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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> Hard to be Wal-Mart
Hard to be Wal-Mart
Get a tissue ready. This is a story on how hard it is sometimes to be Wal-Mart.

You're a huge firm. You have the biggest truck fleet in the world. And as such, some people don't like you.

So you reach out to them.

The Bentonville, Ark.-based company is joining the corporate advisory council of the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Not everyone is feeling good about the company's attempts at diversity.

Including gay and lesbian groups, who feel Wal-Mart doesn't pay so well and has lousy benefits.

And so-called American family groups think Wal-Mart is selling out its traditional values.

Does this make you feel sorry for Wal-Mart because it's so hard for them to please people?

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posted by anonymous on Sep 10, 2006 at 03:53 PM

Crogers...I agree with you about this! It's nice to have smart people like you in this community. Wake up people! We need jobs in this town. Better yet, we need more working people in this town. Less taxes to pay for welfare :)

posted by ccrogers on Sep 10, 2006 at 03:38 PM
I can't believe all the whining about walmart. It is so useless. Does anyone really believe bakersfield cares about big business here? I have lived here all my life and i like it  here, but please look at all the housing growth on the east side.Instead of worring about walmart. What about the fact that we have no new freeways it absorb all the traffic. I can't wait until about 2 years when the west bound traffic on hwy.178 early in morning bogs down all the way to fairfax. Wow it would be nice to have a supercenter in the east area to help with the traffic. No let's just listen to HarveyHall talk about all the great business coming to b-town. Oh yes walmart employes about 400 people, how many people work at Greenfrog market?
posted by tonyh on Aug 28, 2006 at 10:05 AM
Hey,

It wasn't too many years ago the Sears & Robuck was THE largest retail organization in the world. Montgomery Ward and JC Penney were right at their heels.Well, Montgomery Ward doesn't even exist anymore and Sears and Penney's are just a hollow shell of their former selves. How long did all of that take? (Not Too Long)


It can happen faster than you think.
posted by NancyII on Aug 28, 2006 at 09:49 AM
The thing I find ironic is that Levi treated Floyds poorly then had to kow tow to WM for the business.

What goes around comes around.  Hopefully.  What ticks me off is that when someones says "they'll get theres one day" I probably won't be around to see it.  That's just not right.  ;-)
posted by dgrealish on Aug 28, 2006 at 09:30 AM
Charles Fishman, writer for Fast Company is also the author of The Wal Mart Effect.  The information in this article is in the book I mention.  It is enlightening.
posted by NancyII on Aug 27, 2006 at 11:45 PM
Here's an article on the Floyds / Levi situation.  And people thought only WM treated it's vendors poorly?

http://www.findarticles.com...
posted by NancyII on Aug 27, 2006 at 11:26 PM
The article I read was about WM.  I forgot the deal with Floyds.  Maybe they didn't order enough to warrent the contract?  But it was WM that they lowered their quality of denim for.  I'll see if I can find the article.  II was mistaken about the statement I made about the situation between WM and Levi.  This is the link to the article I read.  Be sure to click on the "Mand who Said No To WM".

http://www.fastcompany.com/...  The WM you don't know.  Includes the article about Snapper Mowers.  The one I couldn't remember.
posted by bakonative on Aug 27, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Nancy II - was it Floyd's with the Levi issue?
posted by NancyII on Aug 26, 2006 at 11:22 PM
As retail goes, WM has always been more than fair to employees here in Bakersfield.  It's only recently that they've started to really cut back.  When I started there you had to be there 90 days to get benefits.  I'm told now it's 6 months.  I paid the same for my share of insurance as I do now with my current employer.  I get more holidays now, and my vacation time has accrued faster.   I make more money now but that's because of school and training which everyone has the opportunity to do.  For me, it was never meant to be a career....it was a job until I could get through school.  I took the job as an over-Christmas temp thing (having quit the food and beverage biz due to severe burnout) and ended up staying almost 4 years.  I worked hard, gave it  my best, showed up for work...on time, and was rewarded for it by getting quite a few raises while I was there.  Some slacked off,  came in late, went home early, or not at all, and complained because they didn't make enough money.  Where are the unfair labor practices there?

