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401 (k), do these things really work?
Pamela Yip of the Dallas Morning News wrote a story about how the 401 (k) is transforming.
It says that the average 401 (k) balance is $62,500. There is some talk about making 401 (k)s more automatic and universal, and assuring company matches. But my question is — does anyone live on these things? How much money do you have to have in it to get any kind of decent return for your retirement? The story says 401 (k)s were set up as a supplemental pension plan. That implies it's not a real pension plan. I'm a little skeptical on how this will work out, and whether it means workers will have to stay on the job until they are 75 in order to get any livable retirement benefits. Posted by Steve E. Swenson 14 comments from 9 users
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posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Sep 11, 2006 at 08:51 AM
posted by
NancyII
on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:04 AM
posted by
NancyII
on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:11 AM
Not to be confrontational..but a polite request. Thanks posted by
tonyh
on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:21 AM
Any time you can collect interest on untaxed money, it's a good thing. Employer matching makes it a really good thing. If a person starts contributing to a 401K with their first employer, straight out of College, They can have a nice nest egg at retirement. Notice that I said that they COULD. Most 401K accounts allow you to chose the way the money is invested. Obviously, earnings go up with the amount of risk associated with aggressive investments. When a person is young, they should be willing to accept a higher level of risk than someone 5 years away from retirement. The faster a person can build their account balance in the beginning, the faster it will compound over time. It's THE best long term investment that anybody can make. If a company doesn't offer 401K, I won't accept employment with them. posted by
NancyII
on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:31 AM
posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:10 AM
Actually, I think working until 75 to get a livable retirement (and preserve Social Security) is inevitable. . Keep in mind that when Social Security was first implemented, average life expectancy wasn't much greater than retirement age. The average Social Security recipient only lived long enough for a few years of benefits. posted by
NancyII
on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:35 AM
An old sort of joke came to me the other day. I hope the last check I write is to the undertaker...and it bounces. posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:41 AM
Working in my later years doesn't really bother me. I used to dream of retiring early. Now I look forward to being active and productive in my 70s and beyond. posted by
anonymous
on Sep 11, 2006 at 11:21 AM
I had a pension as well as a 457 for my retirement but a financial advisor advised me to roll over the 457 into a 401k that the State had started for its employees, What a stupid move. I kept it for two years after retirement and it actually lost money, perhaps had I kept it it would have made money, but when you retire waiting for that plan to improve is not an option unless you want a better coffin.
If these plans actually made money for the average person, employers would not offer them. But I still have my pension plan that while not extravagant is sufficient. posted by
NancyII
on Sep 11, 2006 at 11:27 AM
The length of time to be vested varies from employer to employer but generally it's 5-10 years. My ex used to work for Shell and at that time 5 years was vested. Where I work now it's 10 years. I don't think that's an unreasonalbe length of time.
As for retiring early..I always knew I would work part time after the retirement age. For one thing, like H4F, I'll want the extra yenom, and the other thing is that I would turn into a vegetative reclusive couch potato if I stopped working. The few times I was off work for 6 months or so, I became more and more housebound. Nope..I need the activity. posted by
anonymous
on Sep 11, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Posted by Drummel: Funny joke about the undertaker, Nancy. posted by
anonymous
on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Nancy, I got laid off by Exxon, 4 days before vesting. :<)
posted by
steveeswenson
on Sep 12, 2006 at 08:21 AM
I still would like to hear if anyone knows of someone who has retired on one of these things. posted by
SCHLEP
on Sep 13, 2006 at 10:08 AM
I started withdrawals at age 59 1/2, from my 401K, non-taxably. Is it enough for me to live on? Not by itself, but none of us are guaranteed to live to a ripe old age. I retired 5 years ago and have not regretted it. I still keep busy with online investments and keeping an eye on a few rentals. I work about 20 hours a week, but with a whole different attitude than when I worked for some cranky skinflint boss. My advice to younger people is to save, and not just save and then spend it when it accumulates. Put it where you can't get it. Not just an IRA but some type of irrevocable trust. I probably pissed away a couple of million. Hang on to it.
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