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siouxcityranch - > -> UPDATE: Alex was drowned, then placed in closet dryer by creepy neighbor boy.
UPDATE: Alex was drowned, then placed in closet dryer by creepy neighbor boy.

Police say the 4-year-old was playing outside his home when a 14-year-old neighbor boy brought Alex into his house and killed him. They won't say what the teen's motives were,but that's expected to be revealed when they officially charge him.

But according to those who knew him, the 14-year-old was the kind who creeped people out. "I used to sit next to him in class and he was the kind of kid that would creep me out," 13-year-old Miguel Amador told the Fresno Bee. "He was always looking at you, just staring at you."

Mendota City Councilman Joseph Riofrio says the same thing about the boy who would come into his video store with his mother. The teen would do weird things like wear a parka in the middle of the summer. More on this story as it develops...

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posted by BakoBeachBumm on Nov 3, 2009 at 10:45 PM

Not Again ...what is it with a society that  we have these kids that think they can do what ever and have no responsibility to the community? I am sure that he will get a court appointed psychologist who will testify that he is not responsible for HIS ACTIONS to which I say BULL.

 Again I have absolutely NO Compassion for the 14 year old boy who allegedly killed the 4 year old neighbor. If that is where the 14 year old starts his life of crime where does he go from here??  I DON'T CARE what problems the 14 year old boy might try to claim he has or whether he has emotional problems, He took the life of another!

I think that he should be sentenced to No Less than 20 years in prison, with no early release. 

posted by NancyII on Nov 3, 2009 at 10:52 PM

Sociopaths don't have social mores.  Not diagnosing from a distance but it's a pretty safe bet based on reported behaior.

posted by animalluvr on Nov 4, 2009 at 01:45 AM

Don't tell me he is going to be not guilty for reason of insanity. If so then i don't think that's justice, that's a bunch of BS. I say let the teen spend his whole life in jail, but i don't think that's going to happen. One thing is for sure is no one in there right mind could do such a thing.

 

posted by NancyII on Nov 4, 2009 at 02:24 AM

I think they call it mental defect now.  Sociopaths can't be cured or treated in the way people with schizo can.  It's something missing in their makeup that generally happens in "the formative years."  Never develops after the age of about 15.  It's an inability to connect with people as they never learned to "care."  I'll have to get out the old DSM for the criteria to be diagnosed as a sociopath.  They now call it antisocial personality disorder.

Our teacher in the DSM IV used to be a psychiatric nurse and that diagnosis was fascinating to me.  She sure had some stories to tell.

Remember The Bad Seed?

posted by learnem on Nov 4, 2009 at 03:12 AM

i wonder if this was a genetic malfunction, or purely environmental on the part of the killer?

thoughts and wishes out to the family during this sad time for them

RIP

posted by Vikingpride78 on Nov 4, 2009 at 12:02 PM

Nancy, I remember but just don't tell anyone the ending!

posted by NancyII on Nov 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM

Could be both but in a lot of cases it's the failure of a parent to bond with the child.  They never really learn how to relate to others.  Like kids left in palypens all day in orphanages with no interaction.  Where else will they learn it?  Then they have no remorse.  It really is a fascinating subject.

The problem is it's not diagnosed in too many cases and we have kids killing kids because they didn't share their roller blades.

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posted by BakoBeachBumm on Nov 4, 2009 at 05:45 PM

We need to Quit trying to be compassionate towards people that do these horrendous things as it falls on deaf emotions since they lack the basic ability to to relate with any sort of compassion. 

In fact because he KNEW what he did was wrong (he drown to 4 year old to keep him from telling his mother) because he furthered his crime by concealing the body in the dryer.

Send him to Florida to sit with Ole Smokey. That would be Justice. 

The ONLY compassion I have is for the little boy and his family that must be suffering at this time trying to understand why this happened. 

posted by jewel1325 on Nov 4, 2009 at 06:43 PM

Totally agree!  What a creep this teen is.


posted by girlsmom on Nov 4, 2009 at 07:32 PM

I have a very close friend who was married to a sociopath,(she didn't know he was a sociopath until later~then found out his entire family was mentally ill~both parents and sibs) they had one child who from the day she was born was off. Didn't like to be held or touched, just like the hubby, and it wasn't until she remarried and had other kids did she realize this about her daughter since the other kids were normal regular babies. this daughter was smart but always something different about her~but one of those things you just couldn't put your finger on. the daughter is grown now and has no conscience about what she does to other people~has given my friend so much trouble that she has nothing to do with her now. the dad left years ago when she was only 2 so it was not a "learned" behavior. And because they can not be fixed in any way shape or form they need to be locked up forever just to protect society from them. Maybe for these mentally ill people they could make the lock ups a little nicer, but keep them locked up just the same. It isn't their fault they are mentally ill. He did beat my friend up which is why she left him. They are very savvy and charming for short periods of time and that is how this daughter is too. When a consult was done at UCLA NPI they said it is inherited not learned. UCLA made my friend feel good by saying she was lucky she was not dead after what he had done to her.