I'm not defending WM now because I've been gone too long to know all of the goings on.  But I defended it when I worked there because in spite of all the Union lies, and the detractors, I knew what was going on.  Don't get me wrong, the thought of working there in that zoo again gives me the heebie jeebies but I will always try to be fair and I don't let my dislike for something keep me from seeing another side.  When that side is presented honestly and not out of maliciousness that is.

AND..I buy all my TP and most sundries and houselhold cleaning products there.  I buy a few tops there because I don't want to wear them for 20 years.  In short, I buy where I can get a good deal.  I have to admit, I usually only go once a month for that sort of thing.  I can't take it there much more often than that.
posted by Shsrebel10 on Aug 26, 2006 at 11:04 PM
As far as Wal-Mart getting all their products from China, just about every department store and 50% of our products were from China, and most of the other 50% from Mexico.  So either way you look at it, most of our products are from cheap labor countries, and most likely contributing to Chinese unions.  Wal-Mart isn't the only company guilty of this.  Target, Ross, JC Penny's, and Sears are all guilty of this as well.  

Now as far as wal-mart paying employee's cheap and having horrible benefits, working at Vons and Albertsons you have to wait a full year before you get medical benefits, Wal-Mart gives medical benefits even to seasonal employees.  Yes, Wal-Mart does have some bad business practices, but their not the only company guilty of cheap labor, chinese unions, low wages, bad benefits exc.
posted by NancyII on Aug 26, 2006 at 08:38 PM

I have a couple of things that agree and question comments made above. One is that when I worked at WM most of the people I worked around were full time employees. I don't know the statistics of how many mom and pop stores were put out of businees by WM opening here but would you figure that enough closed that 150 employees lost their job? And how many mom and pop type stores offer insurance, 401K, stock options, sick days, personal leave time, yearly bonuses and paid vacations? Those were the good things about WM.

 

Now..the bad..and it had to come. I read an article that bears out DG’s comment about inferior material with a name brand. Levi is one. WM told them to cut their prices or they would be taken out of the stores. To keep the business Levi started using thinner material to make their jeans and lowered the price. I’m trying to remember the name but ut was a name brand mower/yard machine that refused to sell to WM any more because their smaller dealers were losing money.

As for the employees now. I’m told that they only hire part time employees and that theirs a cap on how much anyone, depending on their position, can make in their time with WM. Gone are the incentives to keep shrink down or to perform in an outstanding way. Gone are the merit raises and, I imagine, the bonuses we used to get.

 

One thing is for sure..you hit the nail on the head too...Sam Walton would be devastated at the underhanded tactics WM now uses. He was a tough old bird but he and his wife also knew that to have a successful store you had to treat the employees right. And you had to be honest.

Now it’s all about the bottom line. Aren’t the Walton children something Daddy can be proud of?

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Aug 26, 2006 at 05:31 PM
It's really simple.  You need competition for a free market.  No competition, no free market.  In every case, whether it's Wal-Mart or outrageous CEO or professional athlete salaries, these happen when market forces are not in free play.

Go ahead; prove us wrong; start up a retail chain willy-nilly that will put Wal-Mart to shame.

