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Cal State University salaries
The California State University Board of Trustees is scheduled to vote on a new contract for faculty Wednesday. Here are the terms, in case you ever wondered what CSU professors make:
"The four-year agreement covers budget years 2006/07 through 2010/11 and will cost the CSU more than $400 million. Under the new contract, projected average salaries for full professors will be $105,531; for tenure track faculty (all ranks combined) will be $90,593; and for part-time lecturers will be $53,677." 17 comments from 8 users
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posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 05:55 PM
average salaries for full professors will be $105,531 I think it's important to remember that the salaries of CSUBakersfield tenured, full faculty do not approach that. If they did, we wouldn't be trying to move. My husband is a business prof (the market says he should be making over six figures for base salary)... he's NOT EVEN CLOSE. At market rate, my husband should be on the high end of the numbers that make that average, yet... he's far below that average. The averages you posted included areas like L.A., San Francisco, and San DIego... just sayin'. posted by
anonymous
on May 15, 2007 at 08:01 PM
As a part-time lecturer at CSUB I can say that I do NOT make $53,677 or will under the new contract. Please review your facts and put them in perspective. posted by
ronmexico
on May 15, 2007 at 08:12 PM
posted by
anonymous
on May 15, 2007 at 09:08 PM
i have to agree that these numbers are really very misleading. they are really very inflated, due to how much people at the top make. assistant professors (who are on the "tenure track") don't make anywhere close to the "average" for tenure track professors either. i am an assistant professor, on the tenure track, and i make in the low $50s.
posted by
anglo1
on May 15, 2007 at 09:48 PM
posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 10:08 PM
I hate to criticize anyone without knowing their methodology...but, this really is misleading data. And, what's really silly is that the employee salaries are, I believe, part of the public record. That's why, while I don't normally share my husbands income, it wouldn't bother me to do so for the purposes of showing how far off this data is. My husband is a tenured, associate professor and he makes roughly $79,000 under the old contract. He is planning on going for full, if he stays, within the next two years and I can guarantee you that there's no way that CSUB is going to offer him six figures...or even anywhere near market. The really sad part about this is that giving misleading information, like the original poster did, is going to make it really difficult to explain to the general public when the business school (and other professional schools at CSUB) lose their accreditation and cease to be considered serious schools within the university. One of the ways the AACSB (the accrediting body for business schools) judges the quality of the education is the rate at which the faculty is paid. Right now- CSUB is failing AND losing good faculty at an alarming rate. You can get a recent PhD or AbD in, but they leave a year later when they find a school that pays them market...thus wasting more of the school's time, money, and resources. posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 10:10 PM
Ron asked: THen put it in perspective for us. How much do you make per lecture?? I just did an informal phone poll of four lecturers... the average, of those four, was in the very low thirties. ETA: Ron... they don't get paid "per lecture". They get paid per course (as in, per 10 weeks of class meetings). AND, there's a student ratio (I believe) that figures into what they get paid. posted by
ronmexico
on May 15, 2007 at 10:12 PM
And how many hours a year does a professor work in a year?? My guess that it is no where near what an 8-5 schlub works posted by
ronmexico
on May 15, 2007 at 10:17 PM
posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 10:45 PM
LOL, Ron!! You soooooo have no idea. Let's see... my husband, to be academically qualified, has to write three journal articles/published papers (in A or B tiered journals) every year. Rough estimate - that takes up about 800 hours a year and you don't get a guarantee that you'll be published. If you're not, you have to rinse, lather, and repeat. Then, he's got all of the community service that he HAS to do to keep his job (this can be anywhere from 2-6 hours a week). Then he's got classes to teach (15 hours a week). Then he's got the student committee stuff. Then there's department meetings. Chair positions. Student counselling and advising. Mandatory office hours (at least five a week). And, somewhere in that time, he has to make up his lectures and prepare to actually teach. Yeah...you're right. He hardly ever works. The teaching and service expectations equal approximately 200 hours a month, for ten months (they're not paid twelve months a year). A good instructor will spend 2-4 hours outside of the classroom prepping for every hour in. My husband figures that he spends 2800 hours a year to do his job right. The average "8-5pm shlub" works about 2000 per year. AND, my husband gets NO vacation. He just doesn't get paid for two summer months. The plus of my husband's job is that he can do some of these things between 10pm and 3am. My husband has also taken on EXTRA service and administrative roles so that he can teach less and perform the tasks that no one else wants so that he can be flexible and take care of our children during my illness. So.... would you care to discuss this some more, Ron? Furthermore, the original poster of this blog didn't accurately report this "raise" and salary scale. Not only is it inaccurate in averages, but it also doesn't take into account that the raise will occur over 4 years. There's a small, retroactive portion (3%) that goes back to July 06. The rest is doled out through 2010 on a schedule. Also, if my husband were to go out into industry and work the "8-5 schlub", he could make around $200,000 a year. He has a PhD from a top tier university and is highly marketable. We stay here because he LOVES teaching and likes to be involved with our kids. It's a lifestyle choice. posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 10:52 PM
Oh yeah...forgot to add, Ron... we've also yet to have a Saturday or Sunday free from a student or colleague calling to ask questions or get clarification on some problem. My husband gives his mobile phone number out to students so that, if they can't make office hours, they can call when it's CONVENIENT FOR THEM. Also forgot to add that a good professor will attend conferences, academic or administrative, which takes even more time. Oh, and...if you're teaching in a professional school, don't forget that you have to stay academically current. Which, for my husband, meant devoting two years (FOR FREE) to a software corporation, in an academic advisory position, just so CSUB could get 2 million dollars worth of software for the students to use. posted by
ronmexico
on May 15, 2007 at 10:59 PM
posted by
possummomma
on May 15, 2007 at 11:08 PM
posted by
adampayne
on May 16, 2007 at 09:06 AM
Why are people like schooled and ronmexico so anti-education? Why are so many people so opposed to higher learning and particularly within the public school arena in this area? This is a hate posting dressed up as information, but is actually worthless inflammatory garbage. What people like s&r need to know is that California, once upon a time, had the best public school system in the country. But after years of Reaganomics, and libertarian posings by agenda driven private profiteers, we now are at the bottom in expenditures per pupil and see the sad results with high drop out rates and lowered test scores. posted by
anonymous
on May 16, 2007 at 09:14 AM
Ron, how may of your professors did you thank? After all without them you would still be flipping burgers.
posted by
schooled
on May 16, 2007 at 10:19 AM
I appreciate the posters who added context to the original posting with their own experiences. -- Lisa posted by
skipper1978
on May 23, 2007 at 08:18 AM
What do say English or Journalism professors make? Do they have Ph.D.s? By the way, I think putting the salary of all the professors with their names is a great idea.
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