This is a very tragic ending for a very sweet little boy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

posted by MyTwoCents on Nov 4, 2009 at 10:10 PM

Raul Renato Castro has been charged in Fresno County as an adult, with special circumstances including murder during a child molestation, sodomy, kidnapping and murder of a witness to prevent testimony, according to the district attorney's office.

He faces separate felony charges of kidnapping, sodomy and child molestation.

posted by learnem on Nov 5, 2009 at 07:55 AM

i might be going out on a limb here, but how the hell does a 14 yr old boy know how to commit sodomy?  Unless he himself was a victim of molestation.

im not trying to make excuses for him either....jail is too good for him

makes you wonder what the hell is going on with this kid's parents

posted by Amyand4 on Nov 8, 2009 at 05:27 PM

I find it amazing that as a society we feel no responsibility for what we raised (reaped). No child is born evil nor are they born with defects that leave them missing the moral codes. It is a learned behavior. Or maybe a behavior that was never taught that was wrong. Everyone learns by example, everyone learns by experience. It doesn't help the person that was wronged to know this but it doesn't give everyone else the excuse to throw the stone. My heart and emotions go out to this little boys family. My prayers go out for my own. In a world based on accusations instead of companions, we all find it hard to concentrate on the one we could be helping. Before you look at someone and try to know what is in their head while they do what they do, look at yourself and remember what you tried to do to make someone Else's situation better. For them and not for you. It is a very selfish and self centered world we live in right now. He is only 14. How much of what you did when you were 14 was based off of what you were taught or not taught. Remember in the next story you hear about some teenager shooting another teenager, it's the same thing as in this story. Misguided or unloved, undeserved children hurting just the same.

 

posted by conniewoodruff on Nov 8, 2009 at 11:08 PM

OK, so, many people saw this kid as "weird" and never did or said anything?  What about his teachers?  Did they see anything unusual in this "creepy kid"?  I would like to slap everyone who has the nerve to say this kid was creepy and weird and never allerted anyone.  I know we are not all psychiatrist, but common sense must turn a light on somewhere.  What about his parents?  Did they see something wrong and ignore it?  They too should be held responsible.  The mother of the dead child said she thought the kid was "creepy".  Why, in God's name, would she leave her four year old child in the care of this family?

posted by NancyII on Nov 9, 2009 at 05:17 AM

Children can be and some ARE born with the defect and as I mentioned above, environment can also play a part..  Below are the markers.

"In the past, the presence of three behavioral markers, known as the Macdonald triad, was found in some children who went on to develop sociopathy. The triad consists of bedwetting, a tendency to abuse animals, and pyromania.[20]

The APD etiology is currently associated with abusive, chaotic, or emotionally deprived home environments and with low socioeconomic status and urban settings. However, there are concerns that this diagnosis is misapplied to individuals in which this behavioral strategy is contingent with economic or other survival[21]. APD is also highly co-morbid with ADHD and Substance-Abuse Disorders[21].

Current neuropsychology recognizes that in addition to the outwardly antisocial behaviors (lying, manipulation, and disregard for the law or other people), APD individuals show impairment in both their orbitofrontal cortex (problems with task-switching and other executive functioning) and their amygdala (shown through their impaired fear response and emotional reaction)[18][22]. APD patients also have poor fear conditioning (which implicates the hippocampus) and show a general under-arousal to stimuli[23]. Indeed, in children as young as three, a slower heart rate correlates with aggression (though not specifically psychopathy"

See the article on wiki from the DSM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If you don't trust wiki, you can access the DSM directly on line.

 

 

 

posted by NancyII on Nov 9, 2009 at 05:20 AM

The article says the little boy was playing in his yard when the 14 year old neighbor took him into his house.  Doesn't sound like the little boy was in the care of that family.

posted by sagefever on Nov 9, 2009 at 08:29 AM

The Bad Seed~ after allowing me to watch that film, my adoptive mother "explained "  I was adopted. Not a recommended method.

What a tragedy for the family of this child.

 

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