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siouxcityranch - > -> Major General says president's eligibility needs proof
Major General says president's eligibility needs proof


Posted: February 26, 2009
11:40 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

Retired Maj. Gen. Carroll Childers

'Most important, what I really want is the truth'

On the heels of two active duty members of the U.S. military serving in Iraq calling for President Obama to prove his eligibility to be president, a retired major general has agreed to join the case, saying he just wants "the truth."

WND reported earlier when 1st Lt. Scott Easterling confirmed to California attorney Orly Taitz that he wanted to be a plaintiff in the legal action she is preparing on behalf of members of the U.S. military, both active and retired. A second soldier who asked that his name be withheld for now became part of the action just a day later.

Now retired Maj. Gen. Carroll D. Childers has submitted a statement to Taitz and her DefendOurFreedoms.us website, agreeing to be a plaintiff in her pending action.

"I agree to be a plaintiff in the legal action to be filed by Orly Taitz, Esq. in a petition for a declaratory judgement (sic) that Barack Hussein Obama is not qualified to be president of the U.S., nor to be commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces, in that I am or was a sworn member of the U.S. military (subject to recall)," he wrote.

 


If recalled, he would be "unable to follow any orders given by a constitutionally unqualified commander in chief, since by doing so I would be subject to charges of aiding and abetting fraud and committing acts of treason," he wrote.

In an accompanying letter, Childers said, "What I really want is the truth; is Obama a natural born citizen of the United States. If not a natural born citizen, America has been defrauded and then we would be stuck with Joe Biden whose only redeeming attribute is that he is probably not a communist."

He said he is an engineer after serving for 38 years in Vietnam, the Persian Gulf, Operation Desert Storm and other locations.

Childers said there were a long list of reasons he didn't support Obama for president, including "his crime associates in the USA … his promise to make coal power industry bankrupt … his spread the wealth admission … his associations with foreign leaders unfriendly to the USA … (and his lack of) integrity."

But he said he believes Obama is not eligible to be president, a claim Obama spokesmen have described to WND as "garbage."

WND has reported on multiple legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen." The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Where's the proof Barack Obama was born in the U.S. or that he fulfills the "natural-born American" clause in the Constitution? If you still want to see it, join more than 290,000 others and sign up now!

Several of the cases have involved emergency appeals to the U.S. Supreme Court in which justices have declined to hear arguments. Among the cases turned down without a hearing at the high court have been petitions by Philip Berg, Cort Wrotnowski, Leo Donofrio and Taitz.

Military.com reported Easterling's concerns following WND's report and confirmed that Army officials said they were aware of the lieutenant's letter. The officials, Military.com said, are trying to balance the "military requirements under the Uniform Code of Military Justice versus critical freedoms that all Americans enjoy."

Commenters on the website called the soldier "a delusional racist," "moronic and irrelevent (sic)," and undeserving of his uniform.

However, some defended him.

"The questions about the POTUS and his birth were questions raised during the campaign – quite often in this website. This question was not always answered in a fashion which was clear cut yea or nay," said one forum contributor. "There are lawsuits ongoing – therefore there are other doubters."

Said another, "If anybody does their research they find out that a full investigation was conducted regarding McCain's eligibility (born on a military base on foreign soil), but no such investigation was done for BO. BO admits to traveling to Pakistan in 1981, when it was illegal to do so for US citizens at the time, how did he pull that off?

"Open your eyes, lemmmings (sic)," the participant wrote.

Another pointed out that the lieutenant certainly has a right to his opinion, but most importantly, he is staying true to his duty.

"All of your rhetoric truly makes me question your morality. Some of you say that this LT needs to be reprimanded in this way or that, but what you people forget to see through your blinders is that this LT is still fighting the fight, no matter what. He still is part of the reason you have the right to say the things you do. He still believes the American way of life is still precious and should stay that way no matter what. And whether he chooses his God given freedom to voice that God given right is up to him."

Another had a pointed comment about the entire issue.

