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talkofthetown - > Talk of the Town -> 401 (k), do these things really work?
401 (k), do these things really work?
Pamela Yip of the Dallas Morning News wrote a story about how the 401 (k) is transforming.

It says that the average 401 (k) balance is $62,500.

There is some talk about making 401 (k)s more automatic and universal, and assuring company matches.

But my question is — does anyone live on these things? How much money do you have to have in it to get any kind of decent return for your retirement?

The story says 401 (k)s were set up as a supplemental pension plan. That implies it's not a real pension plan.

I'm a little skeptical on how this will work out, and whether it means workers will have to stay on the job until they are 75 in order to get any livable retirement benefits.

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posted by ProgressivePete2 on Sep 11, 2006 at 08:51 AM
Live on them? No. 401k's do work, and they work well. I wouldn't have a house right now if it weren't for mine. Of course it's gone, but at least I've got the house to show for it. My current employer doesn't offer any thing as great as a 401k. I encourage anyone that can to put in at least as much as your company can match. You won't miss the money, but you'll be amazed at the growth. Liveable retirement benefits? I don't know about that. At least Bush hasn't taken our Social Security away, although he still really wants to.
posted by NancyII on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:04 AM
As I see it, you get double the amount you put in if you stay with that company until you are vested.  I can't see that doubling your money could be a bad thing at any time.  If you leave before you are fully vested, you'll generally only be able to take the part that YOU contirbuted..plus the interest it accrued.  Alway, always sign up for your companies 401k plan if they offer it and match..  And like Pete said...put in as much as you can possibly afford.  Most companies will match you dollar for dollar up to their max point.
posted by NancyII on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:11 AM
C'mon Pete.  The Bush comment wasn't  necessary.  The question was about 401k plans..not about SS.  I'm not defending Bush's ideas about SS..it should never be privatized, you and I agree on that, but it would be nice to see a question asked and answered without making it an opportunity to jab Bush.  Sometimes people are just asking questions not looking for a lecture on Bush.

Not to be confrontational..but a polite request.
Thanks
posted by tonyh on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:21 AM
Your 401K contributions are also PRE-TAX, so you don't pay income tax on what you put in. This could lower your income tax bracket.

Any time you can collect interest on untaxed money, it's a good thing. Employer matching makes it a really good thing. If a person starts contributing to a 401K with their first employer, straight out of College, They can have a nice nest egg at retirement. Notice that I said that they COULD. Most 401K accounts allow you to chose the way the money is invested. Obviously, earnings go up with the amount of risk associated with aggressive investments. When a person is young, they should be willing to accept a higher level of risk than someone 5 years away from retirement. The faster a person can build their account balance in the beginning, the faster it will compound over time.

It's THE best long term investment that anybody can make. If a company doesn't offer 401K, I won't accept employment with them.
posted by NancyII on Sep 11, 2006 at 09:31 AM
I forgot about the pretax thing Tony...thanks for bringing that up.  Hopefully, when we start to draw on our nest eggs, we will be in a lower tax bracket so the pre tax issue becomes really important.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:10 AM

Actually, I think working until 75 to get a livable retirement (and preserve Social Security) is inevitable.

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Keep in mind that when Social Security was first implemented, average life expectancy wasn't much greater than retirement age.  The average Social Security recipient only lived long enough for a few years of benefits.
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Today, we have quite a few people who can reasonably expect to live long enough to collect 10, 15, even 20 years of benefits.  That's a big difference.
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"Retirement at age 65" was so ingrained in our culture for so long that the resistance to raising it to 75 would be enormous.  We pushed it to 67 to qualify for full benefits, but even that was under some protest.  But the time for it is coming.  (The absurdly low retirement ages for public employees, 55 or 60, is something whose strain we're already feeling.  But that's another topic.)
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Of course, part of what is boosting life expectancies is modern health care.  The fact that these life expectancies depend on lots of health care in our older years means that another institution is likewise inevitable: universal health coverage.

posted by NancyII on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:35 AM
Unless Prince Charming comes riding into my life with a fat wallet, I'll be working until I'm at least 75 so I'm trying to stash away as much as possible while I can.

An old sort of joke came to me the other day.  I hope the last check I write is to the undertaker...and it bounces.
posted by Hardliner4freedom on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:41 AM

Working in my later years doesn't really bother me.  I used to dream of retiring early.  Now I look forward to being active and productive in my 70s and beyond.
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The new trend will likely be what I have in mind: partial retirement.  Work part time, have more free time, yet still supplement the ol' bank account.

posted by anonymous on Sep 11, 2006 at 11:21 AM
I had a pension as well as a 457 for my retirement  but a financial advisor  advised me to roll over the 457 into a 401k that the State had started for its employees, What a stupid move.  I kept it for two years after retirement  and it actually lost money, perhaps had I kept it it would have made money, but when you retire waiting for that plan to improve is not an option unless you want a better coffin.

If these plans actually made money for the average person, employers would not offer them. But I still have my pension plan that while not extravagant is sufficient.
posted by NancyII on Sep 11, 2006 at 11:27 AM

The length of time to be vested varies from employer to employer but generally it's 5-10 years.  My ex used to work for Shell and at that time 5 years was vested.  Where I work now it's 10 years.  I don't think that's an unreasonalbe length of time.

 

As for retiring early..I always knew I would work part time after the retirement age.  For one thing, like H4F, I'll want the extra yenom, and the other thing is that I would turn into a vegetative reclusive couch potato if I stopped working.  The few times I was off work for 6 months or so, I became more and more housebound.  Nope..I need the activity.

posted by anonymous on Sep 11, 2006 at 12:30 PM

Posted by Drummel:

Good comments so far. You would be foolish to not max out the company contribution. Where I work it's 2 for 1 meaning I can max out my company's contribution with half of my contribution which is pretty good. Managing the 401k is a bit dicey though.  Right now my portfolio is toward the high risk side which I will change as I approach retirement age.

Funny joke about the undertaker, Nancy.

posted by anonymous on Sep 11, 2006 at 10:45 PM
Nancy, I got laid off by Exxon, 4 days before vesting.  :<)
posted by steveeswenson on Sep 12, 2006 at 08:21 AM
10 years is an outrageous amount of time to be vested. It's 3 years here.

I still would like to hear if anyone knows of someone who has retired on one of these things.
posted by SCHLEP on Sep 13, 2006 at 10:08 AM

I started withdrawals at age 59 1/2, from my 401K, non-taxably.  Is it enough for me to live on?  Not by itself, but none of us are guaranteed to live to a ripe old age. I retired 5 years ago and have not regretted it.  I still keep busy with online investments and keeping an eye on a few rentals.  I work about 20 hours a week, but with a whole different attitude than when I worked for some cranky skinflint boss.  My advice to younger people is to save, and not just save and then spend it when it accumulates.  Put it where you can't get it.  Not just an IRA but some type of irrevocable trust.  I probably pissed away a couple of million.  Hang on to it.

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