec 28, 2006 at 11:19 AM
Great post antiex.

BLT, I think you're overstating what those holidays mean to this country. I do agree that most Americans do celebrate Christmas although not in the same way. Each family has their Christmas traditions. Some go skiing, some sit home and open presents, some open them on Christmas eve, some travel many miles to be close to loved ones, and some spend it alone and cold. Christmas Day is a national holiday, where banks, schools and govt offices are closed. Christmas eve is not. Boxing Day (the day after Christmas) is not. Why should we name a whole week after one day? Easter is not celebrated by as many Americans as Christmas. Easter Sunday is a holiday, but banks are closed anyway, and so are schools and govt offices as they are every sunday. Why should we name a whole week after it? It seems to me that it's a little bit selfish to demand that we all call these school breaks after your religious holidays when there is really only one day in each that is celebrated by christians and they're already observed. I seriously doubt that you consider the tuesday before or after easter a holiday, so let's just call it what it is and end this silliness. Winter and spring break.

Now, about those test scores. . .
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 28, 2006 at 11:36 AM

I think the term "Spring Break" will be awfully tough to extinguish, now that it has become an integral part of college parlance.

 

posted by anonymous on Dec 28, 2006 at 03:02 PM
We are not allowed to use the term "spring break" at Bakersfield College--we are forced to call it  "spring recess."   
posted by antiextremism on Dec 28, 2006 at 03:03 PM
Yeah Hardliner, "Girls gone Wild on Easter break" just doesn't have the right ring to it.
posted by dusty1215 on Dec 28, 2006 at 03:13 PM
Recess..are U serious? Isn't that what we had in elementary school? jeez..

As for the GGW comment....it could increase the appeal to the Christians perhaps...  :P
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Dec 28, 2006 at 03:24 PM

On the other hand, AuntieEx, if it's one of those years when Easter comes extra late -- and that can be as late as April 25 -- "Girls Gone Wild On Beltane" (April 30) would make a ton of sense.  :-)

Go ahead.  Google Beltane.  Then if you're good, watch for an invitation in your inbox.  [g]

posted by antiextremism on Dec 28, 2006 at 06:00 PM
I do have Pict ancestors Hardliner!
posted by blognroll on Dec 29, 2006 at 12:06 AM
You've all made some good points.  I may consider changing my mind, or at least moderating my position. 
posted by antiextremism on Dec 29, 2006 at 11:17 AM
Doc, you have to be one of the most thoughtful conservatives I've encountered on these blogs. (There are others, and surely some unthoughtful liberals.) To even consider a different viewpoint is admirable. People on both sides of the issue should take notice. I used to call myself a conservative before the Newt led Neocons came to power. Polarization and lobbyists are paralyzing our country. Even if we are firm in our convictions, we can all learn something by civil discourse.  I'm hoping that the Dems don't just gloat in their recent victory, and actually try to heal the country. If they don't, then it is obvious that everyone on Capitol Hill are just different versions of corporate whores.
posted by blognroll on Dec 30, 2006 at 07:48 AM
I appreciate your compliment, antiextremism, but all too often, I'm not as thoughtful as I should be, or could be, and all too often, I stubbornly cling to positions, failing to abandon them even as I begin to see their lack of merit.  Underneath it all, however, I hold to the belief that humility is the beginning of wisdom.  
posted by NancyII on Dec 30, 2006 at 08:22 AM

I'm a Christian and I honestly don't see what the flap is about naming the breaks.  No one was complaining (that I heard from anyway) about them being called by the season.  Makes sense to me.  I think what irritates me most is the changing of names period.  It's usually for the "cause of the week."  Or month..or year.  Or for someones political gain.  It's nuts.

I've ranted ad nauseum about changing street names at will and changing the name of the breaks is just as irritating.  People can still call breaks whatever they want. 

What's next?  Changing Summer Break to some other name?  Or is it Summer Vacation?  Or Summer recess?  I don't know about you folks but I'm just gonna call it HOT.

posted by anonymous on Dec 30, 2006 at 11:28 AM

What about non-Christian teachers' rights?  If they were to refer to the break as Hannukah Break (after all, they celebrate it a full 8 days compared to Christian 1 day of Christmas), would there be reprisals from the Christian Board?  Haven't Jewish leaders made important contributions to the American culture which should cause us to include their celebrations in our public celebration naming?  Why not call it "Shopping Break"; after all, most people seem to take a very materialistic approach to celebrating the "holy" day of Christmas.  Don't believe me?  How many Christians do you suppose went shopping during the season but did not attend church on Christmas? This is the slippery slope the Kern Board has set upon us. 

posted by robinislost on Dec 31, 2006 at 04:38 PM
Well, I pretty much agree with everything Nancy said. She's smart.