"Why doesn't the president just put his credentials out there and stop all the speculation?"

Another member of the military who contacted WND, who identified himself only by his initials, explained: "I am in the United States Air Force and I had to produce my birth certificate to enter the service. What documents did Mr. Obama use to enter in the race for president? I had to produce my birth certificate to have a passport issued. Does Mr. Obama have a passport? What documents did he use to get it? My children have to produce their birth certificate to get a driver's license. Does Mr. Obama have a driver's license? What documents did he use to get it? I had to produce a birth certificate to get a Social Security number issued for me and my children. Does Mr. Obama have a Social Security number issued? What documents did he use to get it? "

Taitz explained the issue isn't resolved as many Obama supporters claim.

The "Certification of Live Birth" posted on the Internet actually doesn't confirm a birth location.

"[Hawaii] statute 138 allows foreign born children of HI residents to get HI [Certificates of Live Birth] and get them based on a statement of one relative only," she said.

She also said Hawaiian officials, while they confirmed a birth certificate exists, did not exclude the possibility it was "one obtained for a foreign born child."

She also cited Obama's immigration to Indonesia at age 5, when he was considered an Indonesian citizen.

Also, in a case being handled largely by Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation in California, lawyers hired to represent Obama have admitted that such disputes should have been resolved in Congress.

That case is seeking documentation of Obama's attendance at Occidental College, and in an effort to keep all of those records secret, a law firm has argued that state and federal courts have no authority over the case.

"Federal law establishes the procedure for election of the President and Vice President and provides the exclusive means for challenges to their qualifications," the court filing said. In the absence of objections filed by members of the Senate and House of Representatives, "which would have been resolved by those bodies," Obama was declared the president.

Here is a partial listing and status update for some of the cases over Obama's eligibility:

New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo has filed a case on behalf of Charles Kerchner and others alleging Congress didn't properly ascertain that Obama is qualified to hold the office of president.

Pennsylvania Democrat Philip Berg has three cases pending, including Berg vs. Obama in the 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, a separate Berg vs. Obama which is under seal at the U.S. District Court level and Hollister vs. Soetoro a/k/a Obama, brought on behalf of a retired military member who could be facing recall to active duty by Obama.


Leo Donofrio of New Jersey filed a lawsuit claiming Obama's dual citizenship disqualified him from serving as president. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court but denied a full hearing.

Cort Wrotnowski filed suit against Connecticut's secretary of state, making a similar argument to Donofrio. His case was considered in conference by the U.S. Supreme Court, but was denied a full hearing.

Former presidential candidate Alan Keyes headlines a list of people filing a suit in California, in a case handled by the United States Justice Foundation, that asks the secretary of state to refuse to allow the state's 55 Electoral College votes to be cast in the 2008 presidential election until Obama verifies his eligibility to hold the office. The case is pending, and lawyers are seeking the public's support.

Chicago attorney Andy Martin sought legal action requiring Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle to release Obama's vital statistics record. The case was dismissed by Hawaii Circuit Court Judge Bert Ayabe.


Lt. Col. Donald Sullivan sought a temporary restraining order to stop the Electoral College vote in North Carolina until Barack Obama's eligibility could be confirmed, alleging doubt about Obama's citizenship. His case was denied.


In Ohio, David M. Neal sued to force the secretary of state to request documents from the Federal Elections Commission, the Democratic National Committee, the Ohio Democratic Party and Obama to show the presidential candidate was born in Hawaii. The case was denied.


In Washington state, Steven Marquis sued the secretary of state seeking a determination on Obama's citizenship. The case was denied.


In Georgia, Rev. Tom Terry asked the state Supreme Court to authenticate Obama's birth certificate. His request for an injunction against Georgia's secretary of state was denied by Georgia Superior Court Judge Jerry W. Baxter.

California attorney Orly Taitz has brought a case, Lightfoot vs. Bowen, on behalf of Gail Lightfoot, the vice presidential candidate on the ballot with Ron Paul, four electors and two registered voters.
In addition, other cases cited on the RightSideofLife blog as raising questions about Obama's eligibility include:

In Texas, Darrel Hunter vs. Obama later was dismissed.

