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Should tips be mandatory?
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Restaurants charge mandatory tips. At 20 percent. Making tips a part of the bill is being proposed by some waiters. Fairtip.org founder Yakup Ulutas, a former waiter and now restaurant manager Atlanta, wants eateries to implement an automatic 20 percent service fee to replace the current practice of tipping. An Associated Press story noted that such a procedure would be preferable to one incident in which a waiter, unhappy with a small tipper, rushed out of the restaurant and stabbed him. I belong to Sundale Country Club which has 15 percent tips as part of the bill. I love the servers and have no problem with that. I sometimes give them more. But 15 percent for me is the standard. Bad service doesn't get as much. Great service sometimes gets more. But in no way would I support mandatory tips at all restaurants. And certainly not at 20 percent. I grew up when it was 10 percent, the same as a church tithe. I've gotten over if it's good enough for God, it's good enough for servers. What do you think? Posted by Steve E. Swenson 22 comments from 17 users
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posted by
mattloch
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:03 AM
This may not even boost their overall paychecks, if the Republicans have their way in making minimum wage not apply to wait staff. You earn minimum wage in tips, your boss owes you nothing. Seems like this is just a way for business owners to make more money. posted by
Hardliner4freedom
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:05 AM
posted by
robbwillis
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:17 AM
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:28 AM
No, tips should not be manditory, unless it's a big party. posted by
dgrealish
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:39 AM
Fifteen percent is my standard tip. Let me decide if the service was worth more or less. In Miami, Fla 1980, we were followed out of a restaurant by the waiter after leaving a 20% tip. He said it wasn't enough because he had to split it with the bus boy, salad and wine stewards. Gimme a break. posted by
robbwillis
on Sep 14, 2006 at 10:46 AM
posted by
marsh
on Sep 14, 2006 at 11:55 AM
A very simple solution . . . refuse to patronize those places that require mandatory tipping.
Having worked many years as a host and waiter, I know those folks rely on tips for their day-to-day survival. It's no secret that minimum wage isn't enough. However, mandatory tipping isn't the answer, unless you want lousy service! Marsh posted by
robbwillis
on Sep 14, 2006 at 12:16 PM
posted by
goldiloxff
on Sep 14, 2006 at 01:02 PM
I would refuse to dine in an establishment that includes the tip (automatically) on my tab. The only time this is acceptable is if the party is 8+ ppl...
I am a very generous tipper, since I previously worked in that field for 10 years, BUT, with that being said, I am also a very PICKY customer, if the service sucks, their tip will suck too ! Len posted by
cajunbayoukitty
on Sep 14, 2006 at 01:26 PM
posted by
koztarr
on Sep 14, 2006 at 02:17 PM
A friend tells the story of going to a credit union meeting in the islands [nice Board Member perk] and finding out he had been tipping 20% automatically on top of the 15% he was leaving on the table! Automatic grats need to be well published. posted by
TomW
on Sep 14, 2006 at 04:44 PM
posted by
TomW
on Sep 14, 2006 at 11:28 PM
posted by
socalharleyhoney
on Sep 15, 2006 at 06:55 AM
This concept might work if the restaurant would take disciplinary action or give the consumer a discount/free meal ticket if the service was so poor that an automatically added tip wasn't earned. Most restaurants make good service a priority, with server's employment being at risk. If you automatically add gratuity to a tab, you'd better be prepared to give the consumer 120% of what they're being charged for. I'm not so sure I agree with you about a national chain not being as selective. Let me correct myself, they may not be as selective in the hiring process, but I'll tell you that if you have the time and the energy to complain to the "right" person you'll get results. Most restaurant chains/corporations keep track of individual store complaints, this can/does directly effect the store manager's paycheck, recognition, performance track record, bonuses, and it goes right up the line to the district manager. Too many complaints and the manager just might be dismissed. Disciplinary write-ups are the norm for chains which is rarer to see in "mom and pop" or smaller establishments. Most people complain about service by not tipping, but that doesn't necessarily go any further than the server who will often just consider you a "cheapskate" and share his/her opinion of you with coworkers. This lends itself to a server giving you "revenge" service in the future instead of taking it as a hint to give you better service in the future. It does nothing to make the establishment aware of a problem or give them a chance to correct a problem. I know... who has the time to "police", make a scene, or be considered a pain in the rear and who really cares if the establishment gives you a complimentary dessert for your trouble, it just melted in the car on the way home adding insult to injury. posted by