I don't care what it's called, and I think the entire process of changing the names was unnecessary; all I care about is that it's my break to be away from teachers and homework, and I can call it whatever I want to call it.

I used to have to listen to Chad Vegas at church in The Lighthouse, but I stopped going to church because I got lazy. I still think he's being flat-out ridiculous about this whole situation.

'
DON'T THE BAKERSFIELD schools have something better to do than foment public debate about whether this couple of weeks should be called "winter recess" or "Christmas recess?"'

I love how The Los Angeles Times misplaced the question mark at the end of the first sentence. That's hilarious.

Wow. I feel embarrassed to be attending a school in a county that's being criticized by The LA Times as having "lackluster test scores." It's OK to be embarrassed, isn't it?
posted by AudreyB on Dec 31, 2006 at 07:02 PM

You say tomato I say tomayto, you say potato I say potayto, you say Christmas Break, I say who the hell cares, you say Boardmember Vegas, I say ex Boardmember Vegas. 

 

posted by NancyII on Dec 31, 2006 at 07:30 PM

Audrey..my sentiments exactly.

Looks like everyone is off doing something for New Years...  I thought about going out to get food but decided it's too cold.  I'll just eat popcorn.  There's not a cotton picking thing on TV tonight either.   Grrrr.....

posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 07:41 PM

Since it's "Amature Night", I've decided that it's much safer to stay off the roads. Some drunk may decide to borrow the side of my car to try and kill himself. I'd rather not participate.

No, we're all in the Coop tonight.

posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 07:53 PM
Good call Tony.  I'm under the blanket my daughter made me for Christmas with my cat at my side and Young Frankenstein on TV.  I've got my laptop plugged in so I don't miss anything and Hubby brought me a margarita.  I've got my own little piece of paradise here.  This is what I call celebratin'!
posted by NancyII on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:16 PM
I'm in good company then.
posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:19 PM

That's about where I am dg, only I prefer 18 year old Single Malt Scotch on ice. I've got a 43 lb. Poodle at my feet. Liza always keeps me company. She's my third kid.

Here in Tennessee, they sell Fireworks for New Years. About an hour ago, I supervised my 12 year old Son, so he could shoot a bunch of Bottle Rockets over the field (our Soybeans are cut and the Winter Wheat is short and green). Since it's so damp and cold out, it's time to settle in and stay warm. I've got too many responsibilities these days, to take a chance anymore. Too many reasons to stay healthy.........

posted by NancyII on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:19 PM
Rats..no laptop here.  I see WM on line has one for 499...I'm tempted.  I watch TV til I'm bored silly then come back here (back of the house) to the computer til no one is here...then back to the TV.  If I sit too long I'll fall asleep and it's too early for that.  I'd be awake at 3 am.
posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:21 PM
The best, Nancy.  The best folks stay in on New Years Eve.  Besides, its pretty darn cold out there!
posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:22 PM

Nancy,

A wireless network is a great thing. It works all over the house, including the front or back porch.......

posted by NancyII on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:25 PM

I'll never make it to midnight.

Someone in my neighborhood has fireworks too.  I hear them from time to time.  My guess is it will be wild around here come 2007.

You're right about the cold.  My washer and dryer are in the detached garage and I left a load in the washer..too durned cold to be running back and forth outside

posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:31 PM
I love my laptop!  I pay bills on my PC, store music files and use it during the day, but in the evening, there's nothing like sittin in my big ol chair with my lap top.  I have the dog inside on occasion, but he's a vizsla, and pretty hyper so, he only comes in when someone is willing to keep a close eye on him.  We bought him a Tough Chew bed for Christmas.  It's guaranteed to be "chew proof" or they give you your money back.  It's going back on Tuesday.  The darn thing looks like dental floss!
posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:39 PM

