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siouxcityranch - > -> Atheist rips into presidential oath
Atheist rips into presidential oath

Avowed atheist Michael Newdow, infamous for his attacks against references to God in the Pledge of Allegiance and the national motto, now wants to remove all religious references from Barack Obama's inauguration.

 

 Newdow, who in past legal battles has tried to strip the United States currency of a reference to God and has sued to alter the pledge of allegiance in schools, now wants to alter history. Newdow wants the president-elect barred from a traditional reference to God in the oath of office -- "so help me God" -- because those words are not in the oath set out in the Constitution. He also wants two prayers by well-known Christian figures cancelled. Revs. Rick Warren and Joseph Lowery are scheduled to deliver inaugural prayers on January 20.
 
"I hope people understand this is not an anti-God issue -- this is a pro-equality issue," Newdow tells Associated Press. "And it's not treating people equal when the government takes one side in a religious debate. To have chaplains come and say that God exists when there are people who think quite strongly that's not true is just as wrong as to have chaplains come in and say that Jesus is Lord."
 
Randy ThomassonRandy Thomasson of SaveCalifornia.com suggests that Newdow find other venues to spread his hatred of God. "Newdow obviously believes in God so much that he hates God," says the Christian activist. "He really needs to find a different racket and stop wrecking America's heritage."
 
Indeed, the phrase "so help me God" does not appear in the presidential oath as outlined in the Constitution. But the nation's first president, George Washington, used those words when he first took the oath -- and it has been a tradition since. According to Thomasson, Newdow is demonstrating more than just intolerance in this latest legal attack.
 
"Talk about revisionist history," he exclaims. "Talk about an attack on our very Constitution [which] talks about the free exercise of religion being guaranteed."
 
Brad Dacus PJIThomasson says the atheist Newdow has no business trying to dictate what a president-elect does or does not say in the oath of office. Brad Dacus of Pacific Justice Institute agrees, saying it is a matter of the president-elect's constitutional rights, not Newdow's.
 
"The same way a student does not have to leave their faith at home when they go to school, similarly those elected to office and those elected president of the United States do not have to leave their Christian faith at home either," says the Christian attorney. "Just because the Constitution doesn't reference God as a part of the oath does not prevent the president from referencing God in that oath."
 
AP notes that Newdow sued to remove religion from the 2001 and 2005 inaugurations but lost both cases. This time, however, he is joining 17 other plaintiffs, including atheist and humanist organizations.

 

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posted by siouxcityranch on Wednesday, December 31, 2008 at 11:24 AM
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posted by Wayfarer on Dec 31, 2008 at 11:58 AM

So it is OK to violate the separation of church and state by imposing his own minority religion on the rest of the country.  Sadly another irrational, marginalized individual seeking his 15 minutes of fame;( 

 

posted by Lingtaowoo on Dec 31, 2008 at 12:27 PM

I don't get it...isn't there NOTHING we can do without 'someone' or a group of 'someones' don't feel offended by 'this or that'...will we ever see an end to the constent 'I don't like this or We want that..'

Have we truely become a Nation of Whiners....Everyone BELIEVES in something...but don't slam others down because they BELIEVE......

Of course..thats just my opinion.....

posted by motopoet on Dec 31, 2008 at 03:25 PM

I may be wrong, but isn't this the same guy who was exposed by his daughter as a liar when he made the claim that SHE was the one offended by tthe pledge of alligance? I have always been of teh same opinion as Ling; stop whining and considering yourself above others whos beliefs differ from yours Calling someone any name because their views differ from yours only proves your immaturity and lack of tolerance.

.I am a believer, but not a church guy. I have no issues with those without faith, be they athiests or agnostics, I have no issues with those of differing beliefs. All I ask is that they give me the same respect I give them by not shoving their belief, or lack of it, on me. I rarely get what I ask for.

posted by sfinboston52 on Dec 31, 2008 at 03:38 PM

Michael NewDow and Randy Thomasson are both off the deep end and should be ignored.

posted by siouxcityranch on Dec 31, 2008 at 03:57 PM

Personally I think hes pitiful and the sooner he passes from this earth the better

posted by H8cloz on Dec 31, 2008 at 07:10 PM

Well, as the lone atheist (and naturist) in Bakersfield, I suppose I should comment; I think this guy is out of line. I couldn't care less if "God" is mentioned in the oath, printed on our money or in the Pledge. Who cares? As an atheist the concept of God is meaningless (also sad and pointless) to me. Many of the people who say those words don't really believe in God anyway, or if they do, it's just for show or to hedge their bets, as it were. They could say "In the Cosmic Blueberry we Trust" for all I (or any atheist) should care. Separation of church and state means that the government should not discriminate against, endorse, enforce any religion, or lack there of, of any kind. Nor should those of you who call yourselves religious discriminate against me for not being so.

This guy should get another hobby and leave y'all religious folk alone.

posted by CatherineBaker on Dec 31, 2008 at 07:57 PM

There are nuts aplenty in this country--and now Sioux has been kind enough to find an athiest nut for us.

But don't go saying anything against the Pentecostals--OH NO.

posted by siouxcityranch on Jan 1, 2009 at 08:03 AM

Cat I didnt find him..he fell off the nut tree and bumped his head...when he stoodup he was on a soap box and craving  attention

posted by H8cloz on Jan 1, 2009 at 09:41 AM

" he fell off the nut tree and bumped his head...when he stoodup he was on a soap box and craving  attention." Well, certainly no religious person has ever done that, right? He is voicing his opinion. I think he's going too far with it, even as I am a "devout" atheist, but he is still entitled, as a free American, to voice his opinion. He is also entitled to try to change things. He can propose and support whatever he wants. Religious people do that too. You can call him nuts all you want, but there are vastly more religious "nuts" out there trying to force their beliefs on the world than there are atheist "nuts" trying to stop them. Again, I think his efforts and energy are misdirected, but he'll figure that out.

posted by catpaw on Jan 2, 2009 at 06:57 AM

Just another eccentric looking for 15 minutes of fame.

posted by Ppopgun on Jan 2, 2009 at 11:58 PM

“The fool says in his heart: there is no God.” (Psalm 14:1)
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