NancyII
on Sep 15, 2006 at 07:17 AM
As a former server I appreciated the added on tip (for large parties only) and yes, some left cash also, but for regular tables I think it's a bad idea. As as customer I want to decided whether or not the server deserves 15-20-25 %..I don't want it assumed that the service will warrant it. I'm already paying to have my meal delivered to me...a tip is an extra thank you..not a fee. I used to have people complain that a tiny glass of orange juice cost a buck fifty when they could buy a carton at the store for that amount. I always WANTED to say "then go buy one, take it home, and pour it yourself." But I never did. The cost of your meal includes the food itself, the cook, the server, the busboy, the dishwasher, the building, utilities, taxes, licenses, and, hopefully, a small profit for the owner. Again hopefully, volume will ensure they get to stay in business a little longer. You're not just paying for the food, you're paying for the convenience as well. Hmmmm..I sort of got off the tip topic but it's important to remember that the server may not be the only one responsible for your unhappy dining experience. As for the wine thing. Anyone who accepts the bait and switch without voicing their displeaure at the shady practice souldn't complain about it later. The time to complain is when it happened. And as for not wanting to feel like a cheapskate asking what the substitute bottle costs? If you got bait and switched in retail you'd ask..why not at a restaurant. All you'd have to ask is "Is this bottle the same price as the one we ordered." Too many people (me included) tend to leave a restaurant unhappy and the owner/manager never knows why you didn't come back. You can't fix what you're not aware of. My Dad was fond of saying "J Paul Getty always brown bagged his lunch". I don't know if he did or not, or if he did it for convenience rather than savings, but it makes a good story to tell kids (and adults) that being cautious with your money isn't restricted to the ones of us with, shall we say, less income. Expecting value for your money isn't being a cheapskate. posted by
anonymous
on Sep 15, 2006 at 08:34 AM
I've worked in restaurants and that was MY choice. If people want to make more than minimum wage, they should work somewhere else. Depending on tips to survive is not something I wanted to do so I chose a different job. People work on commission all the time and that's THEIR choice. It's about choices here. If servers want more money, ask for a raise. I don't want to be made to pay for lousy service. I'll decide what to give as a tip. Actually, here's their tip: GET A LIFE!
posted by
CurtDalton
on Sep 16, 2006 at 03:50 PM
I will agree to mandatory tips when restaurant management gurantees MANDATORY exceptional service from their staff. posted by
anonymous
on Sep 20, 2006 at 05:14 PM
Why should people have to leave tips at all? Does the worker who helps you load your car at home depot get tipped? The guy who stocks the shelves at the grocery store, the pg&e meter reader, the Police officer? I have a tip for all you people who rely on tips. Get an education, and you won't have to worry about being left a tip for doing a job you're already getting paid an hourly wage to do.
posted by
jbryant
on Sep 21, 2006 at 10:06 AM
Tips should be given when EXCEPTIONAL service is rendered -- they're getting paid to serve you correctly, it's their job requirement, why should we be required to pay them on top of that if they don't deserve it?
posted by
anonymous
on Sep 25, 2006 at 10:12 AM
I'm just tired of people complaining about their wages when they CHOSE that job. I've never taken a job that I didn't know my pay up front. I agree with anon about getting an education. But to all of those who don't have a "college" education, there is still hope. There are tons of good paying jobs and you don't need a degree.
posted by
ProgressivePete2
on Sep 25, 2006 at 10:14 AM
posted by
chanddi
on Oct 1, 2006 at 01:08 PM
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