My dog's about three years old and when I'm in the Study at my desk, she lays at my feet, under the desk. If I'm in my Recilner, she gets into the chair with me. She also sleeps on the bed. She's a big dog and it's like having two Wives. (LoL)

posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 08:47 PM
I understand completely.  I was visiting my ex and his girlfriend today (we're very civilized that way  ;-) ) and his girlfriend was telling me that when he's ready for bed he says, "come on Peach, let's go to bed".  Peach is dog.  I'm a little conflicted by the whole thing.  On the one hand, he's sleeping with a dog now, on the other hand, I was replaced by a dog.
posted by NancyII on Dec 31, 2006 at 09:02 PM

Both of mine are in the house with me.  Allie (lab) is a pain..and like your Vizla, is never in the house alone.  I've taken to putting the gate up and penning her in the kitchen at night since it's so cold.  Odd..for 3 past winters she's been outside all the time but this year I felt bad.  It's a new place and she's never known any other yard but my old one.  Or maybe I'm just getting soft.  Zack starts out on my bed but prefers his nights on the couch or in the bay window.  He comes back early in the mornings and crashes on the foot of the bed again.  Weird little hairball.

I do all my banking on line too..and bill paying.  I'd be lost without a computer now.  I keep google hopping with research or just plain curiousity about most anything.  I check ebay before buying anything..talk to family or friends on IM..get maps..reverse directory..and a gazillion other things.  

 

posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 09:14 PM

dg, Nancy,

Ladies, since its New Years Eve, I'd like to say that I've really enjoyed our conversations over this last year. They’ve been most delightful. Living in West Tennessee for several years has shown me that I think differently and have different values than the locals. It’s nice to visit with people who think a lot like I do, and have the same values. As my Father-in-law used to say “Tony’s OK, he just has his own ways”. I’m sure that you both know where my “ways” came from.

 

One example is the local mentality of lying around, not doing anything productive (just marking time) and waiting for Parents to die, so assets can be inherited. My personal attitude is “I’ll earn it myself, or I’ll do without”. I guess when you come from people who don’t have much to leave, you don’t waist your time waiting around. You get busy and go to work.

 

Thanks for reminding me that there’s no shame in having roots in South Taft. I hope that 2007 brings you both, smooth sailing and much laughter. When we laugh often and hard, life is more fun…………

 

posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 09:21 PM

We've become as crazy about our pets as we are about our kids.  My sister has a vet coming to her house once a week to draw blood from her corgi.  He has low platelets. But all her kids are gone and her boys have yet to bless her with grandchildren, so Shorty is her baby. 

 

posted by dgrealish on Dec 31, 2006 at 09:45 PM

That's so sweet, Tony.  I have family in Taft and  lived there for a month in the third grade.  Pop actually left the dairy and moved to Taft to work in the oilfields  He worked 9 days that month.  We nearly starved.  I went to Conley Elementary School and had the worst teacher I've ever had in my life.  There were 5 Debbie's in the class and she decided to call me Gale, my middle name.  A few days into it she told me she could no longer call me Gale because all the  Gales she'd ever known had been intelligent and the name didn't suit me.  I had an IQ of 140.  It wasn't difficult for me to figure out what she was saying. 

No Tony, a person should never be ashamed of his roots.  The starting point is a major factor when you're figuring out how far you've come.

posted by tonyh on Dec 31, 2006 at 09:52 PM
Thanks Debbie, I ment what I said. You and Nancy are OK!
posted by robinislost on Dec 31, 2006 at 11:06 PM
DANG! I went to watch TV for a little while and y'all had a party without me!

Anyway, I just wanted to say, firstly, that what Audrey said up there way earlier about the tomato stuff was amazing. I loved it.

I'm tired and I don't think I'm going to make it until midnight, but even if I do, I won't really want to watch that ball dropping, because I've seen it a zillion times and it's never any different than the previous year. Plus, the ball already dropped at 9 and that makes me sad knowing that all we're going to get to see is a rerun of what has already happened three hours ago in New York. Sigh. Maybe I should move to the east coast.

...Where did everyone go????

Well, my dog is sleeping in my mom's bedroom. He doesn't like me as much as he likes my mom. I'm sleepy, so off I go to watch some TV and fall asleep or something. Maybe I'll be back later. Happy New Year, all.
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