A real free market sees to the continued existence of competition.  It is not standing by while one big weed takes over the garden.
posted by dgrealish on Aug 26, 2006 at 05:03 PM
Erik, I also meant they put their suppliers out of business.  It's a well documented fact.  One US company that had been in business for over 100 years went belly up after trying to keep up with Wal Mart's demands for lower prices.  Wal Mart starts them out at a reasonable price, but wants them lowered each year.  It's a demand suppliers can't keep up with unless they move out of country and make quality changes.  And sometimes it's just not enough.  Sure, Wal Mart keeps prices down, bur American jobs are lost in the process.  American company's are lost in the process.  I'll need to look up the stat, but for every Wal Mart that opens in a town, more jobs are lost than gained. 
posted by tonyh on Aug 26, 2006 at 03:38 PM

Erik,

When I posted about Wal-mart putting their suppliers out of business, I meant what I said. This Happened. Then, Wal-mart went overseas looking for suppliers because most of the domestic companies left, wouldn't do business with them. I'll bet Sam Walton is turning over in his grave right now. His kids don't have the same level of integrity as he did. This same strategy almost killed Sears because they didn't sell Groceries.


Try telling the Power Company, Telephone Company or your Mortgage Company that, starting now, you'll be paying all of your bills 4 months late. I hope it works out for you like it does for Wal-mart.


posted by TomW on Aug 26, 2006 at 01:25 PM
Personnally, I can't afford to shop at WalMart.  Maybe I don't buy enough clutter-type items, but when I buy something, I don't want to have to buy it again every year.  You save a lot of money buying something at twice the price if it lasts 5 times as long.
posted by dgrealish on Aug 26, 2006 at 12:31 PM

ericbako, it's not just the employees who are paying for the lower prices you enjoy at Wal Mart.  You'd be hard pressed to call me a liberal.  Hell, I even have a few shares of Wal Mart stock in my portfolio.  But I will not support a company who built itself up on Buying American and has forced its suppliers to outsource jobs over seas.  Not only that, but the tactics they use to keep prices down have forced many of their suppliers into bankruptcy.  Others have chose to discontinue supplying them rather than hurt their smaller "Mom and Pop" retailers who wouldn't be able to purchase their products for the price Wal Mart was selling them.  But the truth is, they weren't the same product.  They just had the same name.  The product sold at Wal Mart was made from inferior material to keep manufacturing cost down.  But consumers don't know this.  All they see is I can get it at Mom and Pop's for $299 or Wal Mart for $189.  As far as the consumer is concerned, It ain't rocket science.  They'll take the lower priced Wal Mart product, then complain how ABC's products aren't what they used to be.  This, ericbako is just a small part of the high cost of Wal Mart's lower prices.

posted by Hardliner4freedom on Aug 26, 2006 at 09:00 AM
Y'know, on the grocery strike issue, I have to agree with Erik.

To go on strike and picket amounts to asking the public to be sympathetic to your cause and to help you get your way by refusing to cross the picket lines.

But when your pay and benefits are already far better than nearly anyone else doing comparable work, you won't get much sympathy.

Instead, you'll get mocking cries of "awww, poor baby, welcome to the real world."  In my opinion, that weakens the position of unions in the public's eyes -- and unions depend on public support for leverage when they decide to strike.

While I acknowledge the point of some of the highest-paid workers being restricted to 25 hours per week, the objection still stands.  To get paid that much for doing 25 hours of unskilled work per week leaves you 15 hours more free time than a worker who works 40 hours for less total pay.  A 25-hour work week leaves a lot of time for second jobs if finances are that tight.

I believe the free market is the best way to deal with wage and benefits issues.  However, that is not to say that mega-corporations like Wal-Mart should be able to take over towns unopposed.  There has long been legal jusitfication for preventing one or two giants from squeezing everyone else out of business -- because a local monopoly or oligopoly is not a free market.
posted by tonyh on Aug 25, 2006 at 08:51 PM

Hey Adampayne,
You're exactly right about almost everything you said. Almost all of  Wal-mart merchendise is made off-shore, but not exclusively in China. Wal-mart pulled a Sears & Robuck tactic on its American suppliers. Once they became the large majority of a Factory's business, they started demanding price cuts each year, or they'd pull ALL of their business and leave them high and dry. They also started stretching out payment to their suppliers as much as 120 days, rather than the standard "net 30" deal. That lets them operate on their suppliers' money for 4 months, at no more than 1% interest. These tactics killed a lot of privately owned factories in rural America. It crippled many more. There are a lot of small communities in this Nation that rely on those factory jobs for livelyhood. It's a heartbraker to watch happen. I know this first-hand.