In Ohio, Gordon Stamper vs. U.S. later was dismissed.

In Texas, Brockhausen vs. Andrade.

In Washington, L. Charles Cohen vs. Obama.

In Hawaii, Keyes vs. Lingle, dismissed.
WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi had gone to both Kenya and Hawaii prior to the election to investigate issues surrounding Obama's birth. But his research and discoveries only raised more questions, the biggest being why, if there exists documentation of Obama's eligibility, hasn't it been released to quell the rumors.

Instead, a series of law firms have been hired on Obama's behalf around the nation to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, passport records, college records and other documents
 

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posted by sagefever on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:04 AM

http://www.factcheck.org/el... The article has got pretty pictures and everything.

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:28 AM

ya but none rebuking the above article about the major general joining the crusade

sooo whats ur point???

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:31 AM

And I'm sure the guy's the very model of a modern major general.

But his "information vegetable animal and mineral" is a bit off kilter.   Thank goodness he's retired--don't want someone *THAT* ill-informed working for the government anymore.

posted by tkozy on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:34 AM

Let’s not allow ourselves to believe that a rank of general officer denotes above average intelligence.

Or in fact sanity.

Or political bipartisanship.

There are thousands of active duty general officers in the Army alone.  Then thousands of retired and reserve general officers.

No doubt. Some have come up one congressman short of a quorum. It’s just the law of averages.

Lest someone complain that I as a veteran am demeaning toward another fellow veteran. Lets not forget that all of these troopers  are on the verge of mutiny in regards to their commander in chief.

posted by learnem on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:34 AM

wait, let me get this straight...he wants the truth from a politician??

 

good luck with that

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:36 AM

The truth is,  Childers can't *HANDLE* the truth.

posted by Lingtaowoo on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:44 AM

Childers is fighting the wrong war---the CIVIL war was already fought and decided long ago...he just needs to kick back--enjoy his pension / retirement...and have another mint julip....


posted by Shwaine on Feb 27, 2009 at 08:57 AM

Darn, RandomFactor beat me to the "you can't handle the truth" movie line.

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 09:51 AM

ya the old general is a real smuck..holds a legion of merit but hell any of you geniuses could do that

The Legion of Merit is one of only six United States decorations to be issued as a neck order (the others being the Medal of Honor, Public Safety Officer Medal of Valor, 9/11 Heroes Medal of Valor, Chaplain's Medal for Heroism and Presidential Medal of Freedom) and the only United States decoration which may be issued in award degrees (much like an Order of chivalry or certain Orders of Merit).[1][2]

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:00 AM

ya the old general is a real smuck..

You said it.  And that's "Schmuck."

 

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:11 AM

ah smuck schmuck they all look alike..may the spelling gods forgive me as i genuflect on my transgressions..and now I will remove the offending index finger of which forgot to add the ch and give the blood to all my libby friends...

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:15 AM

so whats your war record like RF??? Since you so highly value your own opinion you must be a fairly high ranking official..and a self appointed God isnt on the list

posted by sagefever on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:20 AM

That is the great thing about America~ we are all equal.

But we do owe our thanks to those who have served.

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:24 AM

so whats your war record like RF???

I don't have a war record, siouxcity.

In the United States of America that puts me on an equal footing with your Major General.   Who is, truth be told, an idiot.

Who gave him the Legion of Merit, Shrub?

 

posted by TSM on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:30 AM

100% of Childer's political contributions go to Republicans.  He was a McCain contributor.

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec...

So where's the surprise in his jumping on this lame bandwagon?

 

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:33 AM

And McCain, *ALSO* an LOM recipient, knows better than to question the documentation Obama has *ALREADY* supplied.

Being a soldier and being an idiot are not mutually incompossible.  And Shrub managed the second without being the first.

posted by TSM on Feb 27, 2009 at 10:36 AM

Being a soldier and being an idiot are not mutually incompossible

Colin Powell proved that when he went in front of the U.N. and knowingly gave false testimony.

 

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 11:03 AM

 Colon Powells an idiot and he backs 'O'

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 11:10 AM

RF In the United States of America that puts me on an equal footing with your Major General.   Who is, truth be told, an idiot.

 

there ya go folks... ya   first heard it here ..RF finally admits to being an idiot  without any prodding from  me

posted by randomfactor on Feb 27, 2009 at 11:43 AM

Knew you'd pick up on that. :)

But America allows each of us the opportunity to be an idiot.  Your pet "general" just shows it more often than I do.

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 Colon Powells an idiot and he backs 'O'

So does John McCain.

posted by Laurah on Feb 27, 2009 at 01:01 PM

Oh, come on, siouxcity. Is this the best you've got? Some crackpot major general - yes, I said crackpot - decides to sign on to a frivolous lawsuit. And, golly, the maj. gen. can't possibly have ANY motives besides his stated for "the truth":

Childers said there were a long list of reasons he didn't support Obama for president, including "his crime associates in the USA … his promise to make coal power industry bankrupt … his spread the wealth admission … his associations with foreign leaders unfriendly to the USA … (and his lack of) integrity."

Nope, no personal or political agenda there.

Give me a break from all this birth certificate nonsense. Please!

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 01:33 PM

Laurah..Hay tell ya what..Ill give you that break when he has all his high dollar lawyers back off and just produce the paper work..its so easy..I cant believe all the eggheads out here that are arguing in his favor about it..it  obviously hasnt been done to satisfy the people who really give a doo doo ..so why not do it and gain more support from the rest of us that have suspicions about it..it doesnt make sense and you fanatics can smuggly sit back and allow him to pull this off.

Its so easy to fix and would make life easier on everyone..the only reason I can figure he wont is because its all true..hes not an american citizen until he takes the one small step and goes national with his attorneys and lays it all on the table for review..

posted by siouxcityranch on Feb 27, 2009 at 01:39 PM

The scariest part of this is IF he is deported then Bozo Biden would be in charge..right now I feel that's why he picked that idiot because it would make people think twice about getting rid of him because his successor is such a JOKE...

posted by ALICEN on Feb 27, 2009 at 05:29 PM

SCR:  This is one of those mysteries unlikely to be solved in our lifetimes.  In the unlikely event that the worst suspicions are true (and in my opinion that's likely), what will happen is that they'll just pass another law so the big 0 can still squat in the WH.  I think that we are stuck with 0 unless 0 No. 2 needs to fill in.  You know -- the one that can't remember an Internet "number."  (And they called McCain computer-illiterate!)

 

posted by Shwaine on Feb 27, 2009 at 06:42 PM

Actually Alicen, everything on the Internet is accessed by a number called the IP address and often times also uses a second number called the port number. The name you type in the URL bar is purely there for the convenience of the human. A DNS server takes the name and translates it into the IP address number and then the computer uses the IP address and the port number for the connection. If you know the numbers, you can use those for the connection instead of the name.

A phone number would be a good analogy to how connections are handled on the Internet. You look up the name in the phone book, but the actual process of making a phone call is done with the number. If you don't remember the number or have no way of looking up the name, you aren't going to be making any calls. Likewise, if you don't remember the IP address and you can't query the DNS servers (as many of us with Brighthouse have experienced, particularly in December), you aren't going to be able to do much online.

So no, it's not that ridiculous to refer to web addresses as numbers. And to think of web addresses as analogous to phone numbers is not that far off base either.

posted by NancyII on Feb 27, 2009 at 07:01 PM

It's an easy fix to stop the speculation.  If I had one, I'd be happy to show everyone my birth certificate.

posted by tkozy on Feb 27, 2009 at 07:32 PM

Nancy an illegal. Round her up. Run her off....


posted by NancyII on Feb 27, 2009 at 09:04 PM

HA, I can never run for president.  Imgine that.  My dreams are shattered.

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