The reason that they're doing the Union thing in China is because the Chinese Government required it, as a stipulation for them to continue doing business in their Country. If they violate it, the Government will nationalize their assets and throw them out, like they've done with other American Companies.

posted by dgrealish on Aug 25, 2006 at 08:27 PM
I haven't shopped at Wal Mart since reading The Wal Mart Effect.  It's the most unbiased book written on Wal Mart to date.  It opened my eyes to the high cost of low prices.  On another Wal Mart note, this is worth checking out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
posted by anonymous on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:57 PM
Naw, never
posted by MyLefteFoot on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:52 PM
Walmart profits are down in Japan.  I wonder why? You would think they would like Walmart's One size fits everything mentality.
posted by anonymous on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:50 PM
Do you know that the Wal-mart stores in China just stocked a new item?  Communist party clubs...geez they are sooooo capitalist.

But I guess money has no political party or conscience.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:46 PM
What I dislike about Wal-Mart is a bit more basic.

I hate being jammed like so many head of cattle into unusably narrow aisles.  It means I have to enter through the "back" checkout, grab a bicycle horn from the bicycle section, carry it around with me so I can "Honk! Honk!" when some bozo's blocking the aisle with the cart.  Then when I'm ready to check out, I have to put the bicycle horn back and fight my way to the checkstands.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:40 PM
Actually, there's a lot of moaning about major oil companies putting independents out of business.

I can't fault you for not being aware of it, though.  It's hard for them to be heard, given the fact that there are no real liberal voices in the media.
posted by anonymous on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:33 PM

But it's okay for Costco, who endorsed John Kerry for President???????

Target has more square footage in Bakersfield, than does Walmart.  

Von's and Albertson's put all the mid-size chains out of business such as 11-C, Mayfair markets, Thriftimart, et cetera.  They said "Too bad; we're a better deal for the consumer."  Then they want protection from Walmart, acting as though they are now the "little guy."

WalMart is just a convenient target (get it?) because they are #1.  Why no moaning because all the major oil companies put the mom and pop oil companies out of business?

Look at the label on all the crap all you liberals buy at Taret.  It is al made in China, by the same 10 year olds in slave labor factories.  Don't think you are so righteous, buying your junk at Target.  Target is no great place to work wither.  Most of the people who work there are part-time, receiving no benefits. 

If you can put up with the trashy people who are omnipresent at WalMart, you will save some money there. 

 

posted by mattloch on Aug 25, 2006 at 04:27 PM
Yea, because that's where all their troubles lie: the gay and lesbian community. They've turned tens, if not hundreds of thousands of people into "working poor", where a goodly percentage of them work and still are eligible for food stamps and Medicaid, discriminating against minority and female managers, hiring illegal aliens to clean and locking them inside stores, driving American companies to use overseas manufacturing, their anti-union tactics (legal and illegal), on and on, that has nothing to do with their problems. I'm sure this will be a watershed moment in the corporation's history. This will be what turns them around. This will make America realize that they're not as horrible as people think they are.
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Unless they're planning on moving into the group, co-opting them from the inside, and turning it into a husk of it's former self. Now that they have experience in...
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Aug 25, 2006 at 03:59 PM
That's the bright side of capitalism.  There's nothing quite like the bottom line to induce people to be tolerant and inclusive.
posted by ProgressivePete2 on Aug 25, 2006 at 03:53 PM
This is exactly what they deserve for trying to mix business with politics. They've aligned themselves with the republican party and the "family" groups and are now suffering the consequences. Maybe Americans aren't as gullible as they think